by gender... how many see O'Keefes set up more tuned to drug rape.

[seabeyond]

men and women see this differently. it just has to be. women have been placed in situations to be aware of. men, not so much. so, because men have not experienced, doesnt mean i am calling them out. but as a woman, and per another thread, i look at o'keefe's plan and his goal and i cannot see any other reasonable way of succeeding with the reporter without a rape drug. i dont think even o'keefe, in his arrogance, could see he had a chance "seducing" the reporter. i am curious, by gender, how others feel.

i could easily be way out on this one, why the poll.

i think both gender pretty much think he is the type, lacking conscious enough, to be able to do such a thing.

on edit: i really dont mind having his name, this situation and rape out there on net. doesnt hurt my scale of right and wrong, at all.

[HopeHoops]

1. That asshole couldn't have sex with a watermelon - even if he had a knife to carve a hole.

He'd find SOME way to mess it up.

Hell, a warthog would find him too ugly to fuck.

[Bitwit1234]

2. I dont' think he would rape anybody. BUT

he would put her in certain situations = do his edit and photoshop and make it look like SHE came on to him.

[seabeyond]

6. interesting perspective

i had looked at it from what could possibly accomplish his goal and saw none. i guess this would be a way... edit tape. not like it isnt his mo

as a female, hearing his story, and seeing the set up... it has all the flags

[seabeyond]

16. the reason i pull back from this point though. a woman walking into a boat, confined, restricted,

with dildos, naked pictures of women on wall (i believe) container of condoms, and all the rest would take not a second, not a flash to take it in and walk right out. to have all that stuff set up, and then expect her to sit down and get enough tape to splice stuff together does not jive at all.

[Mimosa]

30. How can you know that, Bitwit?

You don't know him personally. And I bet you're happy about that. ;)

[The Philosopher]

3. How the heck

Is it not sexual harassment? Just because she didn't put herself in that position? There was an intention to go through with this, there's a witness that tipped her off. When I saw the interview the reporter didn't mention if she was going to respond legally or not. I would. What if the douche didn't get what he wanted on tape and decided to act dangerously? She's in a confined area, surrounded by aggressors, in an aggressive environment. Something's got to be done about that.

[aikoaiko]

4. I've seen too cretin a-holes seduce women to think that drugs would be required in this case.

Their success is not rational.

[lame54]

5. I think it's very possible...

that that is what he had planned

to bad they couldn't get a warrant to search the boat

[spanone]

7. a 'sting' that includes sex is close to rape for me.

[Brickbat]

13. Yes indeed.

[antigone382]

22. From what I've read, I don't think he was planning to seriously seduce her, however...

...even if his intention was just to do a "spoof" seduction scene to make some kind of misguided commentary, his tactics were disturbing, to say the least. On the last page of the document published on CNN, his "acting" is discussed: he is to subtly weave a seemingly serious interview with come-ons, confusing her, making her uncomfortable, but continuing to string her along, with the ultimate goal of a "big reveal" expected to shock and humiliate her.

He might have thought he was being edgy and creative, but unfortunately for him, those are the same tactics used against women in social settings, particularly the workplace, for generations. Sexual harrassment is about more than the hope of seduction. I think very often the men who use those tactics know damn well they won't result in getting a woman into bed. What they will do is confuse and degrade her, and in the absence of sexual harrassment laws (put into effect only a few decades ago), leave her constantly battling so much anxiety and humiliation that she poses no perceived threat to the men in positions of power over her.

Certainly, that is made all the much darker by his decision to film this "spoof" on a boat, where there is a definite sense of entrapment. I can only imagine the fear I would experience in a situation like that, perhaps even terror; clearly even his closest female ally in this situation felt the same way. If he failed to grasp the obviously threatening implications of this spoof, that says almost as much about his understanding of women as any belief he may have had that he could actually succeed in seducing her.

