LA breaks all time heat record

[greenman3610]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/27/los-angeles-heat-wave-bak_n_740936.html

LOS ANGELES — California's blistering fall heat wave sent temperatures to an all-time record high of 113 degrees Monday in downtown Los Angeles, and many sought refuge at the beach or in the shade.

Downtown hit 113 degrees for a few minutes at about 12:15 p.m., breaking the old all-time record of 112 degrees set on June 26, 1990, said Stuart Seto, a weather specialist at the National Weather Service office in Oxnard. Temperature records for downtown date to 1877.

[arbusto_baboso]

1. But there's no such thing as climate change.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

[Statistical]

3. Isn't that about as dubious as freepers saying record snow is a sign global warming is fake.

Global warming is very small. The IPCC conclusion is that mean surface temperature of the earth has increased 1.33 (+/- 0.32) degrees in the 20th century.

A heat wave is no more proof of climate change than a snowstorm is a rebuttal.

[arbusto_baboso]

4. Indeed so, but you'll hear the Freepers completely silent right now about this, won't you?

But climate change is REAL, and warming is only a part of it.

The violent rain activity in the Eastern US right now? That's part of it. Global Climate Change (calling it Global Warming is inaccurate and fails to describe it in entirety) means bigger and more EXTREMES in weather.

[Cetacea]

5. It IS getting warmer, though.

There has been a steady incline in record breaking yearly temperatures over the past decade or so. And if I'm not mistaken, winters have been getting generally milder despite extreme cold spells.

[Statistical]

7. It IS getting warmer. However It is ~1 degree warmer compared to a century ago.

That being said anyone who claims to "feel" global warming on a hot day is fooling themselves.

The earth's mean temperature has increased ~1 degree in last century not large enough to be noticeable by an individual (which is part of the problem w/ convincing the general public).

I am just saying making dubious claims linking every hurricane, heat wave, or tornado to GW does more harm than good. What is good for the goose is good for the gander right? If those supporting the theory of Global Warming use those tactics it legitimizes them and then those who refute it will do the same thing. Even snowstorm, mild summer, fierce winter becomes proof the earth ISN'T warming.

[Cetacea]

8. I agree.

In my own observations over the decades I've watched frozen lakes disappear and southern birds take up residence in the north. I have made a habit of asking older people how the weather has changed since they were children and the answers are always the same, ie, "it wasn't like this when I was growing up".

[greenman3610]

22. statistical - you are correct, weather is not climate

however -
2010 is shaping up to be the hottest year in the modern record.
We already had the hottest 12 consecutive months globally, from
may 09 to may '10. (per NASA)
http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/03/nasa-giss-james-hansen-study-global-warming-record-hottest-year/
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2010july/



this is in spite of the sun having the lowest solar minimum in a century.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/03sep_sunspots/

when we had large snowstorms during the winter, you saw it all over the news
that "global warming has stopped", in spite of the fact that globally, those
months were some of the warmest ever.

See my recent videos on the topic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLnJttkhDTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMA9D-ZWwrg

[slackmaster]

13. Easy there, Southern California had the coolest summer on record since 1933

And the temperatures in San Diego in general weren't really any higher than September 27, 1963 which I remember well.

[kestrel91316]

16. The whole summer was bizarre extremes - mostly 20-30F COOLER

than normal in our area. So to break a heat rocord just proves the point about climate change: WORSE EXTREMES.

[arbusto_baboso]

19. Which is actually MORE evidence of climate change.

Read a little bit, it'll do you good. You're obviously not up on what climate change actually means.

[slackmaster]

20. How condescending of you

I'm very well informed about climate change. I was just pointing out that Southern California had an unusually cool summer, which is actually a result of unusually high temperatures inland.

You should read up on the concepts of "thermal low" and "coastal eddy".

[arbusto_baboso]

21. Sorry, dude, but I've followed your posts for awhile now.

I'm not being condescending, I'm merely describing you accurately. Not surprising you can't handle it.

[slackmaster]

23. Your post is condescending, arrogant, and just plain rude

:hi:

[kwassa]

2. September and October can be the hottest times of the year there

after a cool and foggy summer, from what people are saying.

[Cetacea]

6. The summer was totally abnormal.

I was waiting for the obligatory "it's normal this time of year" post. :)

[kwassa]

10. Summer was abnormal here on the east coast, too.

We had 99 degrees last Friday in Washington, D.C. Right now we are tied for the most number of 90+ degree days in a year

All time record for that date; we've never hit that temp after September 9th.

It is, however, pretty normal in LA for May and June to have cool foggy weather, with the onshore flow. I lived on the west side for 17 years. I remember a heat record set on October 1st.

[Cetacea]

12. Consecutive 90+ days in DC.

Do you know how many their were? The last I heard was when when it was at thirty.

[lolly]

9. It is usually very hot in Sept/Oct

That's the Fire Season.

It was unusual to see it hotter in downtown LA than in the Valley.

And August was unusually cool--we often have June Gloom that might stretch into July, but this year was the coolest August I can remember.

[left coaster]

18. Only by a few degrees, and due to the nature of an offshore event..

It pretty much kills the temperature moderating influence of the ocean, except along the actual coast.. and then that's only ten or so degrees cooler than inland, during one of these events.

[lolly]

24. It's usually 8-10 degrees cooler, though

That was the point.

When it's 110 in the valley, it's usually 98-99 in downtown LA.

This time it was reversed, that's what seemed particularly weird.

[left coaster]

15. Yeah, September and even October, can be downright wicked..

As a kid, growing up in So Cal, I always felt cheated when "autumn" rolled around.. except for shorter days, and cooler nights, it often didn't feel much different than summer..

[Fleshdancer]

11. Meanwhile, I'm in Texas and in need of a sweatshirt. Very weird.

I've never experienced a summer like this in Austin before. It was very wet. It's late September and the grass is still green! There are actual mushrooms growing in my yard...no smurfs though.

Not complaining of the TX heat in September makes me very uneasy.

[kestrel91316]

14. Downtown was hotter than the west San Fernando Valley! Normally

when we get these godawful heat waves, we are 15F HOTTER than downtown. This has been a really weird summer altogether.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. I'm Here On Business. I Was NOT Expecting This

I've been lots of times. Been here in late September/early October before. Never experienced this. 100+ after the start of autumn?

It's freaking hot here!!!

Added: Guy i talked to lives in Riverside. He said it was 110 on Saturday and Sunday. 108 yesterday.
GAC

[The Straight Story]

25. Really? All time in the history of the earth? Wow. (nt)