The Reasons to VOTE in November Thread

[USArmyParatrooper]

I'll start us off with a few. Feel free to add your own.

SPEAKER BOEHNER

:puke:



"I think all we should do is issue subpoenas and have one hearing after another"



Manders: Is there any reason at all for an abortion?

Angle: Not in my book.

Manders: So, in other words, rape and incest would not be something?

Angle: You know, I’m a Christian and I believe that God has a plan and a purpose for each one of our lives and that he can intercede in all kinds of situations and we need to have a little faith in many things.



"a free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination, even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin."



So there should not be a federal minimum wage?

"There should not be. That is not within the scope of the powers that are given to the federal government."

[Radical Activist]

1. We need more progressives in the Senate who will pass a climate change bill.

[OmahaBlueDog]

2. K & R

:kick:

[CaliforniaPeggy]

3. A BIG K&R!

[old mark]

4. K&R - I hope someone posts things like this till November 2nd is history...

if a post like this gets us even one more vote, it is worth while.

Thanks.

Mark

[Scuba]

5. Ron Johnson, Senate candidate, Wisconsin (running against Russ Feingold)

[independent_voter]

6. What have democrats done about 'free' trade/globalism H-1b visa /outsourcing in the last 2 years?

The party seems to have turned a deaf ear to any legitimate concerns about the relentless destruction of jobs for the last 2 years, and finally broke their silence with a very heartfelt 'quit whining' (and people made fun of 'I feel your pain', frankly that was a lot better)

Now that they are facing a tough election, it's out with the scary GOP bogyman sock puppets for me to vote against, right on cue

is that all this party is about?

[jaxx]

8. This party is about Democrats.

We're in it for the long haul.

[independent_voter]

10. hard to argue with that

because you really didnt say anything

[jaxx]

13. What a shame, you didn't get it.

[independent_voter]

15. New slogan "If you have to ask, you dont get it"

that'll broaden the base

[Name removed]

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[JNelson6563]

35. So you won't be voting Dem then?

Just trying to understand just what you're getting at.

Julie

[derby378]

39. Don't put words into my mouth - just read my post and read it again

Besides, I'm an election judge. That answer your question?

[treestar]

46. A boogeyman is a false fear

Are you saying Republicans are in our imagination? Their money, their ownership of the M$M, all that is crazy and they have no chance of winning, and don't have 41 Senate seats?

[USArmyParatrooper]

17. I'm sorry being told to quit whining hurt your feelings.

But turning a deaf ear to the destruction of jobs? You have got to be kidding me.

When Obama took office the great financial crisis (yes CRISIS is not an understatement) was still in its genesis and job losses were at 750,000 per month.

And now....

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/27/timothy-geithner/geithner-claims-us-had-six-months-positive-job-gro/

"We've seen six months of positive job growth by the private sector."

And mind you, we're still in positive private sector job growth. (The Census jobs skewed the numbers on the positive and negative side in different months).

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2010/0903/Unemployment-rate-up-to-9.6-percent-but-private-sector-gains-jobs

Private employers added 67,000 jobs in August. But the unemployment rate ticked up from the July figure of 9.5 percent – in part because more people came back into the labor force to look for work.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=recession">On technical merit the recession was officially over a year ago. Unfortunately the unemployment rate is always the last number to improve when recessions end and recovery begins. But think about where the country was headed and where we are now. We were facing our entire financial system and our auto industry on the brink of total collapse. Job losses were snowballing month after month and totaled three quarters of a million lost per month when President Obama took over.

And while there are legitimate concerns about the pace of the recovery, the fact that we're already talking about the pace of the recovery is simply amazing.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/did-the-stimulus-create-jobs/

Did the Stimulus Create Jobs?

Yes, the stimulus legislation increased employment, despite false Republican claims to the contrary.

September 27, 2010

Summary

The economic stimulus package is a favorite target of Republican candidates and groups, but more than a few ads falsely claim it did not create or save any jobs. Some recent examples:

* Republican House candidate Dan Debicella charges that Democratic Rep. Jim Himes failed Connecticut’s families because he voted for a "stimulus package that has done nothing to reduce unemployment."
* Rick Scott, the Republican candidate for governor in Florida, says Democrat Alex Sink "backed the failed stimulus bill, which created debt, not jobs."
* Similarly, Sink — who never served in Congress and didn’t vote on the bill — is attacked by the Republican Party of Florida in an ad that says the stimulus "gave us big debt and no jobs."
* Americans for Prosperity, a conservative group that does not have to disclose its donors, aired an ad against Democratic congressional candidate Denny Heck of Washington that claimed the "$787 billion stimulus … failed to save and create jobs." The group has launched similar ads against other Democrats.
* Kristi Noem, a Republican House candidate from South Dakota, calls the measure a "jobless stimulus."

