IMO Brown clearly won the CA GOV debate against Whitman.

[mikelgb]

Whitman was all campaign commercial, with horrible unpopular ideas.

Brown was so real and likable.

Can't wait to see the polls post debate.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. I think it's unanimous. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. And I wasn't going to watch it

since I really did not want to listen to the fascist.

Well let me soften my stance a tad. She is all the way "third way" and not in a good way. Yes kiddies, she is a corporatits. who SHOULD move to Texas since she likes that state that much.

[pinboy3niner]

7. I'd buy her a bus ticket!

If only Meg would secede from California...

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. I suspect that she will do just that

once she loses


Assuming stupid voters don't get fooled...

[David Zephyr]

20. I don't think any Californian missed Meg's saying the model for California is Texas.

Wow! That was the dumbest thing I've heard in a Gubernatorial Debate in California.

She says the model for California is Texas? She just ended her campaign with that one.

Yes, "she should move to Texas". She already left California once before for many years and then lied about it saying she'd lived here her entire life.

The model for California is Texas? That will be her political epitaph.

[bleever]

35. "Texas has a much better business atmosphere."

Yeah, but it's actual atmosphere...not so much.

Wrong way to appeal to CA voters.

[saltpoint]

38. She could have at least praised Texas chili.

It's pretty good.

[KamaAina]

64. If it came to that, we could live on Stagg chili from Stockton.

Yummers!

[saltpoint]

70. I don't blame ya one bit. Around supper time,

I'm pretty negotiable on the chili.

[newspeak]

56. yeah, because Texas doesn't have a very good environmental record

and Little Boots, as governor, made sure all of his greedy corporate friends could police themselves since they're so responsible.

Californians, especially up north, most are more environmentally aware. She should just publicly tell the people, she wants her corporate buddies to come to california to shite on the state.

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. Also in Southern California

Less perhaps, but there is that consciousness.

Hell, you know it is bad when Jeff and Jerr said she did horribly... and even KPBS didn't sing her praises this morning.

[saltpoint]

37. Yep. Ol' Meg's gonna wish she could take that one back.

Too late, though.

Although what the hell, she could concede the gubernatorial race in California and just BUY Texas.

[shanti]

42. she's giving jerry lots of raw material

to work with in future debates....that is, if she allows another one!

[cally]

44. I hope Brown staff is making a commercial right now

It was a canned answer. Who thought that argument would work. :shrug:

[pinboy3niner]

48. I hope factcheck sites are preparing their analyses right now

I think they are going to be very busy... :)

[electricray]

65. LOL! Was "corporaTITS" on purpose? n/t

[Newsjock]

3. Whitman was empty, conceited, self-entitled ... and evil

Those qualities appeal to a certain part of the electorate, but one can hope that most Californians will see her for the evil person she is.

[left coaster]

9. "Whitman was empty, conceited, self-entitled ... and evil"

Yep.. it reminded me of McCain's debate performances against Obama.. typical Repug qualities. Wholly offensive.

[flamingdem]

11. She is such a cliche, an out of touch corporatist repuke yeech nt

[proud patriot]

16. yep !

then she repeated Einstein's quote on insanity , I missed the rest because I was laughing so hard

[David Zephyr]

30. Hillarious!

:rofl:

[Cleita]

4. She actually was sharper than I thought she would be,

but Brown delivered the coup d' etat, you can't do government like you do business and there are so many reasons. Unfortunately there was no time to go through them point by point.

[begin_within]

5. I have to give her credit for memorizing her one-liners well.

Her delivery was smoother. But beyond that she was merely an audio-animatronic.

[shanti]

12. smooth?

she was tripping over her words trying to get them all out. bug?

[begin_within]

46. No, I thought she delivered her canned lines much better than Brown spoke.

His delivery was much more awkward and stumbling. His points were better, but as far as packaging them, she was much better at reciting her memorized talking points. Whether she understands them or not is another story.

[MrsCorleone]

61. Her closing remarks where very Palinesque, minus all of the also, too, and in additions.

All filler words, and zero details.

[David Zephyr]

6. Brown won the election tonight. He was warm, approachable and on message.

Californians like Jerry Brown.

