Now that several gay kids are dead, the Mormons arrive to rub salt in the wounds

[Bluebear]

A gay kid just killed himself. Several in fact. And this bigoted piece of scum thought it was a good time to deliver yet another anti-gay tirade. (Did he even bother mentioning the suicides? Even that witch Maggie Gallagher felt the need to at least mention the kids, before going on to defend her hate.)

These are the bigots who took away our right to marry in California. Who tell our children that they don't deserve to love or be loved. That God would never want us to be gay. It's bigots like this who are responsible for our children thinking they have no option other than suicide.

Boyd K. Packer, president of the Mormon "Quorum of Twelve Apostles":

“There are those today who not only tolerate but advocate voting to change laws that would legalize immorality, as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature,” Boyd K. Packer, president of the church’s Quorum of Twelve Apostles, said in a strongly worded sermon about the dangers of pornography and same-sex marriage. “A law against nature would be impossible to enforce. Do you think a vote to repeal the law of gravity would do any good?” MORE:

http://gay.americablog.com/2010/10/now-that-several-gay-kids-are-dead.html

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[leftstreet]

2. A marriage is between 1 man and 12 women

[Le Taz Hot]

19. ROFL!!!

:rofl: :applause:

[KamaAina]

57. Mitt Romney himself riffed on that in his only recorded joke ever

"As a Mormon, I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman... and a woman, and a woman, and a woman...:

[KurtNYC]

118. the Mormons defining marriage is like Crispy Creme defining health food

dontchaknow

[complain jane]

168. +1

[mzmolly]

160. Correction, 2 women and 10 teenagers.

:puke:

[complain jane]

169. Or One Conservative Male and three hookers, a little boy, somebody else's wife and

whoever's in the bathroom.

[mzmolly]

175. LOL

:rofl:

[merqz]

3. I was watching the South Park

Pray Away the Gay Camp episode where butters gets sent to the camp. Man, that show just hit the nail on the head in that episode.

[eShirl]

14. are they really opening a musical comedy on Broadway titled "The Book of Mormon" this spring?

I can't tell if this is a joke or for reals:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/news/359260/the-book-of-mormon-press-release

[Tuvok Obama]

33. Yes - here's another link...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon_%28musical%29

[liskddksil]

34. Yes

http://www.playbill.com/events/listing/1.html

[Demoiselle]

84. Wow. Cue the seagulls! (I'll explain, if you like.)

[martymar64]

115. Is the seagull lesbian by chance?

:spank:

[Demoiselle]

125. I was thinking of that legend of the Mormon settlement in Utah that says

...when they first arrived a plague of Locusts descended on them and would have destroyed all their crops had it not been for the
miraculous appearance of seagulls (a whole BUNCH of seagulls) who swooped down and ate up all the locusts.
And I thought that a huge flock of seagulls would be a pretty smashing, albeit technically challenging grand finale in a Broadway musical.
Not worth the trouble of explaining, was it?

[martymar64]

128. Gotcha. I was thinking of the song in Beavis and Butthead Do America

It's called "Lesbian Seagull".

Interesting story about the seagulls though. Learn something new every day! :hi:

[eppur_se_muova]

165. BIRDS eating INSECTS? Miraculous !! nt

[Demoiselle]

173. The miracle was that they flew in all the way from the West Coast.

(Rim shot, please.)

[Enthusiast]

15. That was a funny episode.

To me, anyway.

[merqz]

64. The constant suicides

was the theme, and as usual South Park nailed the utter absurdity of the whole thing.

[Enthusiast]

174. Yes, they nailed it. nt

[KamaAina]

61. There's also the one where a fresh-faced Mormon kid from Utah moves to South Park

and promptly attempts to convert everybody. The highlight: A musical retelling of the story of Joseph Smith, to the tune "dum-dum dum-dum dum". While Smith is "re-translating" the golden tablets, his friend's wife dares to question their authenticity. "Lucy Harris smart, smart, smart, Martin Harris dum! Dum, dum, dum, dum, dum!" :rofl:

[merqz]

63. I liked that one, too

It was very sympathetic to mormons, actually. It just ripped on their mythology. The last exchange between the mormon kid and Kyle Stan and Cartman was classic.

[valerief]

76. That one was FABULOUS!!!! That taught me more about Mormonism than

anything I'd seen before. I usually either stopped reading or flipped the channel before, because it was so annoying. However, South Park entertained me with the Mormon absurdity.

[iandhr]

103. I am more of a fan

of the Simpsons when Homer becomes a minster who marries gays.

[greyl]

4. "against nature"

What a pathetic dumbass.

[Norrin Radd]

5. kr

[prolesunited]

6. And how do they explain

the gay animals found in nature?

[jpgray]

7. Let me look in my magical hat for that one.

[QC]

23. Be sure to put on your sacred drawers first, though, or Urim and Thummin won't work.

Isn't it amazing that a polygamy cult founded by a notorious grifter is now America's leading authority on sexual purity?

[Tsiyu]

38. No doubt

You see, it's okay according to their gawd for a FLDS hetero guy to have seven wives, three of them under the age of 16, but by gawd those gays better not want even one!

