European map according to many Americans

[sixmile]

http://kottke.org/10/09/european-map-according-to-americans

Courtesy of kottke.org

[itsrobert]

1. That's not funny and it's hogwash

Why are you insulting Americans?

[sixmile]

5. Free Market insults

It's a living!

[whathehell]

26. The most important aspect of American ignorance on THIS board

is not realizing how equally ignorant the other nationalities are!



*The sizeable share of masochists and self-haters here may want to ignore that fact, however.

[Bluebear]

90. blah blah blah blah /ignore

enough

[whathehell]

95. No "stones" ?

:rofl:

[Posteritatis]

9. Because in terms of their views of the broader world they often deserve it? (nt)

[whathehell]

27. Because even if that's not the truth, many others around the world..

feel better about our super power status when they tell themselves that?

Just a guess.:P

[whathehell]

71. Because of "their" views?...You mean like "you people" or "those people"?

Oh right...You're not one of "us"...and you've probalby never met ANY dumb Nova Scotians, right?

Well, if you haven't, I have, lol.

BTW, Does Nova Scotia have a political board that will let me come on and insult them?

Nah..I didn't think so.

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[Posteritatis]

33. Classy. (nt)

[whathehell]

44. Not sure its "classy" to come onto a foreign board and insult the citizens either

[truebrit71]

109. Half of young Americans can't find New York State on a map..it ain't hogwash...

...read it and weep..

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html

[lukasahero]

120. That's appalling

:wow:

[ieoeja]

122. Lighten up, Francis.

:)

[earth mom]

123. The reason the U.S. is in the trouble is because the stupid of the masses is at an ALL TIME HIGH!

Anyone who continues to buy into the bogus war on terror or that the wars the U.S. is involved in are justified is a bloody fool! :eyes:

Or how about those fundie nutcases who refuse to believe that dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago? :freak:

Then we've got the ignorant racist teabaggers who are so damn stupid they think that socialism is evil, among many other idiotic views they hold! :crazy:

Wake up and see the stupidity because it's alive and well in the good ole U.S.of A.!

[Brickbat]

2. I hadn't seen some of the other ones...hilarious!

[TexasObserver]

3. nothing wrong with a little humor

[onager]

6. Agreed. I'm a well-traveled American and I think it's hilarious.

My job has taken me all over the world. I've lived overseas for nearly 6 years, in Muslim countries no less.

Of course, folks in other countries have their own stereotypes about Americans, which are often just as funny as that map.

[whathehell]

36. ..and of course, WE have funny stereotypes on DU about other countries that are

"just as funny" too, Right?

Umm..no, because THAT would be "bigoted", wouldn't it?...We're only allowed to hate ourselves, it seems.

[whathehell]

28. ...But when it's always one way?

I suspect a "little humor" about OTHER nationalities here would be met by cries of "intolerance" "bigotry", etc.

Self-hatred...It sucks.

[EFerrari]

4. That's hilarious.

lol

[Greyhound]

7. I think they've overestimated the geographical knowledge of Americans.

A majority can't point to Europe, let alone an individual nation.
:kick: & R

[tigereye]

10. incredible. I remember a friend who had no idea that England was an island.

[Greyhound]

11. My favorite to this day is the elementary school teacher who could not recall

ever hearing of Betsy Ross.:dunce:

Disclaimer; I haven't watched TeeVee for some years, so I'm sure there are much better examples today.

[tigereye]

13. sadly I think there are many, many more - Jay Leno had a bit called jaywalking

where he would ask folks questions about history, etc. and the level of ignorance was astonishing, unless it was all a put-on. Hard to tell.

[customerserviceguy]

18. I'm sure it's heavily edited

What comedic value is there in showing that someone knows something, unless it's to show a bit later that they don't know something that is also common knowledge?

[tigereye]

21. sadly I think we are greatly amused by ignorance...

[customerserviceguy]

22. Would Jerry Springer

and all those judge shows be on if we weren't?

[whathehell]

29. Have you ever seen the "television lineup" of shows in other countries?

Trust me, much of it is not impressive -- In fact, a lot of "their" shows are OUR shows, at least in Britain and Canada...

Take a look over at Amazon.com.uk...You'll be amazed at how many American series air there and then "best sell" as DVD packages.

[Iterate]

37. It works the other way as well.

In fact, if I had to guess I'd say the UK is the greatest source. Socialist TV can be pretty productive.