He deftly won the technical debating, but more importantly, his good nature and heart came through and she sounded like a broken record and was emotionless. Even her "it breaks my heart" was embarrassingly phony sounding.

Brown owns this race now. Edited for K&R.

[Cleita]

14. Wasn't she emotionless? I saw that.

I mean there was the big dimpled smile and the dead eyes behind it. She had no soul behind her facial expression.

[David Zephyr]

24. There were 3 of us watching the debate. He was warm, she was a robot.

Cleita! And then she said the model for California was Texas! OMG. She's history.

[mascarax]

22. What breaks her heart?

I didn't see it...am curious.
She is awful and must lose! I can't even imagine the damage she'd do.

[pinboy3niner]

28. Must be shelling out $ 119 million to not get elected...

[shanti]

8. nutmeg is awful :(

i can barely stand to look at her, but what's coming out of her mouth disgusts me. slice and dice, jerry!

[rwenos]

10. Dracula; Texas

Whitman was really amazingly bad. She called Jerry Brown Count Dracula. She said California needs to implement changes in government to be more like Texas. And she supports the Peripheral Canal.

And I am sure she thinks she won hands down. Talk about "not getting it."

[flamingdem]

13. What's the Peripheral Canal? Sounds wacky nt

[NYC_SKP]

40. A new scheme to ship more water to So Cal and screw up the enviroment even more.

And it was a topic when I was 12 years old, 40 years ago.

:hi:

[shanti]

17. she what??

count dracula? (i'm watching it now, came home late).

[pinboy3niner]

25. Her 'zinger' was that Brown as Gov....

...would be like having Dracula guard the blood bank. :eyes:

[shanti]

29. she's forcing him to roll in the mud with her

thank you jerry, for invoking the name of the evil pete wilson! he's the snake behind the repukes in cali.

[David Zephyr]

33. Brown mentioned Pete Wilson, her chair, twice!

He stuck Pete Wilson all over her.

[shanti]

41. yes, i heard that!

love that he did that, tell the truth about who's REALLY in charge. pete wilson reminds me of cheney - ugh. he would be in charge again if nutmeg is elected. i don't think cali would survive another go round. :(

[MrsCorleone]

60. Is this the same Pete Wilson who deregulated CA's energy industry due to Enron's heavy lobbying,

leading to our devastating energy crisis, financially crippling CA residents and businesses, which was then blamed on Grey Davis by Pete Wilson himself?

That Pete Wilson?

Way to go, Meg!

:sarcasm:

[tabatha]

21. I think that is what turned my stomach.

If anyone is Count Dracula, it is her.

Jerry Brown is amazingly sharp for 72.

[shanti]

34. i've always loved that about jerry brown

from 1974 on, my first voting experience at 18 too! he was brilliant then and still sharp as a tack. he's making mincemeat of her.

[David Zephyr]

53. Indeed.

I can't wait for Jerry to be my Governor again. :)

[newspeak]

57. you know, Brown should really get the environmental records

air, water quality, contamination since Little boots allowed his friends to shite on Texas. Get the stats and make an ad.

[saltpoint]

18. Go, Jerry.

The once and future Governor of California.

[Parker CA]

19. Total destruction. Brown is our next governor.

[shanti]

23. she's brought up the state pensions THREE TIMES already!

on her own accord! THIS is what this is all about, make no mistake about it! she sickens me.

[cally]

26. She promoted Texas policies over California!!!

I don't think that's the best way to win over Californians
I think Whitman came across as phony, condescending, and advocating policies not too popular with Californians. Brown came across as honest, smart, and competent.

[EFerrari]

32. That's how his ads come off to me, too. Very appealing. n/t

[David Zephyr]

36. The Texas comment will be her $150 Million political epitaph.

She's finished.

[saltpoint]

27. Meg, Meg, Meg. You fool.

You goddam fool.

[EFerrari]

31. Great news, thanks. Maybe CSPAN or someone will post it. n/t

[Joanie Baloney]

43. Here's the link for the on-demand video from UC Davis

It will be up on-demand after noon (PT) tomorrow.

