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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:25 PM
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FL school board member demands that charters account for kids sent back to public schools.
I say good for Frank O'Reilly. Guess what? The thought came to him as he was watching parts of Education Nation.

He got to thinking about all the high scores in one charter in particular, and thinking that school needs to be more accountable for the students they reject.

To be frank it takes courage to take on this particular charter school. Its head is a major conservative player in the Florida legislature. The elite in the area will defend these charter schools to the end because their kids go there.

School Board Member Asks for Better Charter School Tracking

School Board member Frank O’Reilly wants district official to start tracking how many students are transferred from charter schools to public schools as a result of their grades, social economic status or behavioral issues. During a work session this morning, O’Reilly read a letter sent by Harold Maready, superintendent of McKeel charter schools, to a parent about their third grader who flunked the FCAT.

“Your child does not meet the criteria to be a McKeel student,” O’Reilly read.

If public schools were to reject students based on their academic performance, then they could be A schools, too, O’Reilly said.

“We must take every child that comes through that door whether we like it or not,” O’Reilly said. ‘‘That is a public school paid by taxpayers’ dollars, and I like to remind Mr. Maready of that.”


Yes, our taxes are paying for a school that will kick kids out with little explanation. I know, I got a lot of them when I was still teaching. It has taken a long time for the board to speak up about this.

O'Reilly and other school board members have tried to hold McKeel Academy accountable for other things. No luck. The last two years the school has spent, respectively, $70,000 and $69,000 of public tax money to sent their teachers on a week-end resort at Clearwater beach.

Charter school beach trip irks public school officials

At a time when Polk's traditional schools have virtually frozen funds for out-of-county training travel, McKeel charter schools continue to see value in a $69,000 weekend retreat at a Clearwater resort for 166 staff and board members.

Currently, traveling out of the county for training is hard to be approved for employees of traditional schools. Charter schools receive public money but operate independently of the local School Board.

Kay Fields, Polk County School Board chairwoman, said the public school district has "enough to chew on" rather than worry about how much the McKeel charter system is spending on a conference.

"Whatever they do, that's up to them," she said. "Since they are not a part of our school system, I don't think that should be something we should be concerned about because it's something we can't do anything about."


Well, I don't take her too seriously since she still believes in teaching Creationism in science classes.

The school did the same thing last year.

McKeel Charter Schools Spends $70,000 on Weekend Retreat

Remember that is taxpayer money.

Polk County School Board Chairman Frank O'Reilly said McKeel could have held its orientation in Polk County.

"To take $70,000, which is the equivalent of more than a teacher, seems to be a little out of line with the crisis we are having with funds," O'Reilly said. "It certainly does not show very much respect for the parents and the taxpayers of Florida and Polk County."

Mark Thompson, McKeel's chairman of the board, said the training is essential to develop teachers at McKeel.

"One of the beauties to me of the whole charter movement is you put dollars into hands of businesspeople who know how to leverage them," Thompson said. "The taxpayer expects us to produce a product.


No, Mark Thompson, the training at a luxury resort using taxpayer money is NOT essential to develop good teachers. In all my years of teaching I never heard of such a thing.

The fact that you consider that a "beauty" of the charter movement..."putting dollars into hands of businesspeople who know how to leverage them"...is a scary thing to me.

Perhaps I should be glad at least one school board member watched Education Nation. It surely made him question why charter schools here get so doggoned good scores. They do it by sending kids back to public schools with little or not explanation.

Teachers here are very concerned over the national attitude toward their profession right now. Obama and Biden and Arne are warning us to quit "whining" and be thankful.

Then they keep right on talking about how wonderful charter schools are, saying that "bad" public schools teachers should be fired (without even addressing the poor quality of testing).

And I am supposed to shut up and quit whining. Sorry but when I see some of these kids being kicked back down to public schools in a humiliating way, when I hear the arrogance in the voices of the charter leaders....I start feeling very whiny all over again.

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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:29 PM
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1. I got a suggestion and I am dead serious
RUN FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD.

At times the best place to fight this IS at the level of the SCHOOL BOARD.

No, don't stop fighting... RUN for the school board.

:hide:

I fear this will not be well received though.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 10:15 AM
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19. Yes! Madfloridian for School Board of Wherever!
Who knows more about education issues on this board?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:32 PM
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2. Excellent.
I have a feeling the Teacherhatepalooza this week is going to foster a backlash like this. They got reckless and ramped things up too much at once.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:35 PM
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6. From your lips...
One bright note: RWers always overreach in their hurry to satisfy their greed-always.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:37 AM
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20. This week really angered some teachers who had paid little attention before.
I have been surprised at some I have heard from.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:05 PM
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32. ooo, ooo, ooo...
I like that thought!
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:32 PM
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3. Big K & R! nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:34 PM
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4. Wow. “Your child does not meet the criteria to be a McKeel student,”
how can this be?

the charter supporters here at DU assure me it never happens.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:49 PM
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9. They'll be here shortly.
They've already shown up on other threads.


:::::sigh:::::



TG
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:16 AM
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12. Yep, one just did.
Unbelievable.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:18 AM
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13. No, it's public!
:sarcasm:
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:04 PM
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22. +1
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:34 PM
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5. That sounds more than fair.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:38 PM
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7. Damn, there is sanity in Florida education
What great news. May this be the first wave of a larger backlash throughout the country.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:42 PM
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25. It will be an uphill battle, but good to hear someone speak out.
I doubt the school board will get anywhere, probably the state charter rules will stop too much investigation.