[whathehell]

40. The "greatest source" of what? n/t

[Iterate]

48. I was suggesting that the UK

had perhaps exported more TV shows and show ideas to the US than it had imported. That's all, and I'd hardly be proud of doing some sort of TV show genealogy and gold medal count right now. I think it's far more important to realize that what matters is the open exchange of ideas which makes all countries richer for the effort.

BTW, yes TV does suck in a lot of other countries, but I don't see that they watch very much of it, except of course for the ubiquitous football.

[whathehell]

51. But a quick check of Amazon.com.uk would suggest that assertion to be wrong..

...but I see you're doing a little backpedaling now.

"BTW, yes TV does suck in a lot of other countries.."

Well, thanks, at least, for the confirmation...I can assure you that it will surprise many on here, so accustomed are they to being berated for some sort of imagined uniqueness in the "stupid" department.

As for this: " but I don't see that they watch very much of it, except of course for the ubiquitous football".

Well, you may not "see" it..just as you didn't see that tv around the world is less than wonderful, right away either...Unless you've got links to some stats which would say otherwise, implying that other countries do NOT "watch that much of it" is pure conjecture on your part...Having made ONE concession on the subject of television, you seem to be scrambling for a way to find SOMETHING that makes non-Americans "superior".

[Iterate]

73. Only an American would be sensitive about having/not having the best TV

in the world. Really, no one else gives a shit.

So since you seem to think that trying to find common ground for agreement is somehow equal to backpedaling, let me first hope that you don't work for the State Department, and second, do my best to avoid any possible common ground.

You do know, don't you, that a large part of Europe buys its DVDs through Amazon.uk so that they can get better prices and a better language selection, and that they like to see shows in their original language, possibly subtitled? And that would impossibly skew your in-depth analysis?

Did you ever consider that their TV sucks, not because they are stupid, but because they have smaller national markets, less resources, and a smaller language market? And that they watch less TV and don't give a shit.

Funny you should ask about a link, because before posting the last time I was curious and did happen to look it up:

SOURCE: Figures for European countries are from Andries van den Broek, 'Leisure across Europe. Comparing 14 populations, conveying 1 pattern' (Paper to International Association for Time Use Research, Annual Conference, Lisbon, 2002). The American figure is from Sanchez-Tabernero, Media Concentration in Europe. The Australian figure is from Australian Commercial Television 1986-1995 (Bureau of Transport and Communication Economics, AGPS, Canberra, 1996)As of 2005 and from

US and UK 28 hours per person per week
# 3 Italy: 27 hours per person per week
= 4 Ireland: 23 hours per person per week
= 4 France: 23 hours per person per week
= 4 Germany: 23 hours per person per week
# 7 Australia: 22 hours per person per week
= 8 Denmark: 20 hours per person per week
= 8 Netherlands: 20 hours per person per week
# 10 Belgium: 19 hours per person per week
= 11 Finland: 18 hours per person per week
= 11 Norway: 18 hours per person per week
= 11 Sweden: 18 hours per person per week

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_tel_vie-media-television-viewing

Definitely less.

I can think of only one thing, and one thing only that makes non-Americans superior, and that is the very notion of American superiority held by insecure Americans.

From 2002-2003 on it was the one thing that people from all over the world universally volunteered to me as something they didn't like about Americans, and it was the hubris of that stupid invasion that made them feel compelled to seek me out.

And not one of them even knew someone who knew someone who knew someone in their own lands who thought that the question of "who's best" was even a valid question. They know there a lot of smart people, good food, and rich culture in every country and the very notion that one country would be so insecure as to think that it was somehow "best" was abhorrent and more than a little bit puzzling. Nobody else gives a shit about such dumb questions, and nobody else would get wound up by a dumb little satire. Got it?

[whathehell]

74. LOL...No one but a Euro..

would twist what was said only to contradict him or herself in the process....Got it?

Re: No one "gives a shit"?...Clearly, YOU do, or you wouldn't have gone to this much work!B-)

You are struggling to fit anybody who disagrees with you into some pre-formed stereotype about Americans....

American "insecurity"?..Please..Frankly, I think much of the European US-bashing comes from a deep resentment at no longer possessing the military power they once had....After all, if you really felt "superior", your vaunted (if relatively new,) humanism would kick in to restrain all that gleeful condescension

There is really no point in arguing about who is superior to whom. The claim of American superiority is propagated by our right wing to distract their supporters, who are actually getting screwed by right wing policies. This propaganda is often proclaimed loudly, but it is not necessarily widely believed.

