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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:50 AM
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Would it change your mind about the war to see dismemebered civilian's bodies?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/29/AR2010092904137.html?wpisrc=nl_natlalert

When Army investigators tried to interrogate Staff Sgt. Calvin R. Gibbs in May about the suspected murders of three Afghan civilians, he declined to answer questions. But as he was being fingerprinted, Gibbs lifted up his pant leg to reveal a tattoo.

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Charging documents against Staff Sgt. Gibbs
Grisly allegations in war-crimes probe of Army Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs
Engraved on his left calf was a picture of a crossed pair of pistols, framed by six skulls. The tattoo was "his way of keeping count of the kills he had," according to a report filed by a special agent for the Army's Criminal Investigations Command. Three of the skulls, colored in red, represented kills in Iraq, Gibbs told the agent; the others, in blue, were from Afghanistan.

Gibbs said he acted in self-defense each time, but Army officials came to a different conclusion. They have charged him with conspiring with other soldiers from the 5th Stryker Combat Brigade of the 2nd Infantry Division to murder three unarmed Afghans, allegedly for sport, and dismembering and photographing the corpses.

The war-crimes investigation is the gravest to confront the Army in Afghanistan since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. In echoes of the Abu Ghraib scandal that unfolded from Iraq in 2004, the Army is scrambling to locate dozens of digital photographs that soldiers allegedly took of one another posing alongside the corpses of their victims. Military officials worry disclosure of the images could inflame public opinion against the war, both at home and abroad.
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Would photos of chopped up bodies 'inflame' you? Would it change your mind about the so called 'wars'? Do you think the world should see what our soldiers have been up to over there? Does it disturb you that our own people are acting worse than fucking Nazis?

How low can America go?

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:56 AM
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1. but some soldier got to come home & surprise his little tow-headed girl-child!
don't harsh the buzz!
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:57 AM
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2. Daddy brought you a souvenir of the war honey
A finger.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:16 AM
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3. oo, I have a finger I'll give them
K&R
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:24 AM
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4. What ever makes anyone really think the killings would stop when they got back home to
the US? They are psychopaths - serial killers.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 06:42 AM
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7. Millions of vets came home and...
...have been murdering and mutilating people?

Golly.

I hadn't read anything in the papers.
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:32 AM
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5. I've been inflamed about the war
Since day one - so it wouldn't change me. . .

And honestly? These Serena Joy Dominionist types on the right? It won't change them. I believe they'd be orgasmic at the images. Sad but true.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 06:38 AM
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6. "the fucking Nazis" committed their atrocities as a matter of state policy
The US army, in case you failed to read the article you posted, is prosecuting these animals.

That means they have rules against this sort of heinous act and when those rules are broken they investigate, prosecute and punish.

And I'm willing to bet military prisons are far more harsh than their civilian counterparts.

If they're Nazis then they're Obama's Nazis and instead of worrying about if the democrats retain congress this year we should be cleaning our house but we're not so either we're propping up the Nazis or you're just slinging poo.

I despise the war. I despise all war. I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again: books are cheaper than bombs and far more effective.

Being anti-war is good but not when you slandering entire groups of people based on the actions of a few and when those few are being punished because broke rules the broader group lives by.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 06:56 AM
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8. of course it inflames me...but I have news for you-it inflames the troops,too.
why do you think so many come back mind-fucked,drug-addicted and suicidal?Do you think this is what they WANT?
This is what some cowards wanted-Bush,cheney and the like.They are the ones who got their rocks off for a multitude of reasons.
Yes-We need to broadcast the price of war in graphic detail-civilian and military.And we need to force those who got us there to watch non-stop...but be prepared to clean up their mess afterwards.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 07:17 AM
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9. Did 9-11 change your ideas on anything -after all they were civilians
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 07:20 AM by stray cat
Americans sit smugly self righteously and look down on those who are actually trying to prevent civilian deaths by risking their own lives -ie the military

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:15 PM
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11. lol. our presence precipitated the deaths of hundreds of thousands.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:34 PM
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12. this is starting to sound like Vietnam all over again.
americans who are not involved have no idea what these troops have been through.Hell,most Americans have forgotten we are actually in a war.A devastating act,such as the one you stated...or the My Lai massacre from the Vietnam War...are presented to represent the military as a whole.The troops come home to more shit.My dad drank himself to a slow death after Vietnam.My son is doing the same after Iraq.I hope people you love who have been there are coping.If they aren't,PM me,as I have excellent resources.

Not an "lol" subject.

Peace.
Beth
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:37 PM
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14. i'm not laughing at vets, i'm laughing at the poster who thinks the us presence in iraq/
afghanistan is about "saving lives" or helping the people.

in fact, it destroyed iraq, as war *always* destroys lives. i am sorry it has touched your family.
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The Uncola Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 08:22 AM
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10. Change my mind about war?
Nope. War is the failure of civilization to live civilly. Killers kill. Killers kill with impunity, for the most part, in wars. We train people to kill, then should be surprised when some go off the deep end, in a place where it's quite likely they will get away with it?
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:35 PM
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13. No - I would still be against it
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