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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:40 AM
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White Women Dump the Dems
White Women Dump the Dems
by Linda Hirshman


Democrats are losing white women support. According to Gallup polling data exclusive to The Daily Beast, white women are deserting the Democratic Party in droves. Linda Hirshman on where the PUMAs are heading.

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It’s the independent women (21 percent!) and the Democratic women (24 percent) who aren’t revved up about the coming midterms.

Exclusive data prepared at The Daily Beast’s request sheds some light. Gallup conducted its regular weekly survey of 1,750 adults (1,500 registered voters)—then, for the period between August 1 and September 22, ran the data controlling for race and gender. The result: A dismal 27 percent of white female registered voters expressed excitement about the contest, compared to 36 percent of black men and women and 40 percent of white men. It is fair to say that the white women’s numbers are not depressed by indifference among the almost entirely white Republican women. At least in June, Gallup was finding that the Republican women were the most enthusiastic of the registered female voters. It’s the independent women (21 percent!) and the Democratic women (24 percent) who aren’t revved up about the coming midterms.

Asked to interpret the data, Gallup’s Frank Newport said that “men are more likely to be Republican than women are, and Republicans in general are more enthused than Democrats this year.”

Remember the PUMAs, whose motto was Party Unity My Ass? They were the supposedly angry white women (the horror) so pissed off by Hillary Clinton’s defeat they were going elect John McCain? The PUMAs were sort of lost in the pixie dust storm of the Obama election. I wonder if we declared them an endangered species too soon? There were glimpses that all might not be well with white women in the exit polls even then. Turnout was up in 2008, but white women as a percentage of the electorate shrank a couple of points. The percentage of white men stayed the same, and nonwhites, both men and women, voted in larger percentages in 2008 than 2004. White women vote Republican, just like white men do, but they did give Obama the benefit of the traditional gender gap, supporting him more than the white men did. They didn’t like him nearly as well as they had liked Al Gore, though.

In her indispensable new book about women and the 2008 election, Big Girls Don’t Cry, Rebecca Traister outed me as having a WWHD (What Would Hillary Do) bracelet, which I take out when the White House agrees to exclude women’s abortions from the new high-risk health-care pools or when Michelle Obama takes her Givenchy outfits to the Costa Brava for a little mid-recession respite from gardening. So I cannot help thinking that there are a lot of other women who responsibly voted for the Democrat hoping for the best but who were not firmly attached to the whole undertaking.

Well, who needs white women anyway? They haven’t broken Democratic in years. A big piece of the “gender gap” for the Democrats is because the category “women voters” is more nonwhite than the men are, and nonwhites vote heavily Democratic. So the gender gap is partly a race/gender gap. The rest of the gender gap is due to white men’s robust fealty to the Republican Party. Although white women do not vote Republican in such large numbers as men do, in 2008 Barack Obama would have won the popular vote, even if the white women had voted exactly the same as their white male counterparts. He held his losses with the pale males to 41 percent, and the huge majorities among nonwhite voters did the rest.

Here’s why white women matter. Pundits like the authors of The Emerging Democratic Majority predict that a growing nonwhite population—combined with the clear-sighted fealty of the big-brained voters of the postindustrial economy (read, young white guys in chinos) and the conventional gender gap—means that Republicans would soon lose their electoral dominance. But the 2010 election seems to indicate their predictions were either wrong or way premature. Obama’s majorities were probably more anomalous than transformative: a fragile coalition of marginally less rabid white men, a few more dutiful white women, and overwhelming nonwhite support.

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More at:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-27/democrats-losing-support-of-white-women-gallup-poll-data/?om_rid=MMBIx0&om_mid=_BMod3IB8U8xxAe
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:42 AM
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1. No more polls
nt
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:43 AM
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2. "dutiful white women"
I see. So those of us white women who support Obama and the Dems are merely dutiful, brainless dolts. Nice. Thanks for posting. Really appreciate the insights. Gosh where did I leave my pearls??

Julie--with a WTF on the sexist bullshit
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:59 AM
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10. I'm a black woman. Thought it was an interesting take worthy of discussion.
I think we do ourselves a disservice - as Democrats - to just dismiss some realities out of hand. The administration's lack of support of abortion rights in the healthcare plan, the assault on teachers...all this may be having an accumulative effect on an important Democratic demographic.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:13 AM
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27. I wonder if you'd feel the same if
the term "uppity black women" was in place of "dutiful white women".

But hey, if it's an anti-Obama/anti-Dem post it might be ok, you know, for the cause, right?

Julie
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:25 AM
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15. I'll second that, JNelson, and I have a wiener.
It certainly is sexist bullshit, and quite a few wheel barrows full of it, too.

There are quite a few white folks in Iowa. My guess is about half of them are women. My guess is a majority of them gave Barack Obama a win in the Iowa Democratic primary in 2008 and voted for him in the general election in November, too.

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:43 AM
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3. poll after poll after poll after poll....horseshit
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:45 AM
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4. Please. I'm not going anywhere. nt
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:46 AM
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5. The "Independents" don't really give a sh-t anyway, and will stay home in droves.
This election will be all about GOTV and mobilization (and morale) of the party base, which is the norm for off-year Congressional races, anyway.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:24 AM
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24. This is interesting in a way..but saying Michelle wears Givenchy...destroyed her creds
somewhat. Also, felt there was a bit of a racist tone... and cheerleading over numbers that might not be quite what they seem in interpretation.