This is a liberal blog, and DU participants are not even at all impressed by the right wing noise machine. However, we do appreciate a sense of fairness and a recognition that there are distortions around all national perceptions.

We liberal Americans look at ourselves in the mirror often....Euros should do the same.

[Iterate]

87. Wrong, wrong, and wrong again.

Cute that Euro thing, but wrong and it sounds like you couldn't be bothered to type out "Eurotrash". Pure Midwest boy here, weaned straight to coffee, sweet corn, and voting a very left Democratic ticket. I was the guy who spent grade school recess arguing politics between innings.

Wrong about work, nothing to it, as I seem to spend most of my time telling Europeans that the USA is a big and complicated place, and trying to tell Americans that other people around the world know a thing or two as well and are not a bunch of dumbasses begging for the USA to tell them how they should live.

Wrong about "superiority", as I explicitly stated, I think there is none. The question of perceived superiority comes in only when right-wing tries to make my fellow Ami's feel bad when they see that other people are smart enough to have a good idea that might not be profitable to the chosen.

And never, not once have I heard a whisper or seen a line of text since Thatcher that even hints there is any MIC envy. That's because it doesn't exist, a fantasy of those who think it should exist. And humanism...did you think somehow that I didn't have a continuous history of humanist thought? An assumption about my background?

Moving on...come on, "recognition that there are distortions around all national perceptions." Now wasn't that the point of that silly satire you spent so much time railing against?

So now who is it that's got a problem with stereotypes? Got your mirror handy?

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[Iterate]

102. That's too bad as I thought we were becoming friends.

I mean, I did try to play nice...

regardless of that, my new clock addict friends here have put down their beers and dirty porn long enough to offer to send you a beer stein or cuckoo clock.

They like Americans very much and remark often about how friendly and warm they are, "very nice people," they say, "but some are not very bright." They also are quick to offer to put you up if you should ever come visit, though I would caution you they never stop smoking. Are you a cheese-head from Wisconsin? We have cheese-heads here too, just up the road in The Netherlands. Wonderful, wonderful people who drive very slowly and have a good sense of humor about themselves.

Ciao!

[whathehell]

104. "They like Americans very much and remark often about how friendly and warm they are"

"very nice people," they say, "but some are not very bright."

Gee..Had they added something on our "singing and dancing" skills, I'd imagine myself in '50s Memphis hearing a discussion on "Negroes".

Try again.:rofl:

[Iterate]

108. Luckily, most people around the world know the difference between good-natured

ribbing about common human foibles (as neighboring states often do), and hateful, vile, or ill-intentioned attacks. One is comic, one is not, and that is where I draw the line as well.

EOM

[whathehell]

121. Fail.

"Common human foibles"

You mean like stupidity?..Yeah, right..Maybe you should talk to African-Americans about those "good natured" stereotypes.

Hint: Anytime someone speaks of a group not theirs and mentions that "some" of them are..blah blah, they actually mean "most". Otherwise it would go unsaid as it's clear that "some" of any group are, for instance, "not so smart".

Get it?

[whathehell]

32. ..Was Benny Hill much better?.

and was it aimed at British intellectuals

It ran successfully for quite a long time as I remember. n/t

[customerserviceguy]

34. Well, Benny Hill never tried to pass itself off as reality

and the crap that passes for daytime TV in America fills peoples' minds with all sorts of delusionary ideas. I guess if you're stuck at home in the middle of the afternoon, without a job because of unemployment or disability, you take comfort in knowing that your life is better than the losers featured on those types of shows.

[whathehell]

38. Do you know that Europe and other countries have "reality shows" too?

To paraphrase Joe Biden, we shouldn't judge ourselves by the myth of other countries, we should judge ourselves by their reality....The problem is, most of us don't know it any better than they know ours.

[malletgirl02]

43. Reality Shows

Many reality shows came from Britain. Also if you want to see crazy TV, watch some Japanese game shows.

[whathehell]

47. Riiiight....There not just for Americans anymore !..there for low-brows Everywhere!

and remember: Beating ourselves up is not a requirement for being a Democrat!

[hfojvt]

68. are you sure about that last part?

Showing contempt for the rest of the country does seem to be a requirement to be a progressive.

[whathehell]

70. I'm sure of it...The "lets show contempt for the rest of the country" progressives here may not be.

[tigereye]

105. yeah, it often seems like land of the brain-dead out there on cable...