The truth is that the stimulus increased employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million people, compared with what employment would have been otherwise. That’s according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Analysis

The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, more commonly known as the stimulus bill, has been featured in more than 130 TV ads this year, according to a database maintained by Kantar Media’s Campaign Media Analysis Group. In many of those ads, Republicans claim the bill has "failed" (a matter of opinion) or state (correctly) that unemployment has gone up since President Barack Obama signed the bill into law on Feb. 17, 2009. The national unemployment rate was 8.2 percent in February 2009, and it now stands at 9.6 percent, having peaked at 10.1 percent in October 2009.

But it’s just false to say that the stimulus created "no jobs" or "failed to save and create jobs" or "has done nothing to reduce unemployment" – or similar claims that the stimulus did not produce any jobs.

As we have written before, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office released a report in August that said the stimulus bill has "owered the unemployment rate by between 0.7 percentage points and 1.8 percentage points" and "ncreased the number of people employed by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million."

Simply put, more people would be unemployed if not for the stimulus bill. The exact number of jobs created and saved is difficult to estimate, but nonpartisan economists say there’s no doubt that the number is positive.

NOTE Factcheck.org allows, even prefers their articles to be reposted complete.
http://www.factcheck.org/about/copyright-policy /

[independent_voter]

18. nothing you said addressed the issues i raised

which are the real long term problems of jobs

i heard a financial guy say earlier in the crisis "there's been enough stimulus to make a corpse stand up" and he was right

but none of it's changed anything, except reload the economy's flawed globalist model with borrowed cash

[USArmyParatrooper]

19. Sure I did

Even with the 'filibuster everything' minority in the Senate, Obama and the Democrats have passed an enormous amount of positive legislation in a wide range of areas - including jobs. And oh, on the jobs front they also have the results to prove it.

Did they cover your specific issues to your satisfaction? According to you they haven't. So here's an easy solution for you - don't vote for the Democrats. Stay home since that's what it seems your advocating in this thread. I have absolutely no doubt that literally nothing anyone says in this thread will make you suddenly announce that you had better go vote in November. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince the unconvinceable.

That being said, if your agenda is simply to try to encourage other Democrats to stay home and help the Republicans win then have at it. It's a free country.

[independent_voter]

21. My field's still being creamed with H-1b visas

easiest thing in the world to 'create jobs' would be to quit replacing American workers with foreign in a deep recession - wouldnt cost anything but campaign contrabutions - wouldnt cost the taxpayer a cent

neither party has done anything to address this - we still have "H-1b Only" jobs ads, and fake job ads used to sponsor H-1bs

if they did something about this before november, yes, I would change my tune and vote Democrat. and advise same to others

[Beetwasher]

23. So You Have A Single Pet Issue The You DEMAND Be Addressed Before You Vote For Someone?

Well, that's certainly constructive. :eyes:

[independent_voter]

27. when that single issue is blatent discrimination, it's legit

see for yourself - an "h-1b Only" job ad

http://community.dice.com/t5/Tech-Market-Conditions/LinkedIn-com-quot-H1B-only-quot-job/td-p/163621

would you say the same to someone who complained about 'white only' ads in their field of work?

i'm just a little fed up with being lectured about how bad discrimination is. but being told "well that's OK" when I point out that I'm on the receiving end of it

[Beetwasher]

28. Waahhh!!!! The Dems Haven't Solved EVERYTHING Yet To My Personal Satisfaction!!! Wahhhh!!!!

Just admit you were never planning on voting for any Dems in the first place.

[independent_voter]

29. wow

the attitude here is far worse than i thought

[Beetwasher]

30. If You're Any Indication, Indeed It Is, YOU'RE The One Staying Home

No one is saying your pet issue shouldn't be addressed, just that it's stupid to expect the Dems to have solved every single fucking problem in the universe already. So everything they HAVE done is irrelevant because YOUR pet issue remains. What a myopic, narcissistic attitude.

