Just IGNORE Joe Biden and all the rest of them

[TonyMontana]

Look, I know it's annoying. Joe Biden just told progressives and liberals to "stop whining". Obama did something somewhat similar recently. A whole bunch of Democrats are consistently insulting their base and I know it's a pain.

I'm pleading with everybody: Just ignore it. Save the Democrats from themselves. Please. I think Michael Moore said this on CNN or something the other day. The Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot by disenfranchising their base, but if the Republicans take back Congress it's just completely and totally OVER.

The people have to take charge. I know there's no leadership. Reid is a wuss. They're pretty much all clueless. We all know this. IGNORE IT. Don't let your emotions cloud your judgment.

Get out there and vote in November and get out there and help out and get out there to convince everybody to keep the teabaggers from taking power. It's awful that the Democrats can be so utterly incompetent when it comes to politicking, but there is nothing, I repeat, nothing worse than having the GOP take back power.

Nothing.

So ignore them and do what you have to do to ensure that Democrats don't lose Congress! Save them from themselves.

Please.

[ibegurpard]

1. rec

first post of this sort I can actually agree with

[leftstreet]

2. Vote for Democrats, force them to retain their majority!

That'll get em whining!

[laughingliberal]

3. I'll be there to vote for Reid in November.

But all the liberal bashing by this administration is not making it easy. The worst part, for me, is that I take the constant insults and Biden's 'quit whining' statement to mean they think they've adequately represented us and have no plan to move left on anything.

[molly77]

22. A facebook friend who grew up in Yugoslavia

has said that Tito under communism had more freedom than US and Great Britain leaders at the present time. Does anybody else wonder why there is so much anger directed at democrats from the WH ? And one of the smartest happiest campaigners for president turned into a grumpy hateful neocon overnight? Yes our drones are killing innocents in Pakistan..war crimes.None of the war criminals from the previous administration have been prosecuted? In fact, it is quite the opposite . Democrats are having it rougher than republicans in our so called courts of law.

TARP is fascism. We are not allowed to know where the tax revenues went. Why do we hate to say the word? Too awful?

[Lint Head]

4. Vote Democrat and hold their feet to the fire. If Obama wins another four years

I will be the fly in the ointment until we have Medicare for all and DADT is history.

[gateley]

5. I think he and Obama have a good point - too many people ARE whining and

not DOING anything.

Many of us here agree with what you say, many others 'out there' don't. We know what to do and we're doing it.

Don't tell me who or who not to ignore, please.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. Is that all it takes to "insult" us?

Jeeze! And I thought the Teabaggers were thin-skinned!

As far as I'm concerned, Joe Biden can say anything he likes. He's completely okay with hearing anything WE have to say, and if he's not, then aliens have abducted the Joe Biden I have come to know and love. That's how Democrats are supposed to be.

Remember: Anyone genteel enough to refrain from telling us to "stop whining" is going to be too genteel to accuse buffoons of rhetoric like "a noun, a verb, and 9-11".

--d!

[ZombieHorde]

7. Sigh, you're right. I don't like it, but you're right. nt

[The_Commonist]

8. That's what I tend to do.

I used some colorful language towards the Vice-President on another thread, which got deleted.
But generally, I just ignore this shit.

Look folks, the Dems are TRYING to fuck this up, so that they go back to a place where they're more comfortable, as the semi-vocal minority. Just like Republicans don't want to govern (they want to rule!), neither do the Democrats. They are more comfortable... whining? If they have clear, bullet-proof majorities, then they might actually have to deliver. "Bi-partisanship" (or the lack thereof) gave them an excuse not to deliver, and being even more powerless is where they prefer to be.

Why?

Because the Democratic party is just as much a Corporatist party as the Republican party. There is no "left" and "right." Only "up" and "down." The illusion of choice. It's the same illusion you see in the supermarket every day. A thousand different boxes of detergent, but they all do pretty much the same thing. 57 channels and nothing's on.

I like the idea of Dems voting in droves to force their feet to the fire. Then we will see their true colors. And I think those colors are mostly yellow and green...

[BzaDem]

9. He did NOT tell progressives to stop whining. He directed his comments at a small subset.

He expressly limited his comments to a subset of the Democratic party, which he specifically said was not the "core" of the base.

Here is what he ACTUALLY said:

"Yes. What I think -- what I mean by -- there's some on the Democratic base, not the core of it, that are angry because we didn't get every single thing they want. We've got a health care bill that is becoming -- every day it will become more apparent how much it does for people and businesses in terms of cost and availability. But because there was no public option, some of them are so angry, they say, we're not going to participate. They should stop that."

To the extent Biden was directing his comments to people who said they wouldn't participate (which he was), Biden is COMPLETELY correct. He was NOT making a blanket attack on liberals and progressives (of which a vast majority approve of the Healthcare bill and wouldn't dream of not participating in the election).

