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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:08 AM
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Sen. Chris Dodd says 60,000 Iraqis have died since Bush invaded and occupied Iraq
Help me here. Where does Dodd get this number from? Anyone know?

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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:15 AM
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1. 60,000 is a conservative estimate
There is no agreement on an exact figure. Iraqbodycount.net places the number between 64,000 and 70,000, but the Lancet--a British medical journal--has estimated the number to be ten times higher.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:34 AM
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2. Sen Dodd is off by a factor of 10-15.
The only comprehensive study using accepted demographic techniques for analysing casualty rates in crisis zones is the Lancet study, and that put the number over a year ago at 650,000, which would be around 800,000 now. The Bullshit Media System simply rejects those numbers as they make it obvious that we have become war criminals of a world class status.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:41 AM
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3. Iraq Body Count uses an unacceptable methodology - Lancet study is sound.
Edited on Sun May-20-07 10:42 AM by IndyOp
They include only individuals whose deaths were reported in "public domain newsgathering agencies with web access." In a time of war it is absurd to think that each death will be reported in a newspaper, much less in a newspaper with web access. They don't even attempt to get coroner's reports from one region to estimate how many deaths occurring actually appear in the newspapers so that they can adjust their estimate.

From Iraq Body Count: Casualty figures are derived from a comprehensive survey of online media reports and eyewitness accounts. Where these sources report differing figures, the range (a minimum and a maximum) are given. All results are independently reviewed and error-checked by at least two members of the Iraq Body Count project team in addition to the original compiler before publication. Our sources include public domain newsgathering agencies with web access.

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/background.php


The Lancet study that estimated 655,000 A YEAR AGO - without including Fallujah - is a solid study. Congressman Dennis Kucinich held a held a hearing in the U.S. Congress that was aired on C-SPAN. The scientists from Johns Hopkins explained their results very convincingly - even explaining that their numbers were almost certainly an underestimate because they did not send people out to survey in neighborhoods they thought were unsafe - where it is likely more people had died. They also did not include Fallujah - a bloodbath. Their methods are standard for epidemiology - they went house to house and asked people how many of their relatives had died. In many homes they asked to see a death certificate and in over 90% of the homes in which they asked to see a death certificate the family immediately produced one.


British backtrack on Iraq death toll
By Jill Lawless
Published: 27 March 2007

British government officials have backed the methods used by scientists who concluded that more than 600,000 Iraqis have been killed since the invasion, the BBC reported yesterday.

The Government publicly rejected the findings, published in The Lancet in October. But the BBC said documents obtained under freedom of information legislation showed advisers concluded that the much-criticised study had used sound methods.

The study, conducted by researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and the Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad, estimated that 655,000 more Iraqis had died since March 2003 than one would expect without the war. The study estimated that 601,027 of those deaths were from violence.

The researchers, reflecting the inherent uncertainties in such extrapolations, said they were 95 per cent certain that the real number of deaths lay somewhere between 392,979 and 942,636.

The conclusion, based on interviews and not a body count, was disputed by some experts, and rejected by the US and British governments. But the chief scientific adviser to the Ministry of Defence, Roy Anderson, described the methods used in the study as "robust" and "close to best practice". Another official said it was "a tried and tested way of measuring mortality in conflict zones".

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece




October 11, 2006

Updated Iraq Survey Affirms Earlier Mortality Estimates

Mortality Trends Comparable to Estimates by Those Using Other Counting Methods

As many as 654,965 more Iraqis may have died since hostilities began in Iraq in March 2003 than would have been expected under pre-war conditions, according to a survey conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. The deaths from all causes—violent and non-violent—are over and above the estimated 143,000 deaths per year that occurred from all causes prior to the March 2003 invasion.

The estimates were derived from a nationwide household survey of 1,849 households throughout Iraq conducted between May and July 2006. The results are consistent with the findings of an October 2004 study of Iraq mortality conducted by the Hopkins researchers. Also, the findings closely reflect the increased mortality trends reported by other organizations that utilized passive methods of counting mortality, such as counting bodies in morgues or deaths reported by the news media. The study is published in the October 14, 2006, edition of the peer-reviewed scientific journal, The Lancet.

