If we lose the House, the blame lies with the corporate sellout Democrats.

[closeupready]

Period.

[emulatorloo]

1. The house has put out some very good legislation.

It is the Senate that has been the problem.

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. DVT

Useless.

[stray cat]

3. The voters and non-voters decide elections - the voters will get who they prefer

its not that complicated

[pnwmom]

4. Yeah, right.

:sarcasm:

Or maybe the blame will lie with Democrats who would rather shoot off their own foot than compromise, or vote for someone who did.

[closeupready]

7. I would actually like to respond to this point:

There are plenty of independents (and single issue voters). If the Democrat says, "I will represent your interests better than they will!" and then, after winning office, they represent instead the interests of their biggest campaign donors even when those interests conflict with the interests of the aforementioned independents, then that voter will look for someone new whose personality does not carry the taint of corruption.

Not for anyone here, of course, but for many of these voters, that means sometimes voting Republican, sometimes Green - whoever they believe is more likely to actually do what they promise, i.e., someone who has not yet proven themselves to be the stereotypical elected official for hire.

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[sandnsea]

19. You want to have a Republican Rep in your district?

I'd be humiliated to be represented by the Republican running in my district. There is nothing my Democrat could do that would prevent me from voting for him and being glad to do so. I only bring up his campaign to point out to people that it isn't just the blue dogs who do this triangulating bullshit and that everybody has stuff they're disgusted with.

[closeupready]

22. My rep, Nydia Velazquez, is clean - her record is spotlessly progressive.

So no, when she comes up for re-election, I'm THERE for her. In the trenches. She is a goddess to me.

I'm sorry if you don't have that going for you.

[sandnsea]

24. She opposes the 9/11 trial in NYC

That took me all of 2 minutes to find. She's not perfect.

[closeupready]

25. Nice try at besmirching someone who opposed the Iraq War from the beginning,

continues to oppose it, opposing the Surge and escalation of war in South Asia, and basically is someone who - speaking here from the "Far Left" - does an outstanding job representing her constituents and their interests. So she opposes the 9/11 trial in NYC. Big deal. I love her, and if I didn't, I certainly wouldn't bring her up in this discussion.

The larger point is, your choices suck. Just what concrete steps have you taken to change that?

[sandnsea]

26. Pointing out a flawed political view is not besmirching

That's the entire point. Nobody is perfect. If you dwell on the negative, you're sure to find plenty in anybody.

And you think my choices suck? Just who do you think my choices are??

[closeupready]

28. You basically stated in post #9 that

your elected officials claimed to be environmentalists on some level during their campaigns, but now they seek more logging. So I have no idea who you are referring to, but seems like I don't need to make an assessment - your post implied your elected officials are part of the problem, of selling out. That is, you're implying yourself that your choices suck. My choices don't suck.

[sandnsea]

31. Peter DeFazio sucks? Or he's not perfect??

And Ron Wyden, definitely not perfect. But sucks???

[vi5]

10. Pretty much nailed it....

Great, simple summation.

Those yelling at people on here are looking for a simple scapegoat. The fact is if the numbers of "the left" who are supposedly going to sit the election out (which I don't think is reality, but for the sake of their delusions let's go with it) were so monolithic and decisive on election days then....well wouldn't it make sense to meet those people's needs? Or listen to them? Or heaven forbid not insult them?

If the numbers are insignificant then why waste your time yelling at them and trying to convince them.

[PVnRT]

23. Maybe those corporate Democrats ought to compromise every once in a while

It sure would be a change of pace, instead of demanding that the liberal wing do everything.

[sandnsea]

27. They do

Voting for Bernie Sanders' free clinic money was a compromise. Allowing abortion insurance riders was a compromise. Increasing Medicaid benefits to adults was a compromise. Cigarette tax increases is a compromise. Benefits for the part-time unemployed was a compromise. Just about any time you say "corporatist sellout", they look at the same bill and see where they have made a compromise.

[Recursion]

29. +1000

The nation is not DU

[pampango]

5. And if the repubs underperform, they'll blame the teabaggers who, in turn, will blame RINO moderates

The one thing you can count on is that no politician or political grouping will ever admit that it was their fault. Folks on the left and right will always be at odds with the moderates (relatively less wacko might be a better term for repubs) in both parties and none ever say "This defeat/underperformance was our fault."

The right (teabaggers, etc.) will contend that repubs weren't conservative enough if they don't do well. The left will say that Democrats were not progressive enough, if we lose the House or Senate. The moderates in the losing/underperforming party will say that the other party did a better job of appealing to independents, so they (the losing party) needs to be more moderate and go after the independents next time.

Lets hope its the repubs who are fighting among themselves after a bad election in 5 weeks.

[RZM]

6. If that happens there will be plenty of blame to go around

I'll reserve some for people who would have voted democratic but failed to show up at the polls.

[yurbud]

8. the sellouts had more impact on the senate, but those in house who opposed ending tax cut for rich

deserve their share of tar and feathers too.

[mod mom]

11. and especially those like rahm who worked hard at alienating the base.

[closeupready]

13. Him and Gibbs both. Now Biden is getting in on that action.

Really disappointing. Not so much perhaps with Emanuel or Gibbs, since they are de facto "youthful and inexperienced", but Biden's been around; he should know better. Oh, well.

[kctim]

14. Really?

So moderate Democrats are going to vote for Republicans because their Democrat didn't go far enough left for them?
Or, are you saying Democrats will not show up to vote so that Republicans will win, because their Democrat didn't go far enough left for them?

[corpseratemedia]

15. and a bizarre organized attempt to squelch the democratic vote

by continuously insulting democratic voters

I really hope dems and independents show up en masse and vote Dem to show that this nasty tactic failed and that they aren't off the hook -

If they lose a lot of seats which apparently blue dogs are looking forward to they get a chance to shit on the "hippie professional left fucking retard needs mental health testing" Democratic majority - I don't want to give them the chance to do so!.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[laughingliberal]

16. Yep. nt

[clarence swinney]

17. House passed Legislation

Over 300 Bills are gathering Dust in Senate.
Some passed with unanimous votes in House


McConnell made decision and said it January 2009.
We will stop anything this President does to win in 2010.

Obama said that after meeting with GOP caucus in January 2009.

He knew it was War Time but chose appeasement with an impossible enemy

He did not scream and cuss. He should. Nations need Leaders no compromisers.

Go for your Middle Class.

GOP is now TRIPLE A PARTY
anti-christ
anti-america
anti world

WSA owned
olduglymeanhonest

[harun]

18. House has been doing awesome. Senate is poop.

[bobbolink]

20. That's exactly it, but the fix is in... its we liberals who will be blamed.

Fuck it.

[B Calm]

21. I will hold my nose and vote for my blue dog, beats seeing a full fledged right wing Nazi win!

[rucky]

30. If we lose the House, I blame finger-pointing before we even lose the House.

It makes us look like losers.

[pgodbold]

32. If we lose the house and or the senate I take full responsibility.

I am gay so I also accept responsibility for all hurricanes and earthquakes and famine and the sinking of the titanic and all pestilence and disease and old people left alone in nursing homes.
Any questions?