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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:32 PM
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$27 million to change NYC signs from all-caps!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 04:33 PM by BrklynLiberal
What a crock of crapola..with all that is going on in the world and this country..THIS is what we have to spend taxpayers' money on???????!!!

I am beyond dumbfounded...


$27 million to turn PERRY AV into Perry Av

Does ANYONE find the all caps sign harder to read than the one with lower case letters???

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/million_kuj8X4Z2VolVhXnCymfkvM

The Capital of the World is going lower-case.

Federal copy editors are demanding the city change its 250,900 street signs -- such as these for Perry Avenue in The Bronx -- from the all-caps style used for more than a century to ones that capitalize only the first letters.

Changing BROADWAY to Broadway will save lives, the Federal Highway Administration contends in its updated Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices, citing improved readability.

At $110 per sign, it will also cost the state $27.6 million, city officials said.

"We have already started replacing the signs in The Bronx," city Transportation Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan told The Post. 'We will have 11,000 done by the end of this fiscal year, and the rest finished by 2018."

It appears e.e. cummings was right to eschew capital letters, federal officials explain.

Studies have shown that it is harder to read all-caps signs, and those extra milliseconds spent staring away from the road have been shown to increase the likelihood of accidents, particularly among older drivers, federal documents say.

The new regulations also require a change in font from the standard highway typeface to Clearview, which was specially developed for this purpose.

As a result, even numbered street signs will have to be replaced.

"Safety is this department's top priority," Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said last year, in support of the new guidelines. "These new and updated standards will help make our nation's roads and bridges safer for drivers, construction workers and pedestrians alike."

The Highway Administration acknowledged that New York and other states "opposed the change, and suggested that the use of all upper-case letters remain an option," noting that "while the mixed-case words might be easier to read, the amount of improvement in legibility did not justify the cost."

To compensate for those concerns, in 2003, the administration allowed for a 15-year

phase-in period ending in 2018.

Although the city did not begin replacing the signs until earlier this year, Sadik-Khan said they will have no trouble meeting the deadline, as some 8,000 signs a year are replaced annually simply due to wear and tear.

The new diminutive signs, which will also feature new reflective sheeting, may also reflect a kinder, gentler New York, she said.

"On the Internet, writing in all caps means you are shouting," she said. "Our new signs can quiet down, as well."


Harder to read all caps!!? They have gotta be kidding!!!!!
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:34 PM
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1. hOW AbOUt a COMpRoMIsE fOR $13 mIlLiON?
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:34 PM
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2. Makes the same amount of sense to me.....
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:35 PM
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3. Coming from a long typography background, I can tell you it's true.
However the all caps street signs are iconic, to me at least.

Whenever I visit NYC I enjoy the sight of the all caps signs.

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:36 PM
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4. So, a Bush appointee is in charge of signs at the Federal Highway Administration?
It would seem so - would make more sense if the org with the sign concession were one of the Bush brothers. (Started in 2003)

Actually, this article is kind of nonsensical. They have 15 years to change the signs. Most would likely be replaced prior to 2018 or are already due for replacement.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:36 PM
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5. It's not quite as crazy as the NYP makes it
Here's a somewhat less-apocalyptic version of the same story from Topeka that's a little heavier on actual facts: http://cjonline.com/news/local/2010-09-29/city_abiding_by_federal_mandate
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:47 PM
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11. Wow..It sure does contain ALOT more info....altho I am still ot sure abouthe $27,000,000 price tag.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:36 PM
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6. Reading all-caps is much more difficult.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:59 PM
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46. yes it is. if you are reading it in sentences.
THIS IS THE ROAD THAT TAKES YOU TO THE NEXT INTERSECTION ROAD/STREET/AVENUE/BAY/WHATNOT THAT IS CALLED ANOTHER NAME! THE NAME OF THIS INTERSECTION IS NOW Broadway INSTEAD OF BROADWAY.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:37 PM
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7. That is some amazingly silly shit. n/t
PB
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:37 PM
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8. Uhm, the all caps versions looked better.
Problem solved.

I'll take the $27 mil off their hands if they just want to waste millions of dollars.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:12 PM
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28. Hell, I'll give them a bargain ...
and lowball your bid.

I'll take $2 million. And smile!

;)
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:54 AM
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37. Lol, are you sure you want to do that?
With the way that government seems to be working, you might want to bid higher than me. That money is burning a hole in their pockets to get spent. :P
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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:38 PM
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9. My reaction was similar to yours when I heard about this earlier today.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:39 PM
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10. Somebody hand me a black sharpie...
I'll do it for half the cost.