Fat old white guys raping teenagers is great, healthy sex ordained by the creator; two consenting adults of the same gender get gawd's condemnation.

Boggles the mind the way they make up the "rules" and "Science" to benefit themselves and call that Gawd's Will.

"I get mine as much as I want it cuz Gawd luvs me BEST. You get nothing and you like it or you're going to hell!"

[Chulanowa]

9. Like... people

Humans are natural, and we live in nature. We don't need to lob around gay penguins or the like to make the point - if there are gay people, then being gay is a natural part of the world.

[RainDog]

8. what fucking idiots - using science to deny science

no one is fooled by this stupid worthless religious cult.

the difference b/t the Mormons and Heaven's Gate is the number of people who believe the utter tripe they profess.

this includes their stance on homosexuals.

[Skittles]

10. I bet Boyd is a pervert

[customerserviceguy]

102. He sure has focused a lot on masturbation

Long before Prissy Chrissy, we had this asshat spreading guilt and shame:

http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/little_factory.htm

[grantcart]

11. From the comment thread on the original article

"Fortunately Mormonism can be overcome."

[Radical Activist]

12. Someone should tell Packer

that no U.S. law can alter the basic nature of LGBT Americans.

For those who don't know, this was said at their church General Conference, which means it was broadcast into all Mormon churches around the globe and carried into homes on their satellite TV channel. It will be rebroadcast several times. It wasn't just another Sunday sermon. This is what they thought was most important to tell their worldwide membership this year.

I also noticed this line:

he power to create offspring “is not an incidental part of the plan of happiness. It is the key — the very key.”

Imagine what that says to a man or woman who wants to have children but can't. Doesn't it mean that they can't be part of God's plan of happiness? There are Mormons in that situation who hear things like this and stay Mormon because they believe it's God's one and only true church. Consequently, they suffer years of depression and self-loathing in much the same way LGBT Mormons do. They can only look forward to the day when they will be resurrected from the dead and God will "fix" them. It's very sad.

[demigoddess]

108. I knew a mormon woman once who ENVIED ME my handicapped child

she and her husband could not have children, and the mormons have an unusual idea about handicapped children. She envied me my daughter. I was somewhat creepy. I worried she might want to kidnap my daughter.

[MrScorpio]

13. That is exactly the kind of hateful bigotry that's at the core of the problem, isn't it?

That's exactly why full equality has yet to happen.

That's exactly the ammunition that's gives strength to the bigots and bullies in America.

It's why people are dying.

ALL Americans should be ashamed of that kind of bigotry, indeed.

[JNelson6563]

56. +100

Well said friend. :toast:

[Solly Mack]

16. K&R

Fuck'em

[political_Dem]

17. There's a separation between Church and State for a reason.

And this proves the Founding Father's reasons why. If they want to insert themselves into political business it's time to prosecute these religious organizations for crossing the line.

[xchrom]

18. of course they did -- they aren't civilized. nt

[Dappleganger]

20. It never ceases to amaze me how Mormons and certain religions who were historically "bullied"

are so damn quick to pick up the bully club once they are the ones running the show.

Mormons were quite literally chased from town to town. They had to make their own fucking state so people wouldn't mess with them.

Hypocrites, all of them. :mad:

[bobbolink]

49. The oppressed of yesterday are the oppressors of tomorrow.

It isn't just one group... it is over and over and over and over........

It bears much introspection of ALL oppressed people.

[spanone]

21. fuck these intolerant fucks

[SidDithers]

22. Idiots...

Sid

[Odin2005]

24. Assholes!

[myrna minx]

25. K&R n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. Mormons didn't take our rights away, CA voters did

Some of those voters are Mormons, but most of them are not.

[nichomachus]

50. But it was CA voters

who were deluded by a barrage of outright lies financed by millions of dollars from the Mormon Cult and their allies in the Roman Church of Child Rape.

Almost every person I saw interviewed locally had a gross misunderstanding of what Prop H8 was about -- and it was the misunderstanding deliberately created and fostered by the Mormons.

[Bluebear]

55. Follow the money, man.

[WeekendWarrior]

167. I'm from California and

the Mormons funded a television campaign that said if the proposition passed, children would be forced to learn about homosexuality in school and other blatant lies.

[keepCAblue]

170. You're right...sort of. It wasn't just the Mor(m)ons. The Catholics & Evangelicals helped...

...but mostly, in terms of financing the campaign, it was the Mormons.

RUFKM? :banghead:

[LynneSin]

27. When will our government finally take away the tax-free privileges of this cult

disgusting!

[saltpoint]

28. For whatever it's worth, I haven't been terribly impressed

by the Mormons. That would be Mormons of the long-ago past and the Mormons of this afternoon and next week.

They strike me as dangerous control freaks.

[w8liftinglady]

30. my co-worker,an ex-mormon-went off the deep end

when she FINALLY divorced her prick husband,she had her genitals pierced and screwed her brains out.
"you don't know what it's like to have a guy WANT you to have an orgasm"

yeah.I want to change faiths<sarcasm>.

[saltpoint]

31. Good for that co-worker, w8liftinglady. Sounds like

she'd had more than enough of the Mormon Maximum Control Program and wanted out.