Watch it and laugh with Jerry and cringe at Nutmeg.


http://debate.ucdavis.edu/webcast.html

[EFerrari]

49. Thank you, Joanie!

:hi:

[MrsCorleone]

52. Thank you! n/t

[DisgustipatedinCA]

39. I listened on my way home from work

It was kind of nice to listen in a bubble. I formed the opinion that he was kicking her ass all over the place, and I got independent confirmation of my suspicion when I got home and started reading comments here.

Jerry Brown had a relaxed, California demeanor about himself. Whitman didn't seem to make many big mistakes, but she sounded corporate, robotic, unenthusiastic. And of course what she's trying to sell is bunk, so that can't help. Brown just had that relaxed, conversational, and (again) Californian sort of disposition. I think he won the debate going away.

[cally]

45. Good point. Brown sounded like a Californian

He had that relaxed demeanor and Whitman sounded canned

[David Zephyr]

50. Thanks for the radio perpective.

She was like a friggin' emotionless recording.

Jerry put himself down, Jerry was at ease with the audience, Jerry hit every technical point, but killed her on warmth and humanity.

I'm glad you shared with us how it sounded on the radio, DisgustipatedinCA.

[JI7]

62. Whitman sounded like a Stereotype of a Politician who is fake and rehearsed

while Brown sounded like a regular guy who really understood how things worked and has experience.

[political_Dem]

47. Yes, even with all her money NutMeg could not buy class or honesty.

Empathy is not this woman's strong suit. I mean the only thing people wait with baited breath concerning this harpy is what she will compare to California next.

And no, California will never be like Texas. Never.

[MrsCorleone]

51. Does anyone have a debate video link? Missed the first half. Thanks. N/t

[pinboy3niner]

55. It'll be up by noon tomorrow here:

http://debate.ucdavis.edu/index.html

[MrsCorleone]

59. Thanks!

Did you catch Whitman's closing remarks? A whole lotta nothing there. Hopefully even her hardcore supporters will see through all that fluff.

[4_Legs_Good]

54. Did she really say that Labor Unions spent $300M on campaigns over the last 5 years in CA?

I was listening in the car, but I'm pretty sure she actually used that statistic.

Seriously? Over 5 years organized labor has spent just over 2x what she's spent in 7 months on a single campaign. Was that supposed to be a good point??? She's budgeted for a one year campaign the same amount that all of organized labor spent over half a decade?

That was the stupidest thing I heard tonight... Just beating out her horrible delivery on the awful Dracula comment.

David

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Yes, yes she did

to me the stupidiest, and that one was very close was... well you see Texas is far friendlier to business, and we should be like Texas...

I did like a triple take.

[scheming daemons]

58. To be fair, a ham sandwich would win a debate with Meg Whitman

[bklyncowgirl]

63. Caught it online--here's a few thoughts

Brown had it all over Whitman when it came to facts and tying his arguments together. Essentially his main argument was, I've been there, I know how to do this job, If anyone can fix this mess it's me.

Whitman's main argument was her independence, and her ability to apply new ways imported from the private sector into government. Brown, I think, effectively rebutted much of that argument by reminding people that this is a complicated job and that he has the knowledge to get it done and emphasizing her ties to big business. Her arguments about Brown's ties to the public employees unions may be more effective--civil servants are the demons du jour among much of the population.

I was also rather surprised that the 72 year old Brown actually looked younger and sharper than Meg Whitman. If I were to guess which of these two were likely to survive two terms (perhaps literally) I'd have to say it's Brown. Whitman looked washed out and tired. Look for Whitman to get a new makup artist for her next debate plus a coach to teach her to not smirk while her opponent is talking. Brown had a proper poker face on for most of his reaction shots.

I'd like to see Bill Clinton get out there and campaign with Jerry--alright there's not much love there--but it would be a big help. The last President to balance the Federal budget along with the last governor to balance the California budget.

[Parker CA]

67. Terrific points. It'd be great to see the Big Dog out there with Brown, but even without that

I think Brown will stomp Whitman in November.

[wiggs]

66. I don't know why he can't just come out and say "we had corporate royalists in

charge of this country for 8 years and we know we don't need more of that in California"

[Liberty Belle]

71. I'm looking for polls on the debate. Anybody have them?