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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:16 AM
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Christian Reconstructionism repug wants stoning to be used, not a joke

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/9/29/12241/9391/Front_Page/In_Grayson_Flap_Factcheck_org_Misses_Webster_Ties_To_Christian_Reconstructionism


In Grayson Flap, Factcheck.org Misses Webster Ties To Christian Reconstructionism


So how close is Republican Congressional candidate Daniel Webster, running against Democratic Representative Alan Grayson for Florida's 8th Congressional District, to evangelist Bill Gothard? That question is now politically salient because of Gothard's participation in a radical Christian political movement called Christian Reconstructionism that seeks to impose stoning as a form of capital punishment for crimes including murder, adultery, "heresy," and "witchcraft." (for more on Christian Reconstructionism, see story appendix)

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Bill Gothard, in turn, was a close ally of R.J. Rushdoony, considered the father of Christian Reconstructionism and founder of the movement's flagship institution, the Chalcedon Institute.

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That vision included instituting stoning as a form of capital punishment for rape, kidnapping, murder, heresy, blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, "sodomy or homosexuality," incest, striking a parent, extreme juvenile delinquency, and "unchastity before marriage."

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As described in a February 18, 1999 story in the Broward/Palm Beach New Times, by Bob Norman, Bill Gothard's Character First! curriculum, now being taught in public school systems across the United States, teaches an extreme form of submission to authority. As Norman's story begins,

(a song these kids are taught:

Obedience is listening attentively,
Obedience will take instructions joyfully,
Obedience heeds wishes of authorities,
Obedience will follow orders instantly.
For when I am busy at my work or play,
And someone calls my name, I'll answer right away!
I'll be ready with a smile to go the extra mile
As soon as I can say "Yes, sir!" "Yes ma'am!"
Hup, two, three! )

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The Biblically approved methods of execution include burning (at the stake for example), stoning, hanging, and "the sword." Gary North, the self-described economist of Reconstructionism, prefers stoning because, among other things, stones are cheap, plentiful, and convenient. Punishments for non-capital crimes generally involve whipping, restitution in the form of indentured servitude, or slavery. Prisons would likely be only temporary holding tanks, prior to imposition of the actual sentence.
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stones are cheaper.

these men belong in a locked down mental institution

the children of these insane men should be taken away by family services
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:17 AM
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1. American Taliban, indeed.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:21 AM
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2. The Koranly approved methods of punishment are quite similar to
the Biblically approved ones. Stoning, for instance, appears several times.

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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:27 AM
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3. Okay, so I was raised
Roman Catholic, which means I've never really read the Bible. But isn't there supposed to be stuff in the New Testament about forgiveness?

I also recall a conversation many years ago with a friend who was a self-avowed Christian (at the time he seemed pretty conservative, today he'd be an out-there liberal Christians) who carefully explained to me that where there was disagreement or inconsistencies, the New Testament superseded the Old.

:shrug:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:33 AM
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5. Gothard is the anti-forgiveness prophet...
he believes that if your grandparents sinned against God, that the children and grandchildren should expect punishment as well.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:42 AM
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6. Conservatives are Old Testament, Liberals New Testament.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 12:04 PM
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8. A simplistic formulation like that probably misrepresents Judaic theology
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 02:44 PM
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9. I was looking at the angry God they have constructed. You never hear them
Speak of the Beatitudes.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:31 AM
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4. Gothard must be without sin. n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:54 AM
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7. The long knives are out for Grayson
If only some Democrats would come to his defense... (this is me not holding my breath).
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