Orson Scott Card - homophobe. . .

[mzteris]

i\If you won't quit buying his books because

- - he's a hack;

- - he has a "Christ complex";

- - he believes in bullying (under the guise of anti-bullying) and EXTREME VIOLENCE;

- - he's advocated some pretty weird, sleazy, and creepy ideas (e.g. "an adult male having "ghost" sex with an adolescent female; using his dead son in a book about child molesters and missing children);


then please STOP BUYING HIS BOOKS BECAUSE:

He's a member of NOM and viruently homophobic! He even advocates for the criminalization of homosexuality. http://nomexposed.org/the-facts/rogues-gallery/orson-scott-card/

[stray cat]

1. Is he really your biggest threat in the world in your opinion?

And the author with the moast influence

[ThatPoetGuy]

3. So, only the biggest threat matters?

Orson Scott Card might not be as big a scumbag as Rush Limbaugh, so I'll give him money! Rush Limbaugh isn't as dangerous as Fox News, so I'll give him money!

/sarcasm.

What a bizarre, unhealthy argument.

To the OP: thanks for raising people's awareness.

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[unapatriciated]

11. maybe not the biggest but certainly not worth reading

or supporting. Why do you object to this being pointed out?


btw I hate it when the first comment on an op is negative and has no real substance. It only encourages me to read and reply. Was that your intent?

[MattBaggins]

15. The LDS spent millions pushing prop H8 in California

Where do you think they got the money? Card is one of those sources.

[Tunkamerica]

2. i went to highschool with his kids.

he writes for a local paper.

i won't say anything else besides i tend to agree.

[SidDithers]

4. OK. I'll only get his books from the library..

As far as his views on homosexuality, does that make him significantly different from other Mormans?

Sid

[Ladyhawk]

5. When I was a right-winger, I stopped buying Men at Work's albums because...

...they were gay.

I'm not going to stop buying Orson Scott Card's books because I don't agree with his opinions.

I don't come here much anymore because of attitudes like this. Both the right wing and the left wing are helping to kill the country. Luckily there really isn't much any of us can do because corporations have their hands quite firmly on the reins. In the meantime I have no energy to hate those who don't believe the same way I do. When we go down, we're all going down together.

How am I supposed to get along with my right-wing, fundamentalist family if I'm always reading shit like this and letting myself become inflamed with passions that make me just as fanatical as they are?

For me the answer is to let go of what I cannot change. And who here still believes his or her opinions or vote or demonstrations or rallies are going to change a thing? Those ways of change are no longer open to us, so what the fuck do we do?

I don't know what you're going to do, but I'm going to try to be as happy as I can for as long as I can because my health and family relations have suffered as a direct result of becoming too involved with sites like this.

Oh, and feel free to flame me all you want if it makes you feel better. I can't afford to take any of you seriously. It took me over twelve thousand posts to figure that out. So, "Ta-ta." I wish you well.

Flame wars? Ladyhawk don't play that.

[MattBaggins]

16. I won't buy his books because that is how

disgusting laws such as Prop H8 get funded. He believes he should use his money to actually criminalize and destroy the lives of people who happen to be gay.

But you go ahead and play all self righteous and scold those of us who wish to not help support such people.

[Occulus]

18. Amazing, isn't it? n/t

[Codeine]

21. Men at Work weren't gay. nt

[Lyric]

22. That's an awful lot of self-righteous for one little post.

[hunter]

30. Hello, Ladyhawk.

:hi:

On an Orson Scott Card thread???

This burning tire of a universe often surprises and delights me.

[Systematic Chaos]

35. You "stopped buying their albums?"

After which one? Their rather mediocre seventh one, or their experimental twelfth one which won enormous critical acclaim but sold poorly, thus ending their career in 2006?

Um...they only released three albums, and the third barely registered a blip on the radar. That doesn't give a whole lot of wiggle room regarding when you "stopped buying their albums." Furthermore, neither of the two main members are gay, and at least one of the other three former members isn't either. Wikipedia doesn't have information on the other two members' marital status.

So -- read your nice little books by your sick, pathetic homophobe "writer" and take your made-up stories to a place where people are dumb enough to buy them. :)

[DCKit]

7. Thanks for the heads-up. I'll slap his books out of any hands that hold them. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

8. He's a conservative activist and unreadable hack

also an insufferable bore.

