Biden was not totally wrong and here is why I feel that way

[SargeUNN]

You know I read these comments about Biden's statement and I think about what I have seen from our progressive community and truthfully I think those so upset needs to evaluate where they really are. Let's look at the record a bit and see if we can justify our insulted feeling. Some are working hard, doing everything they can to move toward the country we want, going to town halls, going to their Senators or Reps. office or at least calling, and to those keep it up you are the ones that will eventually make the difference. To the ones who gripe and sit on their rear ends just complaining about what they don't like, you are part of the problem. You don't get active and feel insulted you need to get in the game and maybe you won't feel so bitter.

I have put myself out there during the Katrina Failure even to the point I had to leave my home because there was those trying to kill me. Haley Barbour had to cancel an eviction notice to about 300 people because of me and he let the corporate friends know who caused them not to be able to steal the property for their profit. I have fought for our causes and even tried to help give us a strong progressive radio network after Nova M went under. I came here asked you to tune in and a few did but many didn't. I told you of the banished veterans on several post and my show, so far only one person has bothered to follow up.

So maybe these are the ones Biden was talking about and if they don't get busy they will see we never get where we want because they are whiners and quitters.

[dionysus]

1. kr

[Monique1]

4. I agree

You worked hard for the people but there was lack of support. My observation was people wanted someone to do the work for them but didn't want to give. I am not talking money, I am talking support.

[guruoo]

2. k&r nt

[MadHound]

3. Most folks I know on the left are pretty politically active,

The don't sit and gripe. Nor were they expecting miracles, ponies or unicorns. But they weren't expecting to be attacked either, and this is what this administration has done in many cases. Look at teachers, the Obama administration has launched an all out attack on teachers and public education. Hard to get enthused for the very people who are making your life miserable. This is a pattern that has been repeated throughout the left.

We used to laugh at those on the right who voted against their own interests, thinking them fools. Now, many people on the left are finding themselves in the same position. If you are a teacher, anti-war, LGBT, civil libertarian and others, you are looking at the distinct possibility of voting against your own self interests.

In this situation, screaming that the right is worse is not the answer. People with no logical voting choices are simply going to give up and not vote, not make that choice between the lesser of two evils. Instead, they'll sit down and sit out the election.

If you want the Dems to win, they have to do two things, stop attacking their base, and actually do something for the people. It's a bit late for either of those options, which is why the party finds itself in this position. Chickens coming home to roost.

[SargeUNN]

7. ok here is a question for you

Did you read my threads I started on Banished Veterans? If you didn't would you like to and become part of helping these people?

I think we have many here at DU that do work hard but we have those who come here post gripes and do nothing. We got to try to light a fire under these or expose them for what they are because they are a problem. I had a team I coached once where I had an asst. coach that did nothing but gripe and when asked for advice they said "Whatever" and offered nothing. They slowed down the team and finally I fired them. The team won the championship. That is what we need on our side, those who will fight and realize no admin. is going to do everything we want, but the one that is going to do more to get there we have to support. We can't quit because the other side won't and we will just lose what gains we have made.

I don't like all this admin. has done but progress has been made and we fight and keep active while trying to improve the Democratic Party is the right way since the Republicans won't move us forward, and no 3rd party is going to get enough power to be of much value. We got to be reality based and realize we have to build not expect it to happen all at once.

[Frustratedlady]

5. Amen! n/t

[county worker]

6. We should find other descriptive words. Stop using "whiners" and "quitters."

Using those words are just as destructive as not voting in Nov. You are turning people against one another when we need to pull together.

You do none of us a service with your post.

Say what you mean but use positive words. Instead of "whiners" you could have said, "those who are disappointed with the progress of the administration so far." Instead of "quitters" you could have said, "those who are discouraged and feel like dropping out."

We need to stop attacking each other and pull together or it is the repubs in power again and you are helping their cause with your negative descriptors.

[SargeUNN]

8. but if the shoe fits

face it we do have people these terms define exactly. If they are offended then maybe they should get off their butts and not be one of them. I see no use in pampering them and their actions are quitters and if they continue to gripe and do nothing then they are whiners. The choice is theirs to get active or frankly I could not care less if they are offended since they are slowing progress by not getting into the fight.

[county worker]

19. You completely missed the point.

Calling people names will not get you what you are after.

So why the hell do it! On a scale of 1 to 10 if they are a 10 you are right up there with them in my opinion if you are measuring the help you are giving the other side.

Division is always on their side.

[SargeUNN]

9. isn't it strange

how none of the "insulted ones" that this post is directed to can't defend their apathy? Folks these people are the enemy and we must not let them help put the Republicans back in power. If you aren't happy with Obama, fine because he has had failures just as he has had successes, but we got to work with him and certainly let him know what we won't. Threatening to not vote though is a fool's way because that only says I am giving up. I talk to the White House, I talk to both Republicans and Democrats in the congress and refuse to let my vote go uncast. A 3rd party isn't going to get strong enough to be the answer so we have work within the Democratic Party because we certainly can't work through the Republicans. If you want change you have to be part of it and crying about not getting enough change without working for it is a waste and useless.

[Dr.Phool]

13. I filled out my absentee ballot this morning.

And, as veteran of several campaigns, including one of my own, I can say from experience that sometimes the Democratic Party in Washington and Tallahassee sure make it hard to love them.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

10. Biden was totally right!! K&R!!! n/t

[aquart]

11. You stopped 300 evictions?

That is breathtakingly wonderful.

[SargeUNN]

12. yes but it was the help of listeners that made it possible

Thanks to Mike Malloy, Jeff Farias, Randi Rhodes and others who gave me the voice to have a group to back me, we were able to stop it. I fear today I wouldn't be as successful because too many are more worried about being insulted and wouldn't get into the game. I see the failure to rally people to the plight of banished veterans and yet they get insulted by a statement Biden made that had value. I see how we tried to give a strong Progressive Radio Network only to not get enough support and finally had to give up because the support financially was not there. I would be scared to depend on the Progressive community too much anymore because too many don't stand up anymore. Sad to say it but I am being completely honest.

[aquart]

15. Vote with 'em but don't turn your back on 'em.

I learned that at 17, on my last day of high school.

But I've missed a chapter or a post somewhere because I don't understand the meaning of "banished veterans."

[SargeUNN]

18. Here is a link

I made another post on it to see if anyone would get active on this instead of spending all their time griping about Biden's statement. So far it hasn't drawn much attention which shows where we are. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9216100

[Hekate]

14. Biden is a rare politician in that he doesn't pander. He and Obama are right about the whiners...

Thank you Sarge for everything you have done and are doing. You're the best kind of shirt-sleeves-rolled-up activist, in my book.

Hekate

[librechik]

16. we need to wipe our tears and assume a fighting stance. Coach is mean!

but we can do the job. We can win. We'll show that Biden!

[TonyMontana]

17. Biden is RIGHT. But it's a STUPID THING TO SAY

It's not that he's wrong, it's that politically, he and every other Democrat is simply shooting himself in the foot.

This is not the way to convince liberals to vote in November.

[polmaven]

20. Proud to be Rec #5.

You have stated your point very, very well. Bless you, Sarge - for all you have done, and all I am sure you will continue to do.