Just my opinion.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:31 AM
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29. But, at least she looks good in Givenchy. Can't hold that against her
particularly after two kids. But, they'll try, and their underlying racism always creeps in.

As for the numbers. Time will tell.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:50 AM
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6. Bullshit
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 07:51 AM by lunatica
I'm a white woman and I'm in the age group of the teabaggers too. Yet miraculously I'm a lifelong Democrat and still intelligent.

This is hogwash.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:52 AM
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7. That much bullshit will fertilize a pretty big garden.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:54 AM
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8. Ha!
:rofl:
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:54 AM
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9. I'm certainly not "excited", but I'm certainly going to do my best to keep the GOP
out of power...I'm not thrilled by my party's actions, but I despise the opposition's craziness and their "plan" for MY COUNTRY!

And I agree, polls are bullshit - lies, damn lies and statistics...



mark
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:01 AM
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11. I'm old, I don't do "excited." What I do is GOTV and urge others to do the same...n/t
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speppin Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:04 AM
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12. She makes of point of saying that this cohort are NOT breaking Republican...

With the 'year of the Republican women" mantra, lets hope they do NOT!--yet staying home may be enough to make a difference? The thought is scary!


............Indeed, the Democrats still have a last-ditch chance to attract the crucial margin of white female voters. Since women poll as more concerned with childrens’ issues than men do, the recent activation of health care for children would be a good start. And Newport, the Gallup editor, says that all the disaffection with the Democrats among white women doesn’t necessarily mean a boon for the GOP. “We don’t see a change in the generic ballot,” he says. “That is, women aren’t suddenly moving toward Republican candidates. Our latest numbers show women 11 points in the Democrats’ favor and men 11 points in the Republicans’ favor. Republicans haven’t brought women into their camp.”

But time flies. The white women didn’t boycott the election of 2008 as some hyperventilating commentators predicted. But if the Gallup polls are right, the Democrats may get a chance to see what it’s like to run for office when women are staying home..........
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:20 AM
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13. Maybe white women do not like "fake' Republican policies.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:24 AM
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14. Ok,I'm a white woman with an Iraq war veteran son
I honestly can not believe democratic women of any ethnicity are leaving "In Droves"...this is more bantering from the right to split us.They are hoping we will stay home,and they will win by default.screw them...I'll be there,and I'm driving a few others there as well.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:38 AM
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18. With you on that one.
Not going anywhere.
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rainlillie Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:34 AM
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16.  Hey Ladies, let's all run over to the side that opposes abortions in cases of rape and incest.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:38 AM
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17. absolutely-they shouldn't have dressed so provocatively.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:04 PM
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31. I'm not sure... is it considered ladylike to run? Better check with Emily Post.
:sarcasm:
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 09:55 AM
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19. i only skimmed this but it sounds awfully rw to me.
also, it says that there is less enthusiasm for dems among white women, not that they are fleeing to repubs. well, i'm not enthusiastic about where we are but i damn well WILL vote . . . for dems.

ellen fl
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:10 AM
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22. I will Vote for Dems, too
As I have for years. The last Republican I voted for was Eisenhower, and he was a Dem by today's standards.
But when do we decide enough is enough? How far will the Dems in office have to go before there is a backlash? I didn't fight for women's rights and women's issues to have the DEMS crush them. We don't want to appear to have too much in common with those abused women who, after receiving what seems to be a heartfelt apology from the guy who kicked the SH** kicked out of them, forgives and goes back to the status quo, hoping the kicking bout is over.

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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:05 PM
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32. Sounds like wall-to-wall talking points. Someone's not so sure about the election, after all. n/t
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:06 AM
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20. I don't believe this. what the puzzle is: why would any woman vote


for a repug.?

guess its not so much a puzzle. the women are religiously insane.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:07 AM
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21. Bullshit.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:13 AM
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23. Blazing Saddles redux?


White Women? Come on.

Governor William J. Le Petomane:

We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!
with this kind of written tripe.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:28 AM
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25. This would have been PUMA garbage analysis in 2008, and it is PUMA analysis now
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 10:33 AM by karynnj
I love her description of my husband and me - he must be a "marginally less rabid white man", while I am a dutiful white woman. Interesting that this means that all the women for Republicans are suddenly more liberated than those of us who still support Obama. As to my husband, the fact is that he is not the least bit rabid.

It also seems very premature to claim that white women are moving away from Obama. I would be willing to bet the gender gap - even limited to whites only will be in Obama's favor. Her analysis on the change of the percentage of the electorate represented by white women is idiotic. Percentages have to add to 100%. 2008 had a large jump in the actual number of people who voted - as did 2004. This meant that groups which typically had very high turnout percentages would see their % lower - not because fewer of them - or even a lower percentage of them - voted, but because other demographic groups increased their participation more. (Also, it is typical to compare to the last election - which is why I suspect she chose 2000, where turnout was much lower rather than 2004, when it had already greatly increased.)

My experience is that if a convoluted statistic is used (the % white women are of the electorate) rather than the obvious, easy statistic (the % turnout of white women), someone is working hard to deceive. Note how what she then speaks is the % turnout of white women, not their relative weight in the voting population.

I wonder if Hillary Clinton is as sick of the PUMAs and their obsession as I am!

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:32 AM
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26. Oh, please--this comment stood out to me: "...indispensable new book about women..."
Fornicate that fecal matter directly where it is positioned.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:19 AM
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28. PUMAs?
2008 called. It wants its three-news-cycle acronym back. :eyes:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:31 AM
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30. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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