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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:32 PM
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Mo Tucker, and now Arlo Guthrie are Teabaggers
It just kind of stuns me...but then again Stupid is a communicable disease
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:34 PM
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1. Arlo Guthrie? HOW?!?
Link?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:36 PM
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3. He came out fighting against health care, and said he was a registered Republican
And this was in the age of Bush*....

http://pajamasmedia.com/ronradosh/2009/07/26/hey-arlo-the-times-they-are-a-changin/

Pardon the teabagger rag
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:41 PM
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5. Arlo - message from your Dad
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:52 PM
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12. Apparently that machine is infront of an organ that makes one.
n.t.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:55 PM
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16. Wow! That was so clever I couldn't even laugh,
I could only stare open-mouthed in amazement!

:applause:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:51 AM
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30. Of course I am skeptic as to whether Arlo really is believes all that but hey..
Bad jokes are bad jokes...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:24 AM
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33. On the contrary, that was an excellent joke.
Breathtakingly excellent!

;-)
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:50 PM
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25. There are many reasons that Dad liked that Zimmerman kid a lot better than Arlo
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OilemFirchen Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:44 PM
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8. Bullshit
The turd at PaScamas Media even quoted him, prior to reading his mind:

"I became a registered Republican about five or six years ago because to have a successful democracy you have to have at least two parties, and one of them was failing miserably. We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition."

That's far from being a teabagger.
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OilemFirchen Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:50 PM
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9. Moreso...
Guthrie's never cared about party identity. He's an issue-by-issue guy. Trust me.

From a more recent interview (4/22/10):

Many who remember Guthrie for his satirical 18-minute “Alice’s Restaurant’s Massacre,” an anti-war talking blues song, and the 1969 movie “Alice’s Restaurant” might be surprised to know that he voted in 2008 as a Republican for Ron Paul for president.

“I still like the guy,” Guthrie said. “A lot of what he had to say was return to constitutional fundamentals.”

Guthrie also likes Barack Obama.

“I think he’s doing fairly well. I think he means well. I think the people surrounding him are not my favorites,” Guthrie said. “He sees the battle going on between corporate interests and everyday people. To the extent that Obama sees the world this way, I’m with him.”

What does he think about the tea party movement? “Why not,” he said, “… as long as people speak up and say what’s on their minds.” He said he can identify with the movement in the sense that “I’ve always been out there in an adversarial position.”


http://grahamkislingbury.mvourtown.com/2010/04/22/arlo-guthrie-on-old-friends-politics-and-audiences/
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:06 PM
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23. Thank you for clarifying.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:33 AM
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34. A lot of what he had to say was also anti women and anti-minority
But for some reason Ron Paul supports ignore those sound bites. Sounds like Arlo is a low information voter or more likely just being the joker that he is.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:33 AM
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35. Arlo was also an adherent of some kind of Eastern religion
I know he had a guru as recently as a decade ago.

Not sure if he still is with this guru or what his spirituality is these days, but if he's into some esoteric form of Hinduism or Buddhism, he would have a much larger view of politics transcending partisanship.

The quote from the article you provide reminded me of his religious views.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:42 PM
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6. 'This machine is fascist'
Edited on Tue Oct-05-10 02:42 PM by BurtWorm
:patriot:
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:35 PM
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2. Arlo Guthrie? Oh, God, no, say it isn't so. nt
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WeekendWarrior Donating Member (849 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:55 PM
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27. It isn't so.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:53 AM
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31. - moved downthread -
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 07:56 AM by saltpoint

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flakey_foont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:40 PM
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4. Arlo?
somehow I just cannot picture him in the same company as Victoria Jackson
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John Kerry VonErich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:44 PM
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7. If true, Arlo will pay the price for his lack of vision.
nt
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:51 PM
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One would hope that, wouldn't one?
But I don't believe in Karma
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:51 PM
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10. I think he is being quirky.
He says he's for building infrastructure, universal healthcare, open marriage rules. Maybe he's trying to work inside.

He did crap on unions though.

--imm
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:52 PM
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11. His comments on that are weird. From the NYT's interview...
Where are you politically these days?
I became a registered Republican about five or six years ago because to have a successful democracy you have to have at least two parties, and one of them was failing miserably. We had enough good Democrats. We needed a few more good Republicans. We needed a loyal opposition.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/magazine/26fob-q4-t.html?_r=2&ref=todayspaper

Then from Wikipedia:

Guthrie endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for the 2008 Republican Party nomination. He said, "I love this guy. Dr. Paul is the only candidate I know of who would have signed the Constitution of the United States had he been there. I'm with him, because he seems to be the only candidate who actually believes it has as much relevance today as it did a couple of hundred years ago. I look forward to the day when we can work out the differences we have with the same revolutionary vision and enthusiasm that is our American legacy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlo_Guthrie#Politics

It sounds to me like he doesn't have a clue about politics and just goes with what sounds coolest to him at the moment whether it makes sense or not. So I guess he is a Republican.