[newspeak]

37. when I lived in Utah some years back

I remember there was an article in the newspaper about Utah having one of the highest rates of male youth suicide. And I wondered at the time if it was the pressure by the church to conform.

Which reminds me of a discussion I had with my Mormon boss. One day he told me that we all needed to believe the same because if we all believed in the same thing then there would be no more wars or killing. I just looked at him in astonishment. I told him if we all believed the same and some doctrine was unjust or cruel there would be no one to question it, and if someone questioned it they probably would be put to death. When everyone is blind, where is there room for an epiphany or enlightenment? Told him, I do not believe, will never believe, in the doctrines of Joseph Smith and if everyone believed the same, then we would find other reasons to bully and kill, even if we were all the same skin color, it could come down to eye color.

Anyway, to me that was a disturbing statement he made.

[YOY]

46. That's not just gay, but those who have been expelled from the fundementalists.

The fundie mormons need more than one bride for each husband yet human birthrates are at a 1:1 Male:Female ratio.

Therefore there are an excess of homeless and expelled young men from the communities that have no where else to go and no support networkk.

[Erose999]

48. I would imagine a lot of males leave the church. Or marry outside the Mormon faith, or just have a

single Mormon spouse. Not every Mormon family are polygamists.

The crazy thing though, is among the Mormons I have known, even ones that aren't related all kinda look the same. I don't know if its just the influence of the church on the individual, or if its a small gene pool... but its kinda weird.

[YOY]

53. The Warren Jeffs crowd does. The kids they expel from their small towns usually end up in SLC

I am WELL aware that most Mormons are not polygamists.

Meet "The Lost Boys" (as in Peter Pan's Lost Boys) http://articles.cnn.com/2007-09-07/us/lost.boys_1_warren-jeffs-polygamist-sect-leader-flds?_s=PM:US

Yes, I've seen that gene pool thing as well.

[leeroysphitz]

29. Fuckers. n/t

[elehhhhna]

32. Boy(d) Packer prolly caught hell over that name in middle school

justsayin.

Research shows that homophobic men have homosexual leanings. Boyd doth protest too much.

[customerserviceguy]

104. He catches hell from ex-Mormons

at the Salamander Society:

[treestar]

35. The law of gravity?

That idiot would deny plenty of other scientific laws if it suited his beliefs. Interesting he's trying to quote science to support his religious beliefs, which are outlandish as well as bigoted.

[DevonRex]

36. Fucking assholes. nt

[Downtown Hound]

39. Some Mormon missionaries came to my door the other day

I told them that I hate their church for what they did with prop 8, then I told them to fuck off, and then I slammed the door in their faces. True story.

They were off my property within seconds. I'm a big guy and I look pretty menacing, even though I'm pretty much a softy in most areas and I hate confrontation. But I think I scared the hell out of them, and it felt REALLY REALLY good. I saw them the next day as I was going out to my car. They avoided me at all costs, refusing to make even eye contact with me. I used to be nice to them when they showed up even though I disagreed with them. But I've taken the gloves off. I see no reason to be nice and civil to people that are out to destroy you.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

44. To my unending shame, I didn't do something like that when THIS happened to me:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2119025#2119602

I just said "hu-hum, hu-hum", they left a copy of the Book of Mormon and got away. I'm a wuss.

[Downtown Hound]

45. Believe me, getting to this point in my life has taken me a lot of work

I think being an activist on this issue has helped me a lot. On the day that the CA State Supreme Court upheld prop 8, I got arrested for civil disobedience. I remember all the beautiful gay and lesbian couples crying on the steps of the court when the decision was reached. Seeing firsthand the destruction and heartache these hypocritical shitbags inflict on truly wonderful and amazing people has helped give me quite a spine when dealing with them. I watched all these lovely gay couples kissing as they were being handcuffed and taken away. It was a powerful and emotional sight.

Not too long ago I was quite the wuss when doing things like this also. Don't beat yourself up over it. Just work on it. One of these days, maybe you'll be able to tell some Mormons to fuck off as well. LOL.

[YOY]

47. I did very much the same.

I don't give a shit what people care to believe but the moment your religion starts fucking with my friends or myself I lose all goddamn civility.

Don't fuck with my friends.

[bobbolink]

51. "I see no reason to be nice and civil to people that are out to destroy you. "

A lot of us are coming to that for a lot of reasons.

Turning the other cheek only gets you broken teeth.

Speaking out my frighten people, but it becomes necessary. People like Woody Guthrie and Malcolm X and many others knew this.

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[Downtown Hound]

62. No. And it felt really good.

Tough shit for you if you don't like it.

[proteus_lives]

70. Says more about you then me.

[Downtown Hound]

72. You're right it does

It says that I hate bigots and will confront them wherever and whenever I see them, and I will not feel the least bit guilty about it afterwords.

[proteus_lives]

73. Didn't get enough pats on the head?

Go ahead, justify it.

But the fact is you enjoyed people being scared of you. You enjoyed being the big man, maybe you can push them into a locker after first period tomorrow.

:rofl:

[Downtown Hound]

75. God you're an idiot

I guess that you got pushed around a lot in school, and are still seeing those bullies everywhere you go and are looking to get back at them.