[independent_voter]

37. Democrats need to learn the art of subtlety

even if you think you wont get what you want from somone RIGHT NOW, it never pays to think further ahead

some great quotes from the TV show 'Dallas'

Jock: You gotta to learn the art of subtlety.

J.R.: Why should I be subtle?

Jock: Because the lack of it turns competitors into enemies, and enemies into fanatics

[Beetwasher]

41. You're Quoting "Dallas"? Staying Home And Not Voting Because Your Pet Issue Isn't Solved Is Called

having a temper tantrum. And there's nothing subtle about it.

[independent_voter]

42. it's a great quote

and it doesnt surpise me that all you care about is who said something, rather than what is said

[Beetwasher]

45. Says The Guy Having A "Subtle" Temper Tantrum

:rofl:

Seriously, if you think that's a great quote, you must worship at the Hallmark card section at the pharmacy.

[handmade34]

48. I would suggest

that it is very healthy to be unhappy with the status quo... I would bet that none of us here are satisfied with all that is taking place... we all want more jobs for people, less discrimination, better health care, etc....and on and on.

Not voting or voting other than Democrat at this point will most likely only make things worse... I would suggest that trying to work with the Republicans, should they take the majority in Congress would be much less successful than keeping the Dems in the majority and then working hard to keep their feet to the fire...

[independent_voter]

50. I appreciate your tact

you have the kind of attitude that opens minds

[treestar]

44. The Republicans would increase H-1bs and outsourcing

[USArmyParatrooper]

47. Plus the Democrats at least put some restrictions on it

I didn't bother pointing that out because I figured it was really a smokescreen issue with him.

[Beetwasher]

22. Wow! Don't Vote Dem Because They Haven't Completely Solved My Pet Issue....YET!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that makes sense. They haven't done EVERYTHING YOU demand and to YOUR satisfaction. So you're staying home. That'll get your issue solved. :eyes:

[independent_voter]

31. 'pet issue' is systematic destruction of working and middle classes

and that pet is the 800 lb gorilla in the room

it's not paris hiltons chihuahua

[Beetwasher]

33. Yeah, Ignore Everything Else Because YOUR Pet Issue Hasn't Been Addressed YET

The Dems have done nothing because YOUR personal single issue has not be addressed to your personal satisfaction. How narcissistic of you.

[grantcart]

38. politics is not really a boutique hobby where you pick and choose this issue or that

candidate.


Politics, and this holds true for all representative democracies is a team sport. It is full contact like hockey or football.


You have your values and compare them with the teams that are playing.


In our legislative bodies there are two caucuses. There are no third party caucuses, there are no independents.


You either want the Republicans in charge or the Democrats.


This is basic 101 political reality but I understand it may be beyond your grasp.

[independent_voter]

40. globalism/ free trade is not a 'boutique issue' for the middle/working classes

"You either want the Republicans in charge or the Democrats."

on critical issues like this, i need at least a dime's worth of difference

[grantcart]

49. Your not going to get it. Some regions its a big issue others its not

So you are completely free to sit down and be completely irrelevent.

[treestar]

43. What have the Republicans done about it?

If you think the Republicans are going to do anything about any of those things except increase them, you're out of your mind.

[Scurrilous]

7. K & R

:thumbsup:

[krabigirl]

9. And people in ca need to vote for Prop 19. And for Brown and Boxer.

I will cry if Whitman is my governor.

[DevonRex]

11. K&R. nt

[BrklynLiberal]

12. Adam Green and Frank Schaeffer mention lots and lots of reasons to be sure to get out and vote!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9257973

[NJmaverick]

14. K & R!

[jaxx]

16. Another reason to vote in November.

I can see China from my house.

[treestar]

20. Rec. Eyes on the real enemy now!

[Lucian]

24. Two reasons. 1. We here in MN have an extreme Conservative running for Gov.

Don't want that. We thought Pawlenty was bad, if Emmer is governor, things will be A LOT worse. I'm hoping Mark Dayton wins.

2. To vote Michele Bachmann out of office. She's certifiably insane. Nuff said. Vote for Tarryl Clark, for those of you who live in MN District 6.

[pstokely]

25. The line will be short

nt

[HughMoran]

32. Yikes! Psycho patrol! You forgot the witch

:D

[Vincardog]

34. I can't vote in November. I voted in September.

[handmade34]

36. +1

[proteus_lives]

51. K/R!

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Reason enough for me. K&R. (nt)