Ron Paul would have been opposed to the Constitution in 1789. I doubt that's arguable. It greatly increased the power of the federal government, gave them almost unlimited spending power, and said nothing about Paul's favorite issues, like abortion. Paul would have been leading the charge against it. Which means Arlo has no idea what's in the Constitution, and very little idea of what Ron Paul stands for.
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mucifer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:53 PM
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13. too many drugs in the '60s nt
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:54 PM
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14. Arlo???? NO!!!!
Now how the hell can I listen to "Alice's Restaurant" without wanting to puke?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:54 PM
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26. I had that problem before I knew Guthrie was a dirtbag
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 05:56 PM
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29. I really liked "Alice's Restaurant"...I'm sad now.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:54 PM
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15. Any source info on Arlo being a teabagger? This is the best I could find:

http://grahamkislingbury.mvourtown.com/2010/04/22/arlo-guthrie-on-old-friends-politics-and-audiences/

Seems like he's a Ron Paul fan. Probably part of the original "tea party" before it got co-opted by the "Jim DeMint Julep" crowd.

One blogger tries to say that the 'baggers are like the hippies of this generation... LOL

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=29562

< bagger >

I’m wondering if Arlo hasn’t also been thinking, like me, that these tea party folks could be the hippies of today. They have no leaders, no lobbyists in Washington, no financial backers telling them what to do next.

But they do have powerful media critics. The mainstream newspapers and news outlets have spent a lot of time and energy trying to demonize and marginalize the tea party movement. I’m sure Arlo remembers how the establishment treated hippies in the 1960s, when even tossing Frisbees in the park was suddenly deemed a subversive activity. < / teabag >

I think this guy has it backwards... its the Teabaggers who are supported by lobbyists and corporate money men (FreedomWorks and the rest of Dick Armey's army of dicks). If anything the news outlets have gone out of their way to legitimize the Tea Party, and not expose its message of intolerance, meanness, and coded racism. And while I might be able to toss a frisbee in the park, if I were to say... play soccer, the teabaggers would be there to ask for my citizenship papers.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 02:57 PM
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17. I'm not sure I'd call Arlo a Teabagger. He is a libertarian
Here is a statement he put on his website (arlo.net) back in July 2009, describing his beliefs:




I haven't been home very much - yet. But that will change now that we're getting into the heart of summertime. I've been getting quite a few responses to the posts here at arlo.net concerning various subjects. I've been thinking it would be a good idea to further the conversation. There's controversy surrounding just about everything going on these days. And although I think discussing difficult subjects is good for the soul, I constantly have to remind myself that it ain't all there is.

For example, about 5 or 6 years ago I left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party. I did so because I believed that my voice (and others like mine) needed to be heard where it would be most useful. Frankly, I still don't believe there's a whole lot of difference between the two. But, a healthy democracy needs a loyal and healthy opposition. Without it we run the risk of a march toward totalitarianism that would be difficult to halt.

At the time the Republicans were in power everywhere and they were seemingly taken over by ideas that ran counter to traditional Republican positions. They used to be for less big government intrusion into our lives. To me that's usually always a good idea.

So what was up with interfering in matters of who can marry who? That's a big invasion into personal freedoms and liberties. Those who try to control our personal lives are not only not for traditional Republican values, they're not even really for American values. The way I view it, the state has no business in the house let alone the bedroom. The way I would resolve the current controversy would be to insure that secular marriage be open to anyone. And that religious marriage not be infringed upon by the state - to marry or not as their traditions permit. Both religious and secular marriages would be acknowledged as it is now. That, to me, should be the Republican position.

What's up with the bail outs etc? I hate to say it but the arguments in Congress and on TV miss the more important points. Talking heads and political animals arguing about how much to spend and where are not talking about the basic truth - that when more dollars get printed, the less each dollar is worth. With trillions of dollars being manufactured to pay for bail outs and other tasks, each dollar buys less stuff. Not only have we given gazillionaires our tax dollars, we've made each dollar we still posses just about worthless. Saving and creating jobs may be an appropriate government intrusion in extraordinary times, but to do so in a way that makes our money worthless benefits no one in the long and endangers the nation. A return to real money - where the value is not up for discussion is the only protection a wage earner really has. That, to me, should be the Republican position.