[seabeyond]

23. good points. nt

[JI7]

8. Female and that was something that easily came to my Mind ,

[frogmarch]

9. I'm female, and I think

that if he wasn't planning to drug and rape her, he had something else sinister planned - something to make her look bad.

EDIT: ...to make her look bad, even if he had to do a lot of picture/video editing to accomplish it.

[myrna minx]

10. This is sexual predator behavior and I think he had

sinister motives. I wouldn't be surprised at all of he had a supply of rohypnol to use on her for his bizarre fantasy. Interesting poll. Thanks SB. :hi:

[sabrina 1]

11. What he did was exactly what a sexual predator would do.

What's interesting about this guy is that he reveals so much about himself (and those who are behind him) with the elements they use in their stunts.

Their racism is so apparent in all of the stunts they've pulled against ACORN and other organizations.


Eg, they decide to do an 'expose' on ACORN which hires minority workers. What scenario, in his sick mind would be most suited to 'deal with' Blacks and Hispanics? What kind of bait would 'reel them in'? And what he comes up with is Pimps and Whores and Sexual Exploitation of young girls. Because this is what he thinks of Blacks and other minorities. He is the worst kind of racist.

Would have used those same elements if his targets had white, upper-middle class people? I doubt it. His racism has been apparent from the beginning. They react angrily to the fact that Conservatives are viewed as more racist than Liberals, by trying to find a way to BE racist in a public way but try to cover it by claiming they are out to expose others as racists.

Sexism is also always present in their 'stunts'. This little plot was so sexist. First the whole set-up and the childish assumption that even someone as totally unattractive as O'Keefe could seduce a woman, because as we all know women are just whores anyhow.

These are very sick individuals and a real threat to the public in so many ways. John Fund was another 'Conservative Star' who was caught doing some strange things with women also.

I hope CNN now realizes the mistake they made by treating these people as anything other than the criminals they are.

Another rising star in the movement of 'Young Republicans' was arrested a while ago for walking up to a Black Woman in the street, a total stranger, and slapping her in the face. He's supposedly all recovered now and getting on with his 'career'.

Nothing they do will shock those who use them to play the dirty tricks they play. They only care if they are caught. But being a Racist, a Sexual predator and/or deviant, is probably a plus when you work for these sickos, so long as you don't get caught. And even if you do, they will pay a lot of money to defend them.

I blame the media totally. In any other civilized society, this guy and his gang of sick, racist criminals would never have been taken seriously in the first place. Aside from anything else, they are just plain stupid.

[seabeyond]

15. women are just whores anyhow

i think that is what smack me up across the face, immediately. i have been feeling it in the culture the last couples years. the last couple years compared to being alive a really long time, and not feeling this.

this is a very good post. you say a lot of things i was thinking. i wish media or someone would actually spend time taking it seriously and delving into and reporting the mentality of behavior like this.

thanks

[sabrina 1]

20. I think you are right, it has been more noticable over the past

several years as well as the overt racism that a decade ago would not have been as acceptable as it is today. This started with the Iraq War when racists were free to use racial epithets to describe Muslims. And it has only become worse since the election of the President.

As for how women are treated, there are very wealthy people funding O'Keefe and his buddies and I think CNN and other News Orgs. should have exposed those funders long ago. Instead they invited people like O'Keefe and Breitbart to express their 'opinions' as if they were normal people rather than liars, racists and sexists. Never were they confronted by the MSM on what we all knew about them.

I too wish, and hope now that this has happened, that CNN had delved into this story during the ACORN attacks. We all knew they were lying, CNN must have known also. They covered that story from O'Keefe and Gile's point of view, and even after it was revealed that they were liars, CNN never followed up. They just dropped the story never giving the exoneration of ACORN the same amount of time they had given the lies.

And yes, I really wish they would explore the racism and sexism of these individuals. The Reporter who was being set up for a sexual 'hit', should have reported it to the police imo. This cannot be called 'journalism' by any stretch of the imagination, but the MSM has allowed these thugs to claim that they are 'journalists'. It really is a disgrace.

