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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:25 PM
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NBC first called today's panel "Does Education Need a Katrina?"
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 12:28 PM by madfloridian
I don't know what they are calling it now.

Leonie Haimson writes about it at Huffington Post.

Education Indoctrination

The latest outrage is the panel discussion scheduled for Tuesday as part of Education Nation, originally entitled, "Does Education Need a Katrina?" Though the name of the panel was changed after protests, it still is being described as a discussion to examine "the advantages to the New Orleans school district of starting over post-Katrina."

When Arne Duncan made a similar statement about New Orleans schools benefiting from Hurricane Katrina, he was roundly and justifiably criticized. Hurricane Katrina killed over a thousand people, and destroyed hundreds of thousands of lives. Since then, the poorest and neediest students have been increasingly concentrated in the New Orleans' public schools, while charter schools are attracting the highest achieving and wealthiest students. This two-tier educational system is a pattern that has been replicated in New York City, Chicago and elsewhere.

NBC either told prominent critics there was "no space" for them to speak on panels (Yong Zhao) or refused to make accommodations to enable them to be included in the live panel (Diane Ravitch). They invited few if any public school parents, and have given up any pretense of providing a fair and balanced presentation of views. The panel on teacher quality will be moderated by Steve Brill, a journalist who has made a second career out of attacking teacher unions and promoting charter schools, in articles full of exaggerated claims and factual errors.


That theme of using a crisis like Katrina is seen through all the rhetoric about failing schools. They have turned it into a crisis in education where none actually exists.

Even Arne got on the bandwagon when he said Katrina was the best thing that happened to New Orleans schools

ABC News' Mary Bruce Reports: Education Secretary Arne Duncan said today that Hurricane Katrina was “the best thing that happened to the education system in New Orleans” because it gave the city a chance to rebuild and improve its failing public schools.

In an interview to air this weekend on “Washington Watch with Roland Martin” Duncan said “that education system was a disaster. And it took Hurricane Katrina to wake up the community to say that we have to do better. And the progress that it made in four years since the hurricane, is unbelievable.”

The Education Department confirmed the quote to ABC and Duncan released the following statement in response: “As I heard repeatedly during my visits to New Orleans, for whatever reason, it took the devastating tragedy of the hurricane to wake up the community to demand more and expect better for their children.”


This reminds me of an introduction to what Kenneth Saltman wrote called Schooling in Disaster Capitalism.

Capitalizing on Disaster in Education

Despite the range of obvious failures of multiple public school privatization initiatives, the privatization advocates have hardly given up. In fact, the privatizers have become far more strategic. The new educational privatization might be termed “back door privatization” (4) or maybe “smash and grab” privatization. A number of privatization schemes are being initiated through a process involving the dismantling of public schools followed by the opening of for-profit, charter, and deregulated public schools. These enterprises typically despise teachers unions, are hostile to local democratic governance and oversight, and have an unquenchable thirst for “experiments”, especially with the private sector. (5) These initiatives are informed by right wing think tanks and business organizations. Four examples that typify back door privatization are 1) No Child Left Behind, 2) Chicago’s


Haimson had a very interesting paragraph about today's panel of Education Nation.

Indeed, the vast majority of panelists appear to have been pre-selected by the Gates and Broad Foundations, Education Nation's co-sponsors, who through spending billions have been subverting democracy and imposing their rigid prescriptions on the nation's urban public schools. NBC has also asked the president of the University of Phoenix to participate, the nation's largest for-profit online chain and yet another co-sponsor, although this institution has been widely criticized for fraudulent practices. As the independent Poynter Institute commented, "it looks like the University of Phoenix bought access" onto the show, which "undermines the credibility of the project." Indeed, it is apparent that for NBC, money rather than real expertise talks.

The same monolithic cast of characters dominate Waiting for Superman, which despite numerous cogent critiques, is likely to draw support from viewers who are otherwise ignorant of the real problems plaguing public education.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:27 PM
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1. the current wealthy dictated, top down education reform IS the Hurricane Katrina
and the financial elite are in for a rude awakening when the public figures out that they are trying to do to their kids what they did to their jobs, mortgages, and pensions.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:28 PM
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2. Why have balanced views?
That won't advance the privatization agenda.