:evilgrin:
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:50 PM
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16. It would have to be a white sharpie.
:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:59 PM
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18. But mine would be in ghetto-font.
:hi:
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:47 PM
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12. Reflective sheeting to cut down on the glare a good idea
But I think all caps are easier to read from a distance, in fact I think they are easier to read in a post. I never bought the “shouting’ thing
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:49 PM
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13. Yes. I do find all-caps harder to read because they are the same size.
At a distance, the shape of the letters, tall short can give you a good guess on the street even if you can't see it clearly. No chance with all caps unless you are right on top of it.

New York street signs have been giving me grief for YEARS.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:50 PM
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14. Someone greased some palms
NY Politics.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 06:22 PM
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26. That was my first thoguht as well. Someone's brother-in-law is in the sign-making business.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:50 PM
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15. I wonder whose Republican brother owns the sign factory?
I have always been under the impression all CAP's are easier to read.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:01 PM
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20. This seems like a common theme with republican-run governments, period.
It's sounds exactly like something our Mayor Peyton and his cronies would do here in Jacksonville, of course AFTER spending big $$ to hire a republican-run group to do a study on it.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 06:23 PM
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27. LOL.
I actually posted my response before I saw yours...
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 04:52 PM
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17. This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.
Edited on Thu Sep-30-10 04:52 PM by smirkymonkey
I live here and I have never had a problem with the signs, nor has anyone else I know. Also, I think all caps are easier to read and they look better. They are very New York.

Hey, how about spending that money on the lame-ass MTA or, like, education or something frivolous like that? :banghead:
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:05 AM
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38. Only if the Post is reporting facts, and not spinning them
It's been known to happen, but it's not the way to bet.

They don't say how the $27M number was arrived at. Is it a separate grant of new money? Or is it calculated from figuring the material costs of new signs, plus the man-hours (and attendant pay) of city workers to do the work of physically replacing them -- by 2018?

If the latter, well, signs have to be replaced periodically anyway, due to weathering and other damage. So when you break it down, how much of that money is "stupidest thing" government waste vs how much could be better characterized as "standard maintenance"?

Which way the Post would spin it could be predicted faster than you can blink. Don't take the bait.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:00 PM
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19. IT'S A GOOD IDEA
AFTER HUNDREDS OF STUDIES AND A GREAT DEAL OF COMMON SENSE DATING BACK TO THE ROMAN EMPIRE, WE KNOW THAT IT'S MUCH EASIER TO READ MIXED-CASE TEXT THAN ALL-CAPS TEXT. AND IN NYC AS ELSEWHERE, MANY PEOPLE WHO CAUSE ACCIDENTS HAVE SAID "I COULDN'T READ WHAT THE SIGN SAID" -- EVEN WHILE THEY ARE STONE-COLD-SOBER.

YOUR RAGE AT THE COST IS ALSO MISPLACED. THE CITY HAS HAD A LONG TIME TO DO THE REPLACEMENT, DURING WHICH MANY IF NOT MOST OF THE SIGNS WOULD BE REPLACED, ANYWAY. AND $27 MILLION IS NOT TOO HIGH A PRICE TO SAVE SEVERAL DOZEN LIVES OVER THE COURSE OF A DECADE OR TWO. THIS LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER CASE OF A CONSERVATIVE NEWS OUTLET CREATING A PHONY SCANDAL.

--D!
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:09 PM
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21. Save lives?
:spray: :rofl:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:10 PM
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22. Your outrage does not supercede facts and statistics.
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:12 PM
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23. bc drivers need the extra milliseconds for texting
maybe they should write the new signs in texting abbreviations. ;-)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:15 PM
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24. What you are doing is referred to as "freaking out" and it's not justified
27 million over 15 years?

Sounds like NYC would spend not a whole lot less replacing signs anyway.

Jeez, if you're given all that detail in an article, at least read and consider not only the cost, but the timeframe, the cost without doing the project this way and so forth.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 05:15 PM
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25. THIS IS HUGH!!!111!!11!! I"M SERIES!!1111!!!
CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!111!!!!!11!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 09:28 PM
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29. Can I have "wasteful government spending" for $400, Alex?
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 10:00 PM
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30. It is harder for some reason.
Try reading a NOAA/NWS bulletin one day. Probably the all-caps format was from Back in the Day when they sent warning via some kind of morse-code radio signal, but those warnings are hard to read.


FLOOD WATCH
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW YORK NY
940 PM EDT THU SEP 30 2010

...HEAVY RAIN TONIGHT INTO FRIDAY...