[KamaAina]

9. Get Ender's Game at your friendly local used book store

for all intents and purposes, you will have read Card.

[Motown_Johnny]

12. agreed that is his best work, but the entire series is worth reading

each book being less impressive than the previous one.

[metapunditedgy]

28. I wish I had not read the second and third books. I say that about very few books, but

it was a waste of my time. He apparently read Hesse's "Glass Bead Game" and wanted to ride the coattails. He did so badly.

The first book was an enjoyable read, though.

[eridani]

31. But it takes a Harry Harrison to REALLY drive a good idea straight into the ground

Bill the Galactic Hero--parody classic. All subsequent books in the series = shit. Ditto the Stainless Steel Rat.

[Posteritatis]

24. Pretty much

I liked Game (and yes, would-be lecturers, I'm aware of various issues in it); I found Ender's Shadow interesting from a writing perspective, but couldn't get into the Game sequels and the Shadow ones were Risk fanfiction.

[Fumesucker]

10. Card flipped out some years back..

He used to be just about the opposite of a right winger, indeed for quite a few years he did something he called "The Secular Humanist Revival Meeting" at Cons. I used to have a tape of it many years ago and he was really great.

You can read about what Card used to say and believe here.

http://mooreslore.corante.com/archives/2005/06/06/second_secular_humanist_revival_meeting.php

[Codeine]

13. The Secular Humanist Revival Meeting was great!

"Gravity: It just sits and sucks!"

But to be honest, he has always been a pretty mediocre writer; had he been writing in anything other than a ghettoized and relatively uncritical genre like SF he would never have made a name for himself.

[Fumesucker]

19. Card was very uneven, IMO..

I found his description of the world of Path in Xenocide compelling, using OCD to contain and hobble a superior intelligence was both great and horrible at the same time.

A good bit of his stuff though was not up to his occasional flashes of brilliance..

Card however won both Hugo and Nebula awards in two successive years, the only author ever to do that particular feat.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

20. I think he either found Jesus or 9/11 scared him into becoming a neocon.

Either way his stuff is mostly mediocre.

[Fumesucker]

23. I think it's the latter..

9/11 screwed up a lot of people in a lot of ways.

[Hissyspit]

32. No excuse. If he's so fucking smart as he thinks he is,

9/11 wouldn't have come as a surprise at all.

[eridani]

34. A Mormon Christopher Hitchens n/t

[InvisibleTouch]

14. Color me not surprised.

I met him some years ago, and he was an arrogant ass.

The shame is, he's a good writer. If I ever do get the urge to read one of his recent works, though, I will check out the local library.

[saltpoint]

17. Agree with Kama Aina and Motown Johnny -- the

ENDER'S GAME series is Card's best, most direct work, and maybe one or two of the short stories.

As for lyrical range and pure writing talent, he's no Ray Bradbury.

[Liberal Veteran]

25. He and Terry Goodkind would have wonderful children together.

:rofl:

[Codeine]

27. Just keep Marion Zimmer Bradley and her husband away from them. nt

[tledford]

26. I live in the same city he lives in.

Greensboro, NC. He is considered a local loon. I've read a few of his books: Eh.

[joshcryer]

29. I don't pay money for books.

[Mimosa]

33. I never heard of him. Am I missing anything? n/t

[Systematic Chaos]

36. Only if you're a rabid sci-fi or fantasy fan.

And even then, there are only a few good books out of the lot. So basically: No, you're not.

[mzteris]

37. a few seem like a "good read" -

but on analysis, you can see what a sick jerk he is.

The "fabulous" Ender's Game - is a twisted book about extreme violence and "guiltless" revenge. (Typical right wing stuff): Oh - I don't WANT to hurt you. Don't MAKE ME HURT you. Oh - look, you made me hurt you and kill you. I didn't want to beat the shit out of you, but it's all your fault you know...

Great message to be sending the kids that read it.

Here's a better treatise on it: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm

[mwooldri]

38. Card. By name, by nature.

He is such a card! Literally.

We have the pleasure of being able to obtain his weekly thoughts and such in the local Rhino Times - a freebie conservative paper.

Enough said, Mark.