What's up with rebuilding infrastructure? The best way to insure we'll have a 20th century transportation system in the 21st century is to rebuild the existing infrastructure. I thought by now we'd be flying around in personal (automobile-size) vehicles. There's no reason we can't be building vehicles that use magnetic fields for flight and navigation... okay maybe I'm getting ahead of things. The point is that it seems easier to get to the freaking moon than it does to get from coast to coast. Who's thinking about that stuff? Constantly widening roads and bridges that devour the land with all the intersecting attributes of the same chains of crappola shops and fast (nutritionally worthless genetically modified and just plain bad) food restaurants can't be the next best hope for our nation's infrastructure. That, to me, should be a Republican concern.

What's up with health care? In a world where even the good guys (National Public Radio, Farm Aid etc.) are sponsored and funded by organizations more powerful than any nation, it's hard to imagine that the bottom line will not be what's profitable, instead of what is beneficial. Can the two co-exist? Sure. Do they? No. The sad truth looks to be that it's more profitable to have a nation filled with people who are in bad health, than a nation of healthy people. The current administration and the Congress has been talking about how to make health care accessible to everyone, because they all know that these multinational organizations will be more than happy to provide long term drugs and services to a nation that permits and even encourages bad health whether or not a new health care plan comes into being. It's a win - win for government, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, hospitals, doctors, lawyers and agriculture. Only you lose.

The march has already begun around the world to outlaw the use of natural medicines - vitamins, minerals, herbs, and other plants so that you will become a criminal and a law breaker when you try to care for your own family in your own way. You are no longer responsible for yourself or your family, as the state has in no uncertain terms made it clear that you belong to the nation, and the nation has every right to protect you and your family from yourselves. The child in the midwest with cancer forced to undergo chemo and radiation being only the latest example. Is this not a cause for some loyal opposition? Where the hell are these guys when you need them? It's not a matter of being right or wrong. I've been both many times. It's a matter of having a real contest of ideas between different opinions. Sadly the Republican voice has drifted off to Neverland while the larger issues of what health care actually is gets run over by arguments of how and who will pay for it.

I want government and big business out of my garden. I want insurance companies out of my way when I go visit my doc. I want to pilot my cool 21st century flying electro-magnetic car. I want real money. And I want to get out of the business of being in politics in either party. But, someone has to say something. And these are just a few of the things I think need to be said. There's more... Wars, interventions, useless government agencies, education policies, privacy issues, an end to criminalization of personal choice things... all kinds of stuff.

Granted I've had two cups of coffee this morning, so I've gone on longer than I should have. And like i noted above, I don't expect to be right on anything. I'm perfectly capable of listening to a good argument and changing my mind. I'm not a piece of stone. Please feel free to take issue with me on anything - I enjoy changing my mind. I just wouldn't expect anything beyond a good friendly listen. There's more to this world than getting involved but there's times you just feel like you have to do something, say something or be somebody - however uncalled for. There is, in my view a larger bigger picture where we are all stuck on some little tiny world in a very big universe of unimaginable largeness. Like ants figuring out which way back to the ant hill, our journeys however big they may seem to us, are small in the big picture of things.

That's no excuse not to get back to the hill... An ant's gotta do what an ant's gotta do. Keeping the big picture in mind, knowing there's more to life than arguing about everything, but maintaining the basic nature of a free and democratic nation, taking care of each other in ways that encourage security, prosperity and tranquility - Freedom, Liberty, Justice - You know, all the good stuff, these are worth talking about. I'll go on talking and thinking about these things wherever I think they need to be heard, even though I know full well, they won't be inviting me to any clambakes or anything. Good thing I got my own clams... adg
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OilemFirchen Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:04 PM
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18. Here's a link to that blog post:
http://www.arlo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=13565

His ideas are clearly libertarian, but left-libertarian if a label is necessary.

But teabagger? Fuck no.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:14 PM
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19. Setting time machine for 1987 or so...
so as to un-attend the concert for which I rode the train all the way up from Chi-town to Ravinia. :(
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:31 PM
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20. Who's Mo Tucker????
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 03:35 PM
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21. The woman who isn't wearing a light blue dress in this picture
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:57 PM
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28. Drummer for the Velvet Underground.
Real name Maureen Tucker.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:03 PM
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22. Arlo Guthrie????!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:cry: :cry: :cry:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-10 04:48 PM
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24. Arlo "Talent is Not Genetic" Guthrie crossed a picket line years ago...
at that point, I knew he was a douchebag
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:56 AM
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32. Arlo Guthrie is a registered Republican?
The hell you say.

I'd have to see some documentation on that. It's really hard to believe.
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