.LOW PRESSURE WILL TRACK FROM THE CAROLINA COAST TONIGHT...INTO
THE GULF OF MAINE BY FRIDAY EVENING. THE ASSOCIATED TROPICAL
MOISTURE FEED UP THE COAST WILL RESULT IN THE POTENTIAL FOR HEAVY
RAIN ACROSS THE AREA TONIGHT INTO FRIDAY MORNING.

CTZ005>012-NJZ002>006-011-NYZ067>081-011100-
/O.CON.KOKX.FA.A.0006.000000T0000Z-101002T0600Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
NORTHERN FAIRFIELD-NORTHERN NEW HAVEN-NORTHERN MIDDLESEX-
NORTHERN NEW LONDON-SOUTHERN FAIRFIELD-SOUTHERN NEW HAVEN-
SOUTHERN MIDDLESEX-SOUTHERN NEW LONDON-WESTERN PASSAIC-BERGEN-
EASTERN PASSAIC-ESSEX-HUDSON-UNION-ORANGE-PUTNAM-ROCKLAND-
NORTHERN WESTCHESTER-SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER-NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)-
BRONX-RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)-KINGS (BROOKLYN)-QUEENS-NASSAU-
NORTHWESTERN SUFFOLK-NORTHEASTERN SUFFOLK-SOUTHWESTERN SUFFOLK-
SOUTHEASTERN SUFFOLK-
940 PM EDT THU SEP 30 2010

...FLOOD WATCH REMAINS IN EFFECT THROUGH LATE FRIDAY NIGHT...

THE FLOOD WATCH CONTINUES FOR

* PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN CONNECTICUT...NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY AND
SOUTHEAST NEW YORK...INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING AREAS...IN
SOUTHERN CONNECTICUT...NORTHERN FAIRFIELD...NORTHERN
MIDDLESEX...NORTHERN NEW HAVEN...NORTHERN NEW LONDON...
SOUTHERN FAIRFIELD...SOUTHERN MIDDLESEX...SOUTHERN NEW HAVEN
AND SOUTHERN NEW LONDON. IN NORTHEAST NEW JERSEY...BERGEN...
EASTERN PASSAIC...ESSEX...HUDSON...UNION AND WESTERN PASSAIC.
IN SOUTHEAST NEW YORK...BRONX...KINGS (BROOKLYN)...NASSAU...
NEW YORK (MANHATTAN)...NORTHEASTERN SUFFOLK...NORTHERN
WESTCHESTER...NORTHWESTERN SUFFOLK...ORANGE...PUTNAM...
QUEENS...RICHMOND (STATEN ISLAND)...ROCKLAND...SOUTHEASTERN
SUFFOLK...SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER AND SOUTHWESTERN SUFFOLK.

* THROUGH LATE FRIDAY NIGHT

* LOW PRESSURE WILL TRACK FROM THE CAROLINA COAST TONIGHT...INTO
EASTERN PORTIONS OF THE TRI-STATE ON FRIDAY. A STRONG SOUTHERLY
FLOW WILL TRANSPORT TROPICAL MOISTURE NORTHWARD AHEAD OF THE
LOW...RESULTING IN THE POTENTIAL FOR VERY HEAVY RAIN.

* RAINFALL TOTALS OF TWO AND ONE HALF TO FOUR AND ONE HALF INCHES
ARE LIKELY ACROSS THE TRI-STATE THROUGH FRIDAY EVENING...WITH
LOCALLY HIGHER AMOUNTS POSSIBLE. THE HEAVIEST RAIN THIS EVENING
WILL BE MAINLY WEST OF NEW YORK CITY...WITH THIS AXIS SHIFTING
TO THE EAST OVERNIGHT INTO FRIDAY. THIS WILL RESULT IN SHARP
RISES OF FAST RESPONDING RIVERS AND STREAMS. IN ADDITION...THE
INTENSE RAINFALL RATES WILL LEAD TO POSSIBLE FLASH
FLOODING...ESPECIALLY IN URBAN AREAS.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FLOOD WATCH MEANS THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR FLOODING BASED ON
CURRENT FORECASTS. YOU SHOULD MONITOR LATER FORECASTS AND BE
ALERT FOR POSSIBLE FLOOD WARNINGS. THOSE LIVING IN AREAS PRONE TO
FLOODING SHOULD BE PREPARED TO TAKE ACTION SHOULD FLOODING
DEVELOP.

&&

$$
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 10:31 PM
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31. Reading paragraphs is not the same as reading 1or 2 word signs.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:51 PM
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32. True, but I think it still holds
I think that with all-caps signs, the eye and mind spend time looking for the beginning of the word, whereas with proper capitalization the mind homes in on the beginning easily.