Oh well. I'm not a bully and never have been. The Mormons though, they are a bunch of bullies.

[proteus_lives]

78. Not so much.

But I can recognize assholish behavior when I see it.

Yeah, they are bullies and you learned well from them.

[Downtown Hound]

81. Well let's look at your definition of bully

On the one hand you have a bunch of well funded group of religious zealots and hypocrites that use their wealth and influence to deny millions of people their civil rights. And on the other hand, you have somebody that told them to fuck off and slammed the door on them for it.

If that's being a bully, then I'm a bully. I've been called worse.

[proteus_lives]

85. A bully likes it when people are scared of him.

What did you say in your first post again?

Individual or group, bullies aren't a good thing.

[Downtown Hound]

88. So, a rape victim that turns the tables on her attacker and enjoys the fact

that she instilled fear in him for all the shit that he put her through is a bully?

You have a rather broad and not very well thought out definition of bully there.

[proteus_lives]

90. So these people raped you?

How awful, when did it happen? Did you report them to the police?

Broad definition indeed. :rofl:

[Downtown Hound]

91. LOL. You said that a bully is someone that enjoys instilling fear

I presented you with a hypothetical scenario about how that isn't always so. The Mormons may not have physically raped me, but they raped many others of their civil rights. And all you can do is whine about the fact that I scared two of them that came onto MY property to continue their assault on the civil rights on millions of people.

[proteus_lives]

94. Actually, you didn't.

A rape victim turning the tables on her attacker is called self-defense.

Whine?

I don't consider it whining to remark on your behavior. Sorry if you can't deal with anything but positive reinforcement.

[Downtown Hound]

97. "Sorry you can't deal with anything but positive reinforcement"

I'm afraid you greatly overestimate your effect on me. I really don't give a shit what you think. But I will defend myself and I will defend others, even if it means telling a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites to fuck off.

And giving Mormons shit for denying civil rights to others is a form of self defense in my book. It's letting them know that there are consequences for bigotry and denying rights to others.

[proteus_lives]

99. Really?

"It's letting them know that there are consequences for bigotry and denying rights to others."

That's what you think you did? :rofl:

That's another thing about your behavior. You think you accomplished something.

Sadly, you didn't. They thought "What a prick" and moved on to the next house. They didn't stop what they were doing, they didn't stop to examine their beliefs, they simply moved on.

Gee, maybe you up the level of "consequences". :eyes:

[Downtown Hound]

114. Gee, do you really think I give a flying fuck what those two sanctimonious losers think of me?

I don't think I actually think I accomplished something tangible beyond giving some Mormons a piece of my mind. And that was enough for me. It made up a little bit for them trying to legally dissolve the marriage that my gay cousin got during the brief time that gay marriage was legal in California. Yes, they tried to destroy a family member of mine's marriage. And you expect me to be civil to them for that? And you expect me to not take a small amount of pleasure from seeing those two assholes scared? Well fuck that, and fuck you too.

Fuck with my family and I come after you. And if you get scared in the process, that's mother fucking sweetness to me. And as I've said, if you think that makes me a bully, then I really don't give a shit. Go ahead and think I'm a bully. I think you're a pussy, so I guess we each have our own opinion of the other.

[proteus_lives]

132. So the mormons who came to your door were the ones did all that?

Small amount? You can barely contain yourself.

It doesn't sound like you're too discriminating with your "consequences".

I'm a pussy? Ouch, now you're name-caller. It that the next level of "consequences" for me? :rofl:

[Downtown Hound]

You've been calling me a bully from the get go

And now you're whining because I called you a pussy?

And the Mormons that came to my door are representatives of "all that." They chose to advance that agenda, so I have no problem making them responsible for it.

[proteus_lives]

140. I'm the whiner?

Jeez, I would think the person doing all the cursing and name calling would be the whiner.

Just my opinion.

[Downtown Hound]

144. You have done nothing but whine about me and call me names from the get go

And now you're complaining? My God, you are one of the biggest idiots I've ever talked to on this board.

[proteus_lives]

149. I don't think highly highly of the "look what I did!" posts either.

So we're even on that scale.

[muffin1]

66. Really?

You are coming to the defense of people who have a hand in denying millions of people the right to marry? :puke:, indeed.
I hope they went home and cried for hours. Shit, I hope they're still upset. Fuck them.

[proteus_lives]

71. No love for the mormons here.

But ick behavior is still just that.

I don't think people deserve a pat on the head for acting like an asshole.

[Downtown Hound]

74. I agree.

That's why I give Mormons shit. Because they're a bunch of assholes. Of course there's always a bunch of pussies out there that will deem any method of fighting back that doesn't involve suppressing deeply held and justifiable rage and pretending to be nice and respectful as being an asshole.

But I really don't care what those people think. Because as far as I'm concerned, those people are part of the problem, not the solution.

[proteus_lives]

80. Fighting back is a good thing.

Getting off on how some people are scared of you?

Not so much.

BTW, you're still not going that head-pat you crave.