I wonder how many people here who rail against "corporate right-wing media" will have no problem with shutting out half the debate in this instance, because it serves the President's education agenda.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:28 PM
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3. I don't know, but the PNAC thought the country needed a
second Pearl Harbor.

Beware of what you wish for, Arne.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 04:56 PM
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13. A new Pearl Harbor, a new Katrina....
You are so right...they need to be careful what they wish for...indeed.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:29 PM
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4. I think a panel on teacher quality would be helpful to parents and teachers alike.
Good teachers have nothing to fear. A bad teacher can ruin a child's spirit. Evaluations should be fair, but they should also have have consequences. Letting a bad teacher remain in the classroom for decades (and most of us who have children have seen this), is a travesty.
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DrDan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:58 PM
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9. bad teachers can be removed - but it takes effort on the part of the administrators
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sonomak Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:29 PM
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5. Crisis Manufacturing 101 - Professor: GWB
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:37 PM
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6. errr FUCK NO! They didn't do shit after Katrina. What did the gov
do but continue to fuck up after katrina?

Ain't shit goin on in the 9th Ward. There are still destroyed houses, people are permanently displaced...

NO it does not need a fucking katrina.

Seriously WTF? I cannot believe they said that shit.

:grr:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:54 PM
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7. but it did help them dispossess a large slice of the city's poor black population.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 01:01 PM
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10. Ding ding ding!!!!
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:01 PM
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17. and as shown on the update of Spike Lee's documentary last night..
Mississipi has gotten beautiful new Casino's, while a block away the library sits empty with pockets of water, and rotting! And the poorest homes are still as they were after Katrina. No improvements.

And in New Orleans , many homes( a huge block of homes, in 2 block sections) are slated to be destroyed to build a new Hospital, when the old hospital could be repaired without displacing anyone!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 01:26 PM
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11. The fact that they even said it indicates cluelessness about the human suffereing
in New Orleans. In fact just cluelessness in general
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:57 PM
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8. NBC thinks we need an education disaster to excuse a booting out of the poor and black?
That's actually refreshingly honest of them.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 02:44 PM
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12. ttt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:19 PM
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14. ....
What does ttt mean? Don't mean to sound dumb, but not sure. :hi:
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 08:21 AM
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24. To The Top
kicking the post...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 02:40 PM
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27. Now I should have figured that out.
Thanks for clarifying. :hi:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:54 PM
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15. HBO had on the Katrina Show by Spike Lee Last night, it seems it has been updated
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 06:55 PM by flyarm
I stayed up late last night to watch it as it is updated with a whole section on BP & the Gulf of Mexico

There were teachers ( I believe) and educators on the Show slamming what the Charter schools have done to education in New Orleans.
Sorry I was waiting for the Gulf Portion of the show, so I wasn;t oaying 100% attention, but If I can I would suggest people watch it and take notes!

All is not happy happy sunshine in NO with these Charter Schools!

I specifically remember them saying , the School administrators can make no decisions..they must go to their Corporate masters and there is no accountability with the Charter Schools!

Just a FYI in case anyone wants to watch it..the updates are well worth watching!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 04:52 PM
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28. I saw parts of that the other day. I need to check on replay dates.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 06:59 PM
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16. Complete sociopaths in these positions.
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 06:59 PM by Starry Messenger
I can't imagine how the kids and families from and in New Orleans feel every time they hear some smug yup say that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 08:59 PM
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19. I have been seeing today some folks upset with privatizing libraries.
I agree. They are doing it to all areas of life now.

Except there is little outrage when it is education.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 07:57 PM
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18. kick
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 09:09 PM
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20. I'm with Ayers on this when he calls it disgraceful
What ‘Superman’ got wrong, point by point

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/guest-bloggers/what-superman-got-wrong-point.html

While the education film Waiting For Superman has moving profiles of students struggling to succeed under difficult circumstances, it puts forward a sometimes misleading and other times dishonest account of the roots of the problem and possible solutions.