“As we found with our previous survey, the majority of deaths in Iraq are due to violence—although we also saw a small increase in deaths from non-violent causes, such as heart disease, cancer and chronic illness. Gunshots were the primary cause of violent deaths. To put these numbers in context, deaths are occurring in Iraq now at a rate more than three times that from before the invasion of March 2003,” said Gilbert Burnham, MD, PhD, lead author of the study and co-director of the Bloomberg School’s Center for Refugee and Disaster Response. “Our total estimate is much higher than other mortality estimates because we used a population-based, active method for collecting mortality information rather than passive methods that depend on counting bodies or tabulated media reports of violent deaths. Though the numbers differ, the trend in increasing numbers of deaths closely follows that measured by the U.S. Defense Department and the Iraq Body Count group.”

Key points of the study include:

• Estimated 654,965 additional deaths in Iraq between March 2003 and July 2006

• Majority of the additional deaths (91.8 percent) caused by violence

• Males aged 15-44 years accounted for 59 percent of post-invasion violent deaths

• About half of the households surveyed were uncertain who was responsible for the death of a household member

• The proportion of deaths attributed to coalition forces diminished in 2006 to 26 percent. Between March 2003 and July 2006, households attributed 31 percent of deaths to the coalition

• Mortality data from the 2006 study reaffirms 2004 estimates by Hopkins researchers and mirrors upward trends measured by other organizations

• Researchers recommend establishment of an international body to calculate mortality and monitor health of people living in all regions affected by conflict

The mortality survey used well-established and scientifically proven methods for measuring mortality and disease in populations. These same survey methods were used to measure mortality during conflicts in the Congo, Kosovo, Sudan and other regions. For the Iraq study, data were collected from 47 randomly selected clusters of 40 households each. At each household selected, trained Iraqi surveyors collected data on the number of births and deaths that occurred in the household between January 1, 2002, and June 30, 2006. To be considered a household member, the deceased had to have lived in the home at least three months prior to death. When interviewers asked to see a death certificate at households reporting a death, it was presented in 92 percent of instances. The survey recorded 1,474 births and 629 deaths among 12,801 people surveyed. The data were then applied to the 26.1 million Iraqis living in the survey area.


While the survey collected information on the manner of death, the study did not examine the circumstances of the death, such as whether the deceased was actively involved in armed combat, terrorism, criminal activity or caught in the middle of the conflict. The study outlines other limitations of the survey method, including the hazards of collecting data during a conflict.

The results from the new study closely match the finding of the group’s October 2004 mortality survey. The earlier study, also published in The Lancet, estimated over 100,000 additional deaths from all causes had occurred in Iraq from March 2003 to August 2004. When data from the new study were examined, it estimated 112,000 deaths for the same time period of the 2004 study. The new survey also found that the number of deaths attributed to coalition forces had declined in 2006, though overall households attributed 31 percent of deaths to the coalition. Responsibility could not be attributed in 45 percent of the violent deaths.

According to the researchers, the overall rate of mortality in Iraq since March 2003 is 13.3 deaths per 1,000 persons per year compared to 5.5 deaths per 1,000 persons per year prior to March 2003. This amounts to about 2.5 percent of Iraqi’s population having died as a consequence of the war. To put the 654,000 deaths in context with other conflicts, the authors note that during the Vietnam War an estimated 3 million civilians died overall; the Congo conflict was responsible for 3.8 million deaths; and recent estimates are that 200,000 have died in Darfur over the past 31 months.

“Mortality after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: a cross-sectional cluster sample survey” was written by Gilbert Burnham, Riyadh Lafta, Shannon Doocy and Les Roberts.

Funding for the study was provided by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and the Johns Hopkins Center for Refugee and Disaster Response.

Public Affairs media contacts for the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health: Tim Parsons or Kenna Lowe at 410-955-6878 or paffairs@jhsph.edu.

http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html



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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 12:21 PM
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6. Right Wing critics of Lancet never ask themselves
How and where estimates about the number who died under Saddam were derived.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:44 AM
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4. He got that number from Wrongwing Talking Points. It is over 600,000 dead.
Edited on Sun May-20-07 10:44 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
He also picked up the term "War On Terror" from the Shrub's gang, buying into Endless War......
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-20-07 10:48 AM
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5. Sen. Dudd misplaced a zero. Which works out well, because
Sen. Dudd is a zero.
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