[Downtown Hound]

83. I'm not looking for head pats

So you can give up that little fantasy. I don't care if you pat my head or not. I just have no problem expressing anger. People like you are just afraid of anger whenever it shows it's head, so you have to come up with these little fantasies in your head to deal with it.

[proteus_lives]

87. It's not anger I'm talking about.

But you know that.

I'm talking about enjoyment. You enjoyed the fact people were scared of you.

And you want be validated for that.

[Downtown Hound]

89. You're fucking a right I enjoyed it

As I have said many times, I don't give a shit if you think that's being a bully. I just think of it as being human. The reason why you think it's ALWAYS bullying even when done in self defense is because you are scared of anger and you are scared of people being empowered through it.

[proteus_lives]

92. Empowered through anger?

What a dead-end road.

Being angry is part of being human but not everyone enjoys people being scared of them.

Why did you invent the thing about me being scared of anger? It's not working as deflection, would you like to try something else?

You took your empowerment at the cost of another persons.

Who does that remind you of?

I'll give you a hint, they wear magic underwear.

[Downtown Hound]

93. Everything you just wrote vindicates everything I've already said

You are afraid of anger, and you can't stand it when people use it. Empowerment through anger is NOT a dead end road. Tell that to all the people that ever changed something because the were angry.

[proteus_lives]

96. How does what I wrote vindicate your meme?

Like I said, your deflecting tactics aren't working.

Can't stand it? Then why am I still talking to you? You're pretty angry about me not patting you on the head but I'm still here.

[Downtown Hound]

98. I'm not angry, that's what you don't realize

You have this overly inflated idea in your head about the effect you're having on me. I'm simply defending myself against your accusations.

And what you said vindicates what I wrote because you said that empowerment through anger is a dead end road. BULLSHIT. Getting angry about injustice is the first and foremost step to empowerment.

And My defending myself against you is working just fine. You are the one that has failed to present any meaningful discourse beyond calling me a bully because I made two Mormons scared. I have presented my reasons for doing so many times over, but you don't hear them. All you hear is, "Anger, fear, enjoyment, bully." You fail to take the matter into context, which does say a lot about you.

[proteus_lives]

100. See, that's where you're stopping.

Anger.

Sure, anger can be a first step but people don't stay there. They move on and they don't try and scare people into believing what they believe.

Anger gets you nowhere. Determination, belief, willingness to sacrifice? Those types of behavior will take you far.

But I doubt any of the folks working on marriage-equality right now enjoy scaring people. That's your damage.

[Occulus]

105. I'm gay, I'm glad he did it, they deserved it, and I hope he does it again and again

Oh, and I was bullied for it the whole time I was growing up, so take your self-righteousness and your holier-than-thou attitude, sit on it, and spin real fast.

[proteus_lives]

109. Sorry.

But bullies don't solve anything.

If you were bullied, you'd know that.

[Occulus]

119. HEY. Get it through your thick skull.

Responding to bullies with angry verbiage or outright force

IS NOT
ITSELF
BEING A BULLY

And I chose the path you're advocating, by the way. I didn't fight back. Guess what it got me?

More, and longer, bullying. Had I thrown just one punch it would have stopped. My parents were just like you, and told me to "let it go", to "take the high road", to "prove I'm better than them". It didn't work. It never does.

The only thing your attitude gets kids who were or are being bullied is more of the same.

Stop being an enabler.

[Downtown Hound]

122. "If you were bullied, you'd know that."

Ah so you were bullied a lot in school. I thought as much, in spite of your denials. Well, guess what? This isn't school, you're not being bullied, and you need to get over your personal issues and stop projecting them onto others. That is all I have to say.

[proteus_lives]

133. It's hilarious that you say that.

"you need to get over your personal issues and stop projecting them onto others."

It's like a coal miner telling a gardener he dirt on his face. :rofl:

You're running around your neighborhood trying to scare people and it's about my personal issues? :rofl:

[Downtown Hound]

135. Running around my neighborhood?

You have now officially lost all touch with reality. I was in my house. They came to me. If I ever go to their house and tell them I'm going to get laws passed that break up their loving families, I would fully expect rudeness.

[proteus_lives]

142. Once again, it's not about anger or rudeness.

I thought it was gross how you got off on scaring people and wanted a head-pat.

It's still gross.

[Downtown Hound]

151. Look, you can't do anything at this point

but repeat the same tired bullshit over and over. Head pat, scared, blah, blah, blah.

If that's really all you have left, then there's really no point in continuing this with you. You have proven yourself to be immune to reason and logic, accusing me of running around my neighborhood looking for victims. Do you even grasp how ridiculous your accusations have become? Obviously not, because you keep making them.

You have no friends here and no support. That you persist on making a jackass of yourself leads me to think you have another agenda, as many here have already suspected.

[Downtown Hound]

116. Damage? Oh please.

I'm willing to bet I've done far more to advance the cause of gay rights than you have. How many times have you protested for gay rights? I have a total of 9 times. Ever blockaded a street and get arrested when the CA state Supreme Court upheld prop 8? I did. Have you worked with gay and lesbian homeless youth? I have. I've seen firsthand the devastation that the bigotry espoused by these shitbag ass warts on the human race does to wonderful people. So you call me a bully for taking pleasure in the fact that for a few moments I was able to turn the tables on them? Let me extend my ass outwards to you so you can kiss it.

