when I learned what a Baron was

[ensho]

I was born in 1935 and grew up with a large book of the life and times before 1935. the name of it is hiding on the tip of my tongue, sorry. think it had to do with etchings.

part of the book was political cartoons. the cartoons showed a Baron as dressed in a black suit, wearing a black top hat, having a big belly and smoking a large, fat cigar.

that book and those cartoons must be somewhere still. wish they could be used again so everyone can see them. this was back when they had the slogan 'Tipacanoe and Tyler too', etc.

sadly to say but the neo cons have bought Barons back in vogue.

our country got rid of them once. we can do it again. we must do it again.

[HillbillyBob]

1. I think you are talking about a book of

Thomas Nasts Political cartoons from the NY Sun Times in the mid 1800s, from what I remember from 8th grade social studies/civics. He published in Harpers Weekly and London illustrated news

His toons helped to bring down Boss Tweeds Tammany Hall bunch.

I see the unrec a&&es have been here.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast

He published in Harpers and NY illustrated news I am mistaken as to the news paper. He was an opponents of Horace Greeley too.

"Notable works
Nast's Santa Claus on the cover of the January 3, 1863, issue of Harper's Weekly.

Nast's depiction of iconic characters, such as Santa Claus and Uncle Sam, are widely credited with giving us the recognized versions we see today.

* A classic version of Santa Claus, drawn in 1863 for Harper's Weekly. Before then, most depictions of Santa Claus showed a tall, thin man. Nast drew him as the bearded, plump man known today.
* Republican Party elephant<13>
* Democratic Party donkey
* Tammany Hall tiger, a symbol of Boss Tweed's political machine
* Columbia, a graceful image of the Americas as a woman, usually in flowing gown and tiara, carrying a sword to defend the downtrodden.
* Uncle Sam, a lanky image of the United States (first drawn in the 1830s; Nast and John Tenniel added the goatee).
* John Confucius, a variation of John Chinaman, a traditional caricature of a Chinese Immigrant.
* The Fight at Dame Europa's School, 1871

[ensho]

4. thanks for this info but its not the bk. - was long name think started

with a W. they made etchings.

[HillbillyBob]

6. Was it a book of all cartoons or was there a lot of text

I'm curious. I would like to see them.
I remember a bunch that were in a book with text..my grandparents had it and they sold a bunch of the house hold stuff while I was away in the navy.
140 yrs of stuff collected in closets and attics. I was about 6 when I saw it and did not know what it was. I could read, but not well at that time.
It might do to circulate them again.
I found a wiki article about Matthew Josephson who wrote a book called The Robber Barons1934. I don't know what kind of book it was though. Looks like he wrote mostly political stuff.

[ensho]

10. yes, lots of text - political songs, etc. plus non political stuff

I keep thinking of the Witman's chocolate box design in relation to the name of the book. it wasn't Witman but the design.

[HillbillyBob]

5. After looking at his toons they are not the fat Robber Barons

that I thought... he drew.
Here is a list of those called Robber Barons

* John Jacob Astor (real estate, fur) – New York City

* Andrew Carnegie (steel) - Pittsburgh and New York
If I recall Mellon Scaife is a descendant of AC
.
* Jay Cooke (finance) – Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

* Charles Crocker (railroads) - California

* Daniel Drew (finance) – New York state

* James Buchanan Duke (tobacco) – near Durham, North Carolina
Now part of the Reynolds Tobacco empire

* James Fisk (finance) – New York state

* Henry Morrison Flagler (railroads, oil, the Standard Oil company) – New York City and Palm Beach, Florida

* Henry Clay Frick (steel) – Pittsburgh and New York City

* John Warne Gates (steel)

* Jay Gould (railroads)

* Edward Henry Harriman (railroads) – New York state<6>
many here will recognize Harriman, his sons went into banking among other things with Prescott Bush whose father Samuel made Railroad parts for Vanderbilt among others.

* Milton S. Hershey (Chocolate)

* Mark Hopkins (railroads) - California

* J. P. Morgan (banking, finance, steel, industrial consolidation) New York City

* Henry B. Plant (railroads) - Florida

* John D. Rockefeller (oil) Standard Oil His descendants actually did some good for the country buying land and donating it to the national park system.

* John D. Spreckels (San Diego transportation, water, media) – San Diego, California

* Leland Stanford (railroads) – Sacramento, California and San Francisco, California

* Cornelius Vanderbilt (railroads)<6>Anderson Cooper is a descendant via Gloria V.

These names are mostly still familiar today.

[el_bryanto]

2. I don't think we got rid of them; we regulated them.

Probably something we should consider doing again.

Bryant

[HillbillyBob]

7. Yes Teddy Rooseveldt and FDR both

kicked em in the pants, broke up the monopolies and enacted regulation.
Hoover was a patsy for them.

[el_bryanto]

8. Hoover gets a bad rap; he wasn't as bad as all that

He was just the wrong man at the wrong time, a good hearted man who reached into his bag of tools and used what had worked before, without realizing that the situation was completely different.

Bryant

[liberal N proud]

3. Probably where Parker Brothers got the idea for this guy

Mr. Monopoly

[felix_numinous]

9. Brings to mind 'Daddy Warbucks' from lil Orphan Annie

these caricatures need an update!