I mean, how obscure can these shows get? :wtf:

[whathehell]

57. Sadly, it seems others are too...at our expense.

What's even more sad is seeing us cheering them on.

[Marr]

14. In her defense, Betsy Ross is not a legitimate historical figure.

Her story was manufactured by some of descendants, who were hoping to drum up tourism, IIRC.

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[whathehell]

23. I've known Euros who didn't know where California was..

and thought "all Americans got married four and five times"

Incredible!:D

[depakid]

78. The difference is that most Americans

as opposed to most Europeans or :gasp: Australians, are not only ignorant about other nations- even where they are on a map, but willfully and often proudly and profoundly so.

Part of that stems of course from the fact that they're taught from a very early age that they're "the best" in everything- and that the rest of the world revolves around them.

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[depakid]

81. Wasn't always an Aussie- but thanks for proving the point I was making

Come to think of it, this could also stem from the fact that most Americans don't even have a passport- much less enough paid vacation time to actually travel outside their own borders or continent.

Then again, one would first have to have the interest to do so (and know on a map where they'd be going)!

See, e.g. Ms. Teen South Carolina explaining why 1/5 of Americans can't find America on a world map: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

[whathehell]

83. Hell, , I'm glad you're one now..It means you won't be coming here, thank god.

Come think of THIS...How many "stralians" have a passport?..We've got about 15 million Americans WITH passports...How's that compare to 'Stralia?

Fact is, mate, until recently we didn't need passports to go to Canada or Mexico...And another fact is more Americans visit Europe than the other way around..Of course, Euros no longer NEED a passport for most of Europe, do they?..Hell, they don't even need a six to ten hour transatlantic flight!...It only takes them a few hours to go to France, for instance, should they be coming from the UK....It takes me four hours to go from Chicago to St. Louis..It's a BIG freakin' country, mate!

The fact that you all get MUCH more vacation time than we do doesn't hurt either, does it?...With all that, mate, we STILL outnumber the euros, and I would bet the 'stralians, in visiting THEIR countries as opposed to their visiting OUR country...Now what do ya make of that?

I understand the Aussie's resentment mate, and me spouse and me's experienced it firsthand..Hell, they don't have the "culture" and the "history" of the Euros..and they don't have the power and high profile of the yanks...The Canucks are the same, I suspect...Hell, the pair of ya never got full independence from the Brits!.

Shame, all 'dat..I can see how it leaves ye feeling all resentful and "insecure" like.

:nopity:

[depakid]

89. As far as the "power" and "profile"

I suspect you'll be seeing some money flowing into the states from Oz, considering the strength of the economy, low unemployment, high wages and the Aussie dollar nearly at parity.

Might just help some of your ailing small businesses survive for another year. ;)

As to the number of Aussies with passports, a rough guess would be at least half- which considering the population, would approach the US in raw numbers.

[whathehell]

93. When you're able to do better than a "rough guess"

with something like a link, you might merit some attention..In the meantime, judging by your Forum, you aren't doing well enough to even have a "decent" political forum of your own!


BTW, it's clear you didn't know what I meant by "power" and "profile", :rofl:

[depakid]

94. It's obvious everywhere in the world what you meant

and we in other nations around the world shake out heads while you laugh at others in the face of inexorable decline.

Ignorance and impoverishment are their own rewards, I suppose- though we're not beyond feeling sorry for you (if for no other reason than the loss of willingly throwing away your potential).

[whathehell]

97. Let me put it this way, kid

If we are "declining"...You NEVER WERE.

When you actually grow the stones to even acquire independence from "Mother England"..You MAY get something like a listen.

[whathehell]

84. P.S. ..Didn't prove shit, mate..

but thanks for playing, lol.

[Posteritatis]

35. A Maine resident asked me where Canada was once. (nt)

[EFerrari]

12. My Cultural Anthropology prof started every semester with a geography unit

because no one knew where anything was. :blush:

[Bluebear]

20. +

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[whathehell]

25. Speak for yourself and your social circle, Greyhound..

but a blanket put down of that order needs a link.

Got one?

[JDPriestly]

8. Accurate!

[whathehell]

69. Speak for yourself, honey..

It's not "accurate" for me or anyone I know..but good luck with the self-hatred thing!

