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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:27 AM
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Shady Secrets
OP Ed in the NY Times this morning -

A midnight filing by the Obama administration on Friday, asking a federal judge to throw out a lawsuit because of the so-called state secrets doctrine, again raises a troubling question. Why do the White House and Justice Department continue to invoke this severe legal tool essentially as prior administrations have used it, in the face of a considerable body of opinion that it has been abused and should be significantly reformed?

Everyone recognizes that there are secrets that must be protected, but the doctrine has been used to cover up illegal and embarrassing acts or to avoid needed public discussion of policies. Federal trial judges sometimes fail to make the government justify its use of the privilege.

Despite President Obama’s promises of reform in this area, the public still cannot reliably distinguish between legitimate and self-serving uses of the national security claims. Worse, some of the administration’s claims clearly have fallen on the darker side of that line.

The lawsuit was filed by the father of Anwar al-Awlaki to stop the government from killing his son, who is believed to be planning attacks for the branch of Al Qaeda in Yemen, where he is said to be in hiding. Charlie Savage reported in The Times that there is wide agreement in the administration “that it is lawful to target Mr. Awlaki,” but disagreement about the basis for requesting dismissal of the lawsuit. In the end, “a more expansive approach” won out.

Given the cloud of doubt hanging over the doctrine — for 57 years, really, since the Supreme Court established it and for the past decade, especially, because the Bush administration abused it to conceal torture — it’s time for the Obama administration to air these differences and explain the full extent of its thinking...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/30/opinion/30thu1.html?hp


Definition of State Secrets from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_secrets_privilege)

The state secrets privilege is an evidentiary rule created by United States legal precedent. Application of the privilege results in exclusion of evidence from a legal case based solely on affidavits submitted by the government stating that court proceedings might disclose sensitive information which might endanger national security.<1><2><3><4><5><6> United States v. Reynolds,<7> which involved military secrets, was the first case that saw formal recognition of the privilege.

Following a claim of "state secrets privilege", the court rarely conducts an in camera examination of the evidence to evaluate whether there is sufficient cause to support the use of this doctrine. This results in court rulings in which even the judge has not verified the veracity of the assertion.<1> The privileged material is completely removed from the litigation, and the court must determine how the unavailability of the privileged information affects the case.<3><5>
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 10:20 AM
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1. Why? Because there are some big-named Dems who've been working handinhand with BushInc for decades
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 10:22 AM by blm
now, especially on matters involving the oil regions and global finance (global fascism). BCCI report didn't deepsix itself in the 90s.

Dependence on some of the 'experienced' Dem players has been the worst mistake of this young WH. As long as the retreads from the 90s are in this administration, the coverups for BushInc will continue.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:38 PM
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2. It does appear to be business as usual -
I have been following the ACLU to see which battles they are taking on and they are covering this particular trial (http://www.aclu.org/national-security).

The only (minor) thing I can see in the realm of change, however, is a bill called the Reducing Over-Classification Act that has been passed recently by the house and senate. This doesn't seem to get at the real problem of things still being covered up at the executive level. (http://www.aclu.org/national-security/congress-passes-important-bill-reduce-government-secrecy)
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 01:38 PM
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3. Unacceptable. This is exactly the type of horrible policy we voted to get rid of in 2008.
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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 01:51 PM
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4. K&R n/t
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 01:55 PM
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5. Invoking National Security is a winner every time
This will effectively end any lawsuit.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 02:51 PM
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6. Yes it typicallly ends the lawsuit
because evidence protected by the "state secrets" can't be used in the case. If that is the main evidence the plaintiff has, and it has been thrown out, there is really no case to continue.

So we can try to move all these cases from military tribunals to federal court, but it's kind of pointless if they're going to plead state secrets on all of them. Nice transparency...
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:36 PM
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7. k & r
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:44 PM
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8. K&R nt
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