The only damage being done to the movement are from limp-dicked cowards that turn on their own everytime one of them shows a little heartfelt emotion. Fuck the Mormons and fuck you. This is a war, and it's a war I intend to win. Either get on board or get the fuck out of the way.

[proteus_lives]

137. Oh, he's a toughie.

I can see you pumping your fist in the air.:rofl:

Get arrested? No, I've signed petitions and helped out a local pride office and marched in a few campus protests.

Your street cred is acknowledged.

So much cursing! And war-talk, you toughie.

It really is all about head-pats with you, huh?

[Downtown Hound]

141. No it's about human rights

and standing up for yourself and your loved ones. Not that I expect you to understand that.

And oh wow, I'm so impressed with you few protests, assuming they did in fact happen, which I doubt.

[proteus_lives]

143. As much I believe you.

I stand-up for the people I love all the time. That's what you do for people you love.

But I don't get excited about scaring people. (The original point)

[Downtown Hound]

145. Well, maybe you've never been really hurt by a group of people before

Or maybe you just deal with things differently. I don't know, and I really don't care. You have gotten way tiresome and boring. I'll tell you what, when somebody really fucks with your life, as in trying to destroy your civil rights or your marriage, then come back to me and preach your sanctimonious horseshit.

Until then, fuck off.

[proteus_lives]

150. Oh, if you only knew big man.

Final opinion:

Getting off on scaring isn't a healthy reaction. Think about it.

[Downtown Hound]

155. Do you realize that I only "got off"on it for a couple of minutes

Oh Jesus Christ, you know what? Fuck off. This is so stupid, and I'm not going to feed your stupidity anymore. Good bye, Proteus bitch.

[proteus_lives]

157. Name calling is fun, right?

Still trying to be be scary.

Doesn't have same effect over the 'net, man.

[Downtown Hound]

158. What was the first thing you said to me (which has now been deleted)

"Did you rub yourself one thinking about how scared they were?"

You start a flame war with that kind of language and now you're trying to take the high road by being down on name calling?

Yes, you are a little bitch. I have no problem calling people names if they fit.

Now that's really all the time I'm going to waste on you. I have people in my neighborhood that I need to go run around and terrorize because it makes me feel good. Hoo boy! Look out kids!

[proteus_lives]

159. Actually,

I said did you rub one out while thinking about how scared they were.

But I didn't call you anything. I simply expressed distaste for your reaction. (Which I still do)

You can call me any name you want.

Like I said, you're not scary over the net. But feel free to try. So far you have points for emotions but you're trailing in originality, try mixing it up a bit.

[Downtown Hound]

161. Sorry, but you throw down the gauntlet like that

don't start whining when people respond with vitriol. But then again, that's really your problem isn't it? You think people should lie down and take shit and never hit back. And you did call me a name, you called me a bully. In case you aren't aware, that's a name.

And the sheer fact that you think I'm actually trying to be scary over the net just shows how disconnected you are from reality. All I'm doing is expressing my opinions. I realize that that probably scares you very much with all the bullying you've probably endured, but that's really all it is.

I get points for emotions? What is this? Net wars with Proteus Lives? I think you're probably a very lonely person that gets their rocks off by stirring shit up on the net. The sheer fact that you critique this like it's a sporting contest shows that it's all just a game to you.

Well it's not a game to me. The civil rights of people I love are not a game, and I will attack anybody that attempts to deny them. And if I have success, then yes, I'll feel good about it, even if that means scaring two hypocritical bigots that COME TO MY DOOR. And whatever problem you have with that you can shove up your ass and spin it around until you're blue in the face.

Gee, how many points do I get for that Proteus? Are you going to hold up your little net wanker score card? Do I get points for emotion? Do I lack originality? Tell me where I need to improve, great net master. Not that I really care.

Ah whatever. Going out now (you should try that sometime), and I really won't respond to you anymore. It's just that everytime I try and leave, you come up with something that's even more stupid than before, and I can't help myself. But this time, I really am done. Later.

[proteus_lives]

162. So far, originality is a near zero.

Assumptions and cliched insults aren't impressive.

Have fun and remember that your don't have to curse at everyone who disagrees with something you did.

[liberation]

82. "I don't think people deserve a pat on the head for acting like an asshole."

The magnificence of the projection levels, as the ones some of you display in this site, can't properly be described using the English language...

[proteus_lives]

86. Example?

Or is this just a drive-by?

[Forkboy]

153. Pick a post of yours in this thread.

[RetroLounge]

107. Your concern is noted

and is a bunch of bullshit.

Fuck the mormons, and fuck their apologists.

ick behavior? What, are you 2?

RL

[proteus_lives]

110. Valid opinion.

But I'm not a mormon apologist.

I just don't believe he deserves the validation he seeks.

[Downtown Hound]

117. And once again, I'm not seeking validation

I just thought I'd share a story that related to the topic. You are the one that turned this into something it was never meant to be.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

124. Don't bother with that one.

A couple weeks ago it was indifferent to the plight of wrongfully convicted people on death-row. Just the cost of doin' business doncha know.