[JDPriestly]

124. I've lived in five different countries, and in in each country, the people

have strange ideas about what people in other countries are like, what they do, who they are. The North Germans think the South Germans are lazy. And the South Germans have an equally negative stereotype of the North Germans. It begins to seem really funny after you've lived in a few places. It isn't the stereotypes themselves that are accurate, it's the existence of the stereotypes that is so accurate. I realized after I got your post that you might have thought I agreed with the labels put on the countries. No. I agree with the fact that we tend to think of other countries as "Oh, they're like that." That is what is accurate, not the labels themselves.

[WillieW]

15. insulting!

[mix]

16. I doubt it's that sophisticated. nt

[Alameda]

17. unfortunately, I don't think many US Citizens are that knowledgeable

............and I used to give public lectures. The questions & comments were amazing. Most did not even realize Egypt is in Africa.

[customerserviceguy]

19. If you want to help a young person learn something about the world

Start them on the hobby of stamp collecting. Researching the places where the stamps come from and the subjects pictured on them is what makes me pretty proficient at being able to identify things on a map.

[whathehell]

30. Unfortunately, I suspect you're "sampling" may be too small

to draw that conclusion about 300 MILLION people

I don't know where you gave "public lectures" or what the subject matter was, but I not only attend, public lectures, but watch them on stations like C-span all the time, and the Q & A is generally amenable to the level of the discussion.

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[whathehell]

53. Yes, I get "worked up" when someone calls ME or my countrymen "stupid"..It's called "self-respect",

go figure.

Show me your "facts"...How much do you want to be that in fact, genius, I have seen more of the world than YOU have?

Duuuuh...Read the other posts if you don't believe me...Reality shows play in Europe and Japan...

Sadly it's YOUR ignorance of the "rest of the world" that has you believing YOU and your countrymen are "stupid".

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[Lucian]

63. I'm sure.

Everyone's IQ here is in the gifted range. Haven't you read the threads here about IQ?

:eyes:

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[whathehell]

67. Where are the mods?..I've alerted on this personal attack three times. n/t

[truebrit71]

111. Not stupid...ignorant, quite possibly...especially about geography..

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/roper2006/findings.html

They aren't "facts" just the results of a survey. Is that good enough for you?

[awoke_in_2003]

54. my I be the first to say...

that we are all glad you are here to put us in our place and defend americans :sarcasm: Hint- the OP was a FUCKING JOKE, so lighten up, Francis.

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[woo me with science]

106. Yeah, well, we don't want to force them to learn countries and stuff

as long as they have the critical thinking skills to look it up.

Rote learning is so stifling.

[MrScorpio]

31. Only to people who have never left this country...

Since I actually spent some time there, my map kinda looked like this:



I'm ready to go back any time.

[whathehell]

64. Yeah...and there seems to be a lot here!...Maybe they ARE talking about themselves!

[DCBob]

39. My favorite is the world according to Sarah Palin.. remember that one?

[flvegan]

41. LOL

:rofl:

[Iterate]

45. It's not anti-American, do check out the other countries.

What a hoot. This guy has to have gotten around enough to know the subtle stereotypes and be able to poke some fun.

[whathehell]

49. Yeah, but the op didn't mention that, did he?

[superduperfarleft]

58. .

[whathehell]

62. ..and ya know why?...I'm actually bright and self-respecting enough to know when I'm being insulted.

How 'bout that?...it's apparently a RARE trait here!

[superduperfarleft]

72. .

[whathehell]

79. Lol..I believe if you read the posts.

you'd have the answer to your eloquently phrased question.:eyes:

[awoke_in_2003]

52. well, if I cannot live in the Socialist Union...

(Scandinavia) then I want to live in Dirty Porn :)

[txlibdem]

117. Yeah baby, yeah.

(channeling Austin Powers there)

[Fumesucker]

66. That map is clearly totally inaccurate..

The borders are far too well defined..

This is a more accurate depiction of our greatest ever leader arriving in Yurp.

[Gabi Hayes]

75. god, I love that cartoon. tweety showed it one time, when he had a segment on his

show discussing the apparent rise of the notion that lots of people that were comparing Bush to a chimpanzee

remember when that stuff was funny?

now...not so much

as we all know, chimps can do lots and lots of damage....wreck the world, even

[Gabi Hayes]

76. almost forgot....haven't read most of thread, but that's a perfect Teabagger map of Yurp. here's

their DC map:

[Gabi Hayes]

77. baha! just realized that I lived in several different places along with

those illegal immigrants in Arlington/Alexandria/Falls Church

[whathehell]

82. Yes, but since when do "teabaggers" represent all, or even MOST Americans?

I don't think we're doing our non-American "friends", not to mention ourselves, any favors by allowing them to "miss" that point.:eyes:

[Gabi Hayes]

85. didn't think about that....I just saw the map, and my instanty reaction was: TBag!