The amped-up rhetoric of crisis and failure everywhere is being used to promote business-model reforms that are destabilizing even in successful schools and districts. A panel at NBC’s Education Nation Summit, taking place in New York today and tomorrow, was originally titled "Does Education Need a Katrina?" Such disgraceful rhetoric undermines reasonable debate.


Disgraceful and reminiscent of Barbara Bush's infamous statement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4652205
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barbara_Bush

"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this (she chuckles slightly)--this is working very well for them."


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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 09:59 PM
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21. +1
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:13 PM
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22. If you haven't yet, be sure to read the article by
Ayers.

Very, very well done.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 06:59 AM
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23. It is a great article.
It deserves a post of it's own, if it hasn't already happened. I'm not seeing many threads here at DU now that the school year has started; I've been at work for 11-12 hours a day, and too tired to spend much time at the 'puter when I get home.
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 10:02 AM
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25. In the same boat
Just checking this briefly before heading out.
I wasn't sure if it was already posted or not either.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:59 AM
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26. It's an excellent article.
:hi:
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:17 AM
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33. He does a great job of addressing, point by point
I'd post it as an OP, but I wouldn't be able to tend to a thread right now.
And again, absolutely appalling that they would make such statements.
I told a co-worker and his jaw literally dropped at it.
Does show what they really think which is all too similar to Bab's comment right after Katrina.


:hi:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 04:55 PM
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29. This happens when people place no value on human life.
Kinda like Bush laughing about 9/11 with a crowd of millionares - sick, pathetic and wrong.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:55 PM
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30. This isn't all that complicated.
It shouldn't be hard to explain what is wrong with the administration's education program.

Democrats have been tearing it apart and ripping aside the stupid thing since way back when ronald reagan's administration tried pushing this stuff. Every time for the last thirty years that the neocon movement has tried pushing this program, Democrats have laid out why it was wrong, how it was wrong, and how wrong-headed it was.

But because a failed education reformer neocon with a pair of basketball shoes plays with the president, all of a sudden thirty years of Democratic opposition gets ignored.

Guys. Girls. It's a republican program. bill bennet trotted this stuff out under reagan. w pushed it in Texas. jeb pushed it in Florida. newt loves it. It's shallow. It's corporate backed. It will achieve exactly the opposite of what the administration says are its goals for schools.

Who can, with any intellectual honesty or rigor, with any sense of caring for children, with any sense at all, back this program. It cannot be defended. Every element is portrayed with giant republican talking points or poignant little vignette's that don't support the program but only advertise or propagandize it.

This isn't all that complicated. It's a republican idea in the mold of classic republican ideas.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:56 PM
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31. Yep. It is the Bush agenda writ large.
And that is a shame.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 10:09 PM
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32. INTERESTING. A similar thing happened in Canada in the 1990's
Edited on Wed Sep-29-10 10:09 PM by Canuckistanian
We once had a Conservative Minister of Education and Training in Ontario, Canada back in 1995.

His name was John Snobelen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Snobelen

He IMMEDIATELY got into hot water after he was filmed saying that the PC (Conservative) government "needed to "bankrupt" and to create a "useful crisis" in the education system so as to initiate significant reforms"

His solutions? Provincial (equivalent to "State") control of municipal education taxes, introducing standardized testing, cutting teaching preparation time, allowing the government to determine class sizes and granting early retirement initiatives to older, more experienced teachers. The presumed intent was to weaken the teacher's union and community control over education policy.

Sound familiar?

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elzenmahn Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:49 AM
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34. It certainly does....
...and fellow Canadian, Naomi Klein, knows the entire MO of this line of thinking - see The Shock Doctrine.

Create a fiscal crisis, then use it as an excuse to privatize, in part because those who advocate for this crap like Arne Duncan, expect us to be too ignorant to figure out what's going on.

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