Now it cares about the feelings of some proselytizing d-bags?

Pro-death-penalty but anti-meanie to religious freaks. See a pattern?

[Downtown Hound]

126. I've had my suspicions from the get go

But thanks for the tip.

So Proteus, you think it's okay to kill somebody in retribution, but not yell at them? Yelling at them is bullying, but killing them is okay?

Wow. What a sanctimonious, hypocritical jackass you are. LOL.

[proteus_lives]

139. HBS gave the head-pat.

You feel good now, huh?

[Downtown Hound]

147. I feel the same as I did before

But I am glad to see that not everybody is as big of a sheep as you are. So okay, maybe I do feel good now, but not for the reasons you think.

[proteus_lives]

152. Sheep?

Sorry, I'm not the mormon.

I just think your reaction isn't worthy of the cause you proclaim to fight for.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

172. Agree,

it's best not to argue. Proteus is another in a long line of right wing assholes who have found a home on this board.

Carrying on the legacy of authoritarian, gun-loving, limp-dick fuck-wits. (fire_medic_dave, paulsby, vadawg).

[RetroLounge]

127. Obvious pattern

RL

[proteus_lives]

138. Pattern?

What pattern is that?

[Downtown Hound]

148. I believe what he's referring to is a pattern of not truly supporting progressive causes

Is that really difficult to understand? I got it right away.

[proteus_lives]

154. Not really.

I just wanted him to say it.

I'm very progressive. I just like to voice my own opinion, which is a very progressive trait. (Last time I checked)

If you want to quiz me, shoot'em out big man.

[Downtown Hound]

156. Nope, I don't want to quiz you

I'm done with you, as you have nothing intelligent to say or add to the conversation.

[muffin1]

68. Good for you!

It's high time all of us started telling these people where to get off. I did something similar with some Christians who came to the door. I didn't scare them, but I did tell them I had no interest in spending eternity with their god. Actually, I was house-sitting when this happened, but the owner of the house (a longtime friend) thought it was pretty amusing, too.

[golddigger]

69. When they come to my door I ask them if they

are wearing their magic underwear. The conversation usually goes downhill from there.

[demigoddess]

111. which is why I don't give a penny to Salvation Army anymore

my money goes elsewhere

[varelse]

130. Minus the slamming of the door and the use of a profanity

I did pretty much the same thing to the critters (a 'man and wife' team, apparently) who showed up at my door on a Sunday morning. I see no reason to even be civil to zealots - subtlety is lost on them, so there is no point in dropping polite hints. Bludgeoning is the only way to get the desired result (they leave you alone).

[Downtown Hound]

134. Yeah, I do have a big fucking mouth on me. LOL.

I will cop to that if nothing else.

[jmm]

I ask them how I got my skin color and walk away.

They never try to speak to me or follow me after that. Luckily they can't get into my apt building but I'm a magnet for them and every other religious, psychic, etc solicitor in public.

[stevenleser]

40. The thing I wonder is, is this new or do we see it now because we are watching.

Are kids killing themselves with regularity because of gay bashing?

My fear is that this has been happening all along and we are only now having this good of a visibility into it because we are paying attention.

Very troubling. Something must be done about this immediately.

[Downtown Hound]

42. It has been happening all along

And the truth is, it's actually much better now than it used to be, scary as that is. It's better now because it gets noticed, that never used to be the case. If you really want to hear terrible stories, just talk to counselors who have worked with gay and lesbian homeless youth. The stories those kids have to tell are absolutely heartbreaking, the abandonment by their families, the rejection, the humiliation. Sad, sad stuff.

[TexasObserver]

41. recommend

I look forward to a time when churches that preach bigotry lose their tax exempt status.

[Initech]

43. The bigots have just as much to blame for this as anybody does.

[nichomachus]

52. Just for the record - Mormons have "redefined" marriage three times in 150 years

So, it can be done

[Raster]

54. Ah yes, the mormon church. The 19th century version of scientology.

Every bit as whacked out, every bit as dangerous.

On record: raised mormon and researched the church and it's history extensively. The verdict: dangerous cult elevated to "religion" status.

[Touchdown]

59. Yeah, but it's Christian salt... so that's ok.

They rub it in out of "love for the demon possessed homasaxshulls" It's what Jesus would do!

[Starry Messenger]

60. They are really arrogant about what they did.

I finally had to close the comments on a youtube video I put up about a Prop8 protest I was at because of the horrible comments from, yes, Mormons. I checked user names and profiles and they all had LDS stuff on their own member pages.

[stopbush]

65. Make believe, make believe, make believe!

Your beliefs are bullshit, as are all religious belief. They are childish, made-up bullshit. Your beliefs have no place influencing laws in a secular society, and our society is a secular society under the Constitution.

So, go fuck yourself, Mr Boyd K Packer, Grand Poobah of the "Quorum of 12 More Make Believe Guys In Addition To Make Believe Jesus." And fuck your religious bullshit as well.