[whathehell]

86. Love the poster..Dick Armey looks especially compelling, lol. n/t

[AspenRose]

127. IMMIGRANTS AND NEGROES!!! FUCK YEAH!!!

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

91. LOL!!.... I thought Ireland was "Lucky Charms" or "Green Beer"

:D

"Dracula" :rofl:

[proteus_lives]

92. All of those maps were pretty funny.

I always have fun with stereotypes.

Many Americans are ignorant of European geography but ask a Euro about the U.S.? They can point out New York, La and Vegas and that's about it.

[whathehell]

98. Thanks, Proteus..apparently we're not all gutless wonders here. n/t

[whathehell]

100. "..ask a Euro about the U.S.? They can point out New York, La and Vegas and that's about it" n/t

You got it, Proteus.

[Quantess]

115. And for some reason, "Californians" are imagined to be

loud, obnoxious and stupid. "No, not all Americans are stupid and loud. I'm referring to Californian Americans."

A paraphrased actual quote from a European who had never been to the USA, but knew plenty enough already. He had seen tv shows, and had a friend who visited the USA, so he knew all about the USA.

Americans have not cornered the market on ignorant stereotypes.

[proteus_lives]

116. And Midwesterners are all hicks.

Who ALL wear cowboy hats for some reason.

One British lady was shocked when I told her I didn't grow up on a farm despite hailing from Indiana.

[Quantess]

118. There is no shortage of ignorant people.

There are stupid people all over the world.
I am a Swedish dual citizen, and I am not particularly loyal to the USA over Europe, but, I must say it isn't accurate to think that only Americans harbor stereotypes about other countries.

Europeans have their inaccurate stereotypes, too.

[proteus_lives]

119. I think that's the best thing to take away from this thread.

I've traveled outside the US many times and I've met and befriended many foreigners. (I live in a college town) and America, indeed no country/culture, holds the majority share of ignorance and stereotypes.

That's why education and travel are important for everyone.

[Touchdown]

126. No. It's not true Californians. It's those asshole New Yorkers who moved there!

Those are the loud and stupid ones.:evilgrin:

[Baalath]

96. A new way to tell a racist joke

is to make the same racist joke, but attribute it to a racists. The same racist BS is spread, but the teller absolves themselves of the guilt.

Would this map be alright to post here if the "joke" was just to call the people in those European lands those awful insults?

<Insert name of group you are allowed to insult> are so stupid they think <insert racist joke here>.

[whathehell]

99. Thanks, Baalath..You've proved yourself another DUer with gonads! n/t

[whathehell]

101. Would this map be alright to post here if the "joke" was just to call the people in those European

lands those awful insults?.


No, baalath, it most certainly would not, ...and that question has been raised in this thread numerous times, only to be met with a resounding SILENCE by all parties, Lol.

As a couple of our braver posters have asked facetiously, "You mean you can be a progressive without showing contempt for the rest of the country"?

Too many here seem to think so, and it's a subject which has been only half-considered here and is ripe for more "thought" clarity and discussion.

[hedgehog]

103. Time for the original

[txlibdem]

107. I'm part German so I guess you know what part of the map I favor

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Withywindle]

113. Hey, there's been some progress over the last few decades

"Dirty Porn" is a big step up from "Nazis."

[txlibdem]

114. The move is not yet complete

It's getting pretty clear to me that the Republicons are now the Nazis. I can think of at least 3 different scape goats they may use to get us there.

[ProudDad]

110. Europe vs. the U.S. - What Working Class?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9252031

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112. Deleted message

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[Touchdown]

125. I wonder...

How fun this thread would be without one poster taking a shit all over it.

The link also has "Europe according to... UK, Germany, Russia, Poland, Italy, France and... Gay Men." ... but I guess clicking a link is "insulting Americans". :eyes:

And before I get accused of being un-American... I served in the US Army... and didn't tell, but did feel up and have a flag pin stapled to each nipple!

[AspenRose]

128. Interesting looking at the other perspectives and stereotypes of others

Kind of funny, but definitely a learning experience.

Everyone stereotypes (whether we admit it or not) and everyone can be stereotyped. In that regard it's universal.