:shrug:

Poor signage is characteristic of the Northeast, I think. Having just moved back to Connecticut from the Upper Midwest, the contrast is striking.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 09:34 AM
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40. ..and the signage here is much, much better than it used to be!!!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:46 PM
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42. Oh dear god...
..it must have been absolutely terrible then... although to be fair I've never been to Brooklyn.

But in the Midwest, even the empty rural country roads have a pair of largish signs identifying both streets involved in an intersection. It is literally you, the interesection, soybeans, barbed wire, and the roadsigns.

I'm running around in Fairfield County, CT and they don't bother to label both roads most of the time... and the signs are too small and usually blocked by foliage. :grr:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 03:35 PM
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48. One can find intersections...even in Manhattan..with no street signs..!!!
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 03:35 PM by BrklynLiberal
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-10 11:56 PM
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33. If it's not in all caps, how will freepers be able to read it?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:20 AM
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34. Good
CAPS is bad English and teaches our kids the wrong way when they write.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 01:57 PM
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43. CAPS are bad English

CAPS is being used in the plural form correct :)
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:24 AM
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35. So is it really "costing" us $27M? Or are are we spending this money anyway?
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 12:24 AM by JHB
Replacing signs over 15 years? A timeframe in which nearly all will need to be replaced anyway from wear and tear?

So that money is being spent to replace signs anyway, the only difference us what the new one looks like.

And looky: It's the New York Post front-paging this! The "dead tree" edition of Fox News.

I'll call bullshit: more Murdoch-manufactured outrage so that people have "gumming waste" on the brain, not thievery and corruption by the Wall Street and CEO set.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:34 AM
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36. It's not like we're driving 50 mph trying to read street signs here in NYC
I'll venture to guess that we don't have a plethora of sign reading accidents here.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:38 AM
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39. No shit.
The all-caps in narrow bold sans serif are iconic.

The upper/lower case signs look wussy, like some crappy subdivision in Dumbfuckistan.

But if they want to mix it up I'd be okay with the 1960s lower case sanitation truck Helvetica.

Excellent article about NYC and typefaces:

http://www.aiga.org/content.cfm/the-mostly-true-story-of-helvetica-and-the-new-york-city-subway?recache=1%3DExperience%2BDesign%3Djudiciously%3D1%3D4&pp=2
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 12:13 PM
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41. GREAT article. Thanks.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:52 PM
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44. Thanks
I have a sign from the 60s Unimark subway sign redo in Standard Medium. My SO got it for me on eBay.

It's from the BMT Bay Ridge Av station. AKA 69th St. Of course signage for anyplace called "69th St" would last about five minutes before independent appropriation commenced. So Bay Ridge Av it is, and that's my theory as to why the "other" name. :-)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 03:33 PM
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47. LOL. I have friends who came from NYC and now live elsewhere. Almost everyone of them has a
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 03:33 PM by BrklynLiberal
street sign or subway sign from NYC hanging somewhere in their home.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 03:51 PM
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49. I'm a former RR regular before it was the R
and went by BR Ave station every day commuting to school. (I attended the same high school in Manhattan as Justice Kagan)
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 04:36 PM
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52. LOL I used to take the QB from Sheepshead Bay! Talk about long lost memories.
It then became the D, and for some stupid reason, after some massive changes they made the D into the B and the B into the D..duh!!

All kinds of crazy things happening around here now.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 07:16 PM
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53. Ah, but do you remember the T?
Not my favorite express train since I had to transfer at 36th instead of 59th, but still a viable option.

PS, ZOMG here's a photo with a sign just like mine:
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 08:47 PM
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54. I do not think I recall the "T"....Was that a Bay Ridge line?
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 11:51 PM
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55. West End (Coney Island) line
Was subsumed into the B in the mid to late 60s.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-10 07:34 AM
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58. oh.. I did not move to Brooklyn until 66. I grew up in Queens...Far Rockaway to be exact.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 03:51 PM
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50. dupe
Edited on Fri Oct-01-10 03:52 PM by musette_sf
double post
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 02:55 PM
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45. those bloody Capitalists! OMFGWTF!
strange world.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-10 03:58 PM
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51. IT'S OVER 9000!!!!!!
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-10 12:26 AM
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56. The title case signs are actually harder to read, imo.
Yuck.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-10 01:48 AM
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57. Mostly they are replacing the signs as they wear out
So they would have to be replaced anyway. The signs are just being replaced with ones that meet the new standards. Even the NYP article includes this fact:

"Although the city did not begin replacing the signs until earlier this year, Sadik-Khan said they will have no trouble meeting the deadline, as some 8,000 signs a year are replaced annually simply due to wear and tear."
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