But it is nice to know someone thought about it.
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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 11:47 PM
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8. This is my 7th year in a FL charter
Hate to tell you, but public schools do the same. Jones in orange county a few years ago booted over 100 students before FCAT, but still got an F. My charter does not boot kids for academics, if we did we would have no kids. My principal does get rid of kids for behavior issues, but not enough as far as I'm concerned. This year only 1 so far. The principal told an 8th grade girl to get into uniform and she refused. Parents were called in and the girl was out.

Charters also get the thugs from public schools. I was at a charter that took kids from Polk county. Throughout the year we would get new students from Boone MS and each one behavior issues to include bringing gangs to the school.

The money the charter spent was probably not "taxpayer" money. It was probably from their margin.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:04 AM
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10. 1) Public schools can't arbitrarily "boot" students at any time they please.
If "Jones" did it, I'd bet there's more to the story.

2) Charter schools get public money. Saying it was some *other* money they spent demonstrates the problem with mixing public & private funding.

3) Poor charter schools, having to deal with gangs. No problem, you can just write their parents a letter saying they're "not charter school material".
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:13 AM
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11. That is simply not true. That is not true at all.
Yes, the money the charter spent WAS taxpayer money. But the regular school board does not control them.

Public schools take all the kids. Maybe some will be on suspension or expelled for bad behavior temporarily, but they are still students there. They still count on the test scoring.

I would never blatantly post anything untrue, and I have a lot of trouble finding anyone who does so credible.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:20 AM
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14. "Thugs", right.
I seriously hope you are not teaching in that charter.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:10 AM
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16. +10000
If they don't have "those" kids, they can keep their "standards" high, right?

I am a Florida parent and taxpayer, and I object to FL tax money which ought to be going to PUBLIC schools being siphoned off and thrown away at charters where there is very little oversight.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 08:20 AM
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17. And FL let at least 8 religious schools become charters...
to get financial help to survive.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 08:27 AM
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18. Yeah, talk about blurring the line of separation between church and state.
BTW, I am not against private schools or religious schools as long as they are completely privately-funded and accredited.

Those religious schools barely qualify from what I've been reading.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 04:50 PM
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28. More like dismantled the separation of church and state.
Here you go:

Palmetto Christian School in Florida joins 7 former Catholic schools, turns charter for public money

Actually I think another Catholic school became charter as well since that was written last November.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 07:50 PM
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31. Taxpayers' money going to schools which are anti-evolution and teach creationism.
Why aren't there any lawsuits over this issue yet?
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wilt the stilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 11:52 AM
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21. How can you be blogging at this hour- I call bullshit on this person
Shouldn't you be teaching?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 01:56 PM
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26. Banging gangs?
Is this the new porn trend?
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 07:45 PM
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30. Uh huh...so basically what you are saying is that every child who succeeds in a charter school
Edited on Wed Sep-29-10 07:47 PM by MichiganVote
is successful education paid for with PUBLIC taxpayer funds. And so of course every child who fails, their education is paid for from "margin" funds. The implied meaning is that only in public schools do the deadbeat students waste public taxpayer funds. The Charter schools have a better system or some such nonsense because of this mythical "margin".

What a complete crock and corruption of information about school funds. See this is exactly why the public does not trust a charter "Public" school system.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:55 AM
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15. "State law makes it difficult to address O'Reilly's concerns"
Well, sure enough. The laws were made to protect even the worst charters from too much scrutiny.

"State law makes it difficult to address O'Reilly's concerns, said John Murphy, the district's substitute school board attorney. Murphy also said O'Reilly's concerns have been brought up numerous times during charter review committee meetings.

“We are not yet on a level playing field, but that's been the case since 1996,” said Murphy. “I would hate for the children to get caught up in this tug of war.”

O'Reilly said the students are already in a tug of war.

“You can't keep putting children somewhere else because they don't meet your criteria,” he said."
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:15 PM
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23. "..."Since they are not a part of our school system..." except that they ARE
when it comes time to siphon off tax payer money or to appropriate an already built (and TAXED for) building or two..:grr:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 12:49 PM
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24. Well said and true.
:hi:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 03:13 PM
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27. Rec and kick. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 07:28 PM
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29. ...
and thank you. :hi:
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:06 PM
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33. knrnt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-10 09:48 PM
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34. Interesting letter to editor about McKeel Academy scores.
There was an uproar when O'Reilly earlier criticized the money for the teacher training week-ends. There were letters to the editor from angry McKeel parents. They tolerate little criticism.

I did find this letter about the FCAT scores which were printed in the paper.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20100912/EDIT02/9125015

"According to the published FCAT scores, Kimberly Williams is pulling numbers out of a hat. Nine Polk County schools earned a higher score than the best-scoring McKeel charter school, and 20 scored higher than the worst-scoring McKeel charter school (based on points earned).

Perhaps Kimberly Williams was only focused on the third-grade scores. At South McKeel and McKeel elementary, third grade improved in both reading and mathematics from 2009 to 2010. But fourth grade dropped in both subjects, and fifth grade dropped in reading and improved in mathematics.

For McKeel Academy of Technology, sixth and seventh grades dropped, and the only grade to improve was eighth. Both ninth and 10th grades dropped there, with a precipitous drop in the reading scores of 10th-graders from 48 percent to 39 percent making a 3 or above.

Somehow, even with that dismal showing, it remained an A school with only 39 percent reading at their grade level in 10th grade. Oh, its score is "pending." But it did not make adequate yearly progress there or at South McKeel."
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