[Pisces]

67. This kind of bullshit makes my blood boil. People need to think for themselves

and quit listening to these religious leaders who are terrified of the gays ( who are themselves probably gay)

[FreeState]

77. As a gay man who was raised LDS and whos family is LDS still

this makes me sick - literally and figuratively. I cant imagine the pain his statements are causing my family members, especially those in my family who are pro marriage equality (the rest are polite enough but just keep their mouths shut when Im around).

Mr. Packer has a nickname among those that have left the church: Boyd KKK Packer

Wonder why?

"For every exception we can show you tens and hundreds, and I suppose thousands, who were not happy. Plan, young people, to marry into your own race. This counsel is good, and I hope our branch presidents are listening and paying attention. The counsel is good. " - Boyd K. Packer http://mormontruth.blogspot.com/2005/12/boyd-k-packer-current-mormon-apostle.html

There are some men who entice young men to join them in these immoral acts. If you are ever approached to participate in anything like that, it is time to vigorously resist.
While I was in a mission on one occasion, a missionary said he had something to confess. I was very worried because he just could not get himself to tell me what he had done.
After patient encouragement he finally blurted out, "I hit my companion."
"Oh, is that all," I said in great relief.
"But I floored him," he said.
After learning a little more, my response was "Well, thanks. Somebody had to do it, and it wouldn't be well for a General Authority to solve the problem that way"- Boyd K. Packer http://www.lds-mormon.com/only.shtml

[LAGC]

79. TAX THAT POLITICAL ORGANIZATION!

Enough of this tax-exempt "non-political" bullshit!

They want to stick their noses into politics, then they should have to pay the price. They are sitting on MILLIONS in pilfered tithing money, time for some of it to be put to good use.

[gtar100]

95. What does he know about God's laws? He knows what he's been told by a book.

His hatred is far more immoral than anything these kids did. Proof? The result. I hope to one day not share a planet with these religious idiots. Until that fantasy comes true, I will not be so live-and-let-live with them as I had been. Their actions cause death, poverty and misery... all for a fantastical ghost of an imaginary god.

[ScreamingMeemie]

101. Boy those churches sure like to talk about sex and pornography a lot.

[demigoddess]

112. sex and death, and not the good kind of death.

once at a church, non mormon, I was attending, some young men were talking about going to a nearby town and beating up and maybe killing an old woman because she was an atheist. Last time I went to that church.

[barbtries]

106. the human rights campaign

sent me an email with a page to sign a letter addressed to the asshole packer: http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/site/R?i=TTkunTJqQJl1AI5T8u4uhQ..

[BolivarianHero]

113. Those fascist fucks stole my cousin's kids...

I don't consider them to be part of the human race.

[anachro1]

120. Does this mean I should

release the five young mormon men I keep chained up in the basement? They all answer by the name "Elder".

[defendandprotect]

121. What they're really afraid of us that we all LIKE HOMOSEXUALS better than Mormons ....

and that as you all become more visible members of communities and societies we

all benefit from it-- !!

We have to stop this preaching of hatred and intolerance for homosexuals from the

pulpits in America --

Let's send male-supremacist religion on its way -- and support homosexuals and

human rights -- and equality for all!

:evilgrin:

[stevedeshazer]

123. +1

[jimlup]

129. What scares me about these folks is the number in mainstream politics...

Hate theology to the core.

[TomClash]

131. I get it! Gay and gravity both begin with G!

:eyes:

Asshole.

[BoneDaddy]

136. The mormons are up there

with fundamentalist muslims and the hasidim as being the "who is going to win the cultural evolutionary dead end group of the millenia" prize.

[WestSeattle2]

146. I wish more gay folks would learn to ignore these individuals and

organizations. They know not of what they speak - they're ignorant, fearful, and idiotic. The only ones who listen to their crap are their spineless followers and others who lack the aptitude to think for themselves. Their ignorance of human sexuality is breathtaking, so why would anyone with half a brain give them the time of day? What particularly concerns me are gay kids listening to the constant drumbeat of ignorance, and thinking the "grown-ups" know what the hell they're talking about.

These are teachable moments - the stupidity and ignorance of some adults are on clear display; all kids, but particularly gay kids need to see it for what it is - and laugh at it, and not internalize mindless ramblings.

The adults who bash others based on human sexuality should be absolutely ashamed of their ignorance, but alas, they're too stupid to realize how ignorant they really are. Were it not for the negative effect their ramblings have on kids, it would be laughable.

As for Mr. Packer, I would encourage him to focus on his own flock, many of whom can be found in Denver gay bars every weekend.

[begin_within]

163. The irony!

He states: "as if a vote would somehow alter the designs of God’s laws and nature" and "A law against nature would be impossible to enforce."

Excuse me, isn't that EXACTLY what Proposition 8 (banning same-sex marriage) was? A law against natural occurrence (love between two members of the same sex)?

Hello Mr. Packer?!?!?!

The very thing he states so eloquently is the exact argument AGAINST making a law that prohibits same-sex marriage...

[Ken Burch]

164. Homophobia from a guy whose last name is "Packer"....

It doesn't get any better than that.

:eyes:

[WeekendWarrior]

166. I have a friend who was raised as a Mormon

and she says they're completely insane.

Religion blows.

[a2liberal]

171. "A law against nature would be impossible to enforce."

Isn't that basically what THEY are trying to do?