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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:28 AM Original message |
Please describe the Mechanism whereby "Stop whining" becomes votes. |
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Aramchek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. as soon as you explain the mechanism where continual whining becomes votes |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. +1 |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. +1...nt |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
51. Perfect logo |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. +1 nt |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
23. are the vast majority of disaffected Dems "whining" about policy positions? |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. +1 |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:46 AM Response to Reply #35 |
52. I beg to differ |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. If "whining" constitues as |
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chimpymustgo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
75. Not. Shutting. Up. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
105. Me. Neither. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. Since the DLC is a different party than the mythical monstrous |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
97. Obviously, fighting for real, substantive issues (Medicare for all, out of Iraqistan, prosecutions), |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. +1 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
116. False comparison. "Stop whining" is a message to voters. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
2. You're right...it's trying to pass the buck, place the blame on the base... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I do not think they want to fail |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. They certainly seemed relieved when Brown won in MA...gave them an |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Says you. |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Right up there with "Make me do it" |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #16 |
56. Yep. "Make me do it" implied we should be activists for the change |
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DemocraticPilgrim (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. At the point where President O'Donnell signs a bill making sex outside marriage illegal. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I can see an Anti-Masturbation amendment to the constitution... |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
87. How many repuke CONgress critters will that bill snare? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
4. I do know the mechanism of Not Voting is Republican Control |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. If they lose a lot of seats, they will say--Our Base stayed home. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
13. If they maintain control- which they probably will, the usual drama queens will STILL find a way |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I think that they look at it as an easy way to get something that costs them little. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:49 AM Response to Reply #13 |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #13 |
58. So if they lose control, it's the liberals' fault, and if they don't lose control |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:30 PM Response to Reply #5 |
107. The answer will be ... |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. As a matter of fact, I was just thinking about this. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. I didn't say that the groups didn't pursue issues. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:35 PM Response to Reply #60 |
95. The FUCK we don't! eom |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. The underlying assumptions behind a lot of whiner posts say otherwise. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
118. let me repeat the last poster..THE FUCK WE DON"T! |
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The Uncola (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 06:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
126. And you sir.... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
94. Advocacy groups pursued the public option and were told it was "fucking retarded" to do so. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Which ones? n/t |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. Happened in Arizona. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. In Chicago, the single-payer folks brought brass knuckles and these stab things and got violent. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
113. Look, I don't care if you don't believe me. I saw it. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. So if it's important, why not find out who's putting an effective campaign together, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
11. The whiners will become loyal voters when the WH starts addressing their issues favorably. |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. I'm pretty sure that the "whiners" are making themselves themselves look too expensive. |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. Proof reading is your friend n/t |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
78. You've got it |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #78 |
100. Wow. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #78 |
109. The independents don't like cowards, period |
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nc4bo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
26. Such a waste the past 2 years have been.. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
43. They could also run on it if they fought for those things and they failed to pass |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. Exactly. I'd be a LOT happier if we'd actually fought for the more |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. No answer? |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
14. k&r n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
15. ... he whined... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
18. Well, first they'd have to come down off that cross... |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. yeah all those poor out-of-work non-political ordinary Dems |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. As if those are the people that we're discussing. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. oh glad that's cleared up. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #41 |
47. If she's not totally fucked in the head.. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. so members of the base who feel insulted are fucked in the head |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. Total shit for brains. Like Obama said, they have no excuse. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
80. LOL. |
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displacedvermoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. You WERE serious in #78 above! |
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emulatorloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
19. You are overthinking it. Stop whining and get to work |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. +1 |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
24. Please describe the mechanism whereby staying home results in repubs not taking over Congress |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. Who is suggesting staying home? |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. The ultimate GMO straw herring. Tasteless AND unhealthy. Yum! nt |
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EstimatedProphet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. That's good. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. The people Biden was talking about. |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #24 |
69. I'd like to hear that too. |
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TonyMontana (237 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. It's not a strategy. You're over thinking it |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
29. The same way "Think Positive Thoughts" works when told to someone whose drowning. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
33. "deforming our good policies until they lack much power to inspire" |
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Gold Metal Flake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
36. It helps to have something to vote for rather than to vote out of fear of a worse outcome. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
90. +1 nt |
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pgodbold (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
39. Our fault. I'm a loser baby so why don't you kill me - Beck |
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Liberal_Stalwart71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
40. You wrote... |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
42. k&r |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
44. Obama's administration telling the left to "stop whining" is a dog-whistle for the right |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. OK, I stand corrected. Your post is actually a rational, probably correct answer. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
82. Few swing-voters attend $30,000 Dem fundraisers |
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CoffeeCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:44 PM Response to Reply #44 |
115. I think this administration... |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
45. It doesn't and they know that. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
46. It's a numbers game |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
57. When you wake up in Rand Paul and Palin's America, I don't |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Skidmore, ITA!! |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. Extremist fear peddling works on repugs |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. So you expect to find support for a left wing/progressie agenda, or |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I'm not willing to take that chance, so I'm getting off my ass and voting. |
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sonomak (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
61. Insults are powerful motivators |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. The thought of the republican extremist being in charge is what motivates me. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. That's what they're counting one |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. Whatever! I'm not sitting this one out. |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
63. Who benefits from the divide that is being created >> |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
67. It won't |
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rainlillie (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
68. At this point I'm suspicious of anyone who encourages Democrat's , and Liberals to sit this one out. |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
70. Well said. It's not a practical strategy. It's a childish attempt to shift blame and silence critics |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
71. When they grow a spine, stand up to the Right wing and stop attacking Democrats |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
74. 70+ replies... |
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Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Yup... funny how that works |
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Jax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #74 |
86. Their only answer is they got theirs |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. That would seem too be so. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Here's an answer: |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
110. I answered the question in #8. n/t |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 12:23 AM Response to Reply #110 |
121. That's about as credible as the "instant conversion" stories in Chick tracts. -nt |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:32 AM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Well, it looks like you're happy with what you've got so |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
77. Avoid attributing to malice... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
79. It works on some people |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
89. It only works on those capable of self-reflection. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
93. Pathetic |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
103. Or perhaps it is just more dog whistles to the right |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #79 |
117. Then I'm writing a letter to Daddy. n/t |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:08 PM Response to Reply #79 |
119. I am much older than Obama and I don't need a daddy, he would not qualify ! |
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The Uncola (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 07:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
127. I hope for Obama's sake... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
91. Similar to the mechanism whereby "Americans are lazy!" leads to support for immigration reform. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
101. Well you see the Ds in charge think that having a spine against their base |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
102. Easy: it wins votes from centrists who are worried the Obama is too far left. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #102 |
111. Except that the data and the electoral history demostrates that assertion to be false |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 02:19 AM Response to Reply #111 |
122. What data? N.T. |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 11:18 PM Response to Reply #102 |
120. oh yeah and those centrists are lining up to vote dem..what world are some of you in? |
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Techn0Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
112. I was promised a pony ... but they only delivered horseshit. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
123. Still waiting for the description I see... |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
124. It doesn't. It never has and it never will. But that isn't the reason they're doing it either. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-29-10 02:59 AM Response to Original message |
125. Cause they know the left left aren't voting republican no mattter what |
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