[Johonny]

24. this subset likes to type on computers and post blogs though

Once again the White House needs to be smarter. Unless they know something I don't. It's always possible this talking point polls well with core dems, even if it does badly with computer users. Since their goal is to get the youth out, I'm thinking that's unlikely and they really need to turn liberal voters anger on the Republicans and not each other. Although eating their own is what the Democratic party and its voters has been known for, for years and years and years...

[AtomicKitten]

25. Of course he was not making a blanket attack like some here claim.

The drama in this place is surreal. People are actually looking for something, anything to substantiate their ongoing claim that the leftwing is being targeted.

Joe Biden said no such thing yet people here are adept at putting words-in-mouth with virtually no scrutiny and no concern as to whether it's true or not.

Thanks for giving a shit about the truth.

[nc4bo]

10. Fully intend to do just that but doesn't mean I'm going to STFU...

nor does it stop me from punching every fricking one of them trash talkers in the mouth (no worries, it's my imagination needing some entertainment).

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[BzaDem]

12. Biden is not referring to the people you speak of.

He is specifically referring to people who decide not to participate because of Democrats not enacting some specific policy (such as the public option). These people by and large follow politics closely.

[yodermon]

13. oh, good to know.

will that qualification make it into the sound-bites?
in other words

"There's a big election coming up, and our base is apparently not energized, so let me publicly take a dump on a certain subset of these disenchanted Democrats, trusting that the Rank & File of disenchanted Dems will fully understand that i wasn't really talking about *them*, gosh no."

very bizarre strategy, i don't get it.

Unless, like I said, they're just setting the stage for some good old fashioned scapegoating after we lose.

[Arkana]

17. Gasp! Joe Biden is relying on the Democratic base

having a higher intellect than that of the GOP's base. Shock, awe, amazement.

[The_Commonist]

14. I agree with what you say here.

"They are prepping the stage for losing.
They don't want the responsibility of governing.
They have their convenient scapegoats prepped & waiting.

I'll vote & campaign for them, but really, just fuck em."

Exactly.
And we are all being played for suckers.

[leftstreet]

15. +100000

Well said

[MadHound]

16. Yes, please vote for those that insult you and take you for granted.

Better yet, in the case of teachers, anti-war folks, the LGBT community, civil libertarians, etc. vote for those who don't have your best interests at heart.

Please, save the party that thinks you suck.

[Chulanowa]

18. I've been here expressing support for the party through thick and thin

I've tried to explain "real" issues from "wish" issues. I've explained the continuation of operations in Afghanistan. And I have been flamed like a pig at a luau for it all.

if the Democratic party is going to join in and perpetuate the attacks on public education i nthis country... then seriously, that's it for me. I can handle a lot of disappointment. Honestly, I realize what politics is. However, Education is the absolute keystone. I can swallow my bile at health care reform being less than stellar. I can bite back my anger at my fellow men and women being treated as second-class citizens, so long as there is some progress towards relieving their segregation.

But take away education, and it collapses. Everything. Crumbles down on our heads and leaves us in absolute ruins. Nothing else will matter. Identity politics? irrelevvant. health care? Who cares? economic reform? No. Education is vital to absolutely everything we have and if the Democrats are going to hold hands with the right to take that away, then I cannot support that, and I cannot support them. I may be a "loyalist" or a "cheerleader" or an "Obamabot" or any number of other things that people have called me, but i fucking will not vote to destroy my home just because of a party name.

[BlackHoleSon]

19. Amen!

This attack on teachers has been a real "You cannot be serious" moment for me.
It does appear that the Administration has every intention of holding "hands with the right" to destroy public eucation in order to save it from the teachers, those evildoers.

[TBF]

21. They don't want educated workers - they cost too much. nt

[TonyMontana]

23. I don't disagree with you...

But do you think the Republicans will do anything for education?

I know it's tough to vote for Democrats when they're essentially pissing all over their base these days, but hold your nose and do it. And maybe someday during the primaries some of these toxic Democrats can be taken out.

If the conservatives can put teabaggers in their party, why can't liberals replace the DINOs in the Democratic party?

[TBF]

20. Yes people do need to take charge -

and I am not talking about voting.

[dionysus]

26. thus spoke the internet revolutionary.

:rofl:

[SargeUNN]

27. Ignore is stupid

You don't ignore the ones you need to win over. You keep communicating and working with them because you can damn sure bet you won't be able to get anything good from the Repukes. Don't be so thin skinned and be a fighter not a quitter. Such post as saying they won't vote is a vote for Republicans and truthfully we do whine and don't follow up. Look at all the post I made about Banished Veterans and only one person here has emailed one of them. So what excuses you have for that whiners, too damn hard to email them and get to learn how to help? No we do have quitter and whiners and when we stop it and go to work we might actually have a stronger voice.