Thank you for comment, I agree with completely on this.

[suffragette]

25. Great points all

And add the under reportage about the plot against Landrieu in there.

This has me wondering again exactly what they were up to in that case.

[seabeyond]

27. yes. nt

[gmoney]

12. Sounds like the plot of "Fraternity Vacation"

A 1985 teen sex "comedy" -- featuring the threadbare premise of the cool dude and the dorky dude both trying to "seduce" a beautiful woman to settle a score (completely objectifying her, of course). At one point, they try to "document" an encounter which fails miserably, but decide that with the help of their local photo lab, they can fake pictures that imply that the dork and the woman had sex. "Hilarity ensues" or not.

Tim Robbins had a secondary role in this relic, much to his chagrin I'm sure.

[prolesunited]

14. Female, and I said rape as soon as the documents came out

It read like a creepy male rape fantasy to me. I don't think he would be violent and use force, but either have her drink or drug her into submission, which is still rape. He "justifies" it by saying she was trying to seduce him, so in his warped mind, she wanted it anyway.

I see him being the guy who has "sex" with the girl who passed out at a party.

I hope he actually does some time for this one. It's not a prank. But, then again, Republicans thought Abu Gihrab abuse was just like frat boy hi-jinks.

[elehhhhna]

17. A boat is the perfect daterape trap. Trust me & my sister on this.

The boat, to me, was the giveaway. Probably was planning on doping her.

[LoZoccolo]

18. male, probably not, and I don't think they've found any of the "props", have they?

First off, I don't think O'Keefe is that stupid as to videotape the rape of a high-profile target and release it to the public.

Second, based on what is in the planning document, it could be that the whole thing is a plot to get a story planted about himself and then repudiate CNN for reporting it based on one source who could have fabricated everything. The only source is Izzy Santa; there are no other accounts that there were any sex toys, hidden cameras, or anything. Izzy Santa could still be his shill, and she actually is still on the payroll of O'Keefe's organization. I actually find that more likely than plotting a seduction or a rape.

[underpants]

19. I would suspect that some weed and blow was in the mix at least at the planning stage

Watching the reporters in-car video she says that O'Keefe wouldn't "come out and meet her" that tells me that he was torked up inside, getting his nerve up to deal with a woman in the only way he knows how.

WANKER

[TexasObserver]

21. male... had to be cause not a chance in hell otherwise

[Initech]

24. Male, and that dude looks way too fucking creepy to ever land *ANY* woman.

[Maru Kitteh]

26. He's a dooooooofux . . AND he's a creeper. . .

but he thinks he's prime grade meat.

[seabeyond]

28. " he thinks he's prime grade meat." he can't. he just can't

people really cant sell themselves on such a story..... really?

[Mimosa]

29. SeaBeyond, I think you're onto something.

When I read the tale, something was clicking, but I couldn't figure out how he and his pal thought they could get what the outcome they wanted. And let's add in that O'Keefe was totally discredited after his caper failed and he was busted at Landrieu's office. An actor friend uses the word 'flopsweat'. I bet that was what O'Keefe has been feeling. So out of desperation emerges a crazy plan... and even this one failed. :7

[seabeyond]

33. i would really like to see this reporter get mad and speak out.... nt

[frustrated_lefty]

31. That wouldn't feed his ambition.

He's got a massive ego, and desperately wants others to perceive him alpha-ness and everything that entails: his masterful intellect, power and virility. I think the little prick really did expect the reporter to fall into bed with him. He's just that much of a borderline sociopath.

[seabeyond]

32. interesting. i find this fascinating. i am pretty pragamtic and reality oriented.

i feel this man doesnt get it much in real life for a number of reasons, though a guess. but a lot of years of experience here on earth, leads me to think that.

his set up on how to seduce pretty much shows his stupid in this.

the reporter is educated, older, good looking, way above him in class. i cant see anyone deluding themselves to the extent to see any of this leads to success.

beyond my thinking.