|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:20 AM Original message |
I can't believe we are debating a house being allowed to burn like this |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
1. i am not debating that. i am debating libertarian policy gutting our democratic social net work |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. Bingo |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Blecht (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. Welcome to America |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. I can't believe that everyone on DU doesn't agree completely with me.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I have to wonder your thoughts about |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. I lost a paid for home to fire in 1973.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. humm interesting no answer |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. OK, when did you quit beating your wife? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. is this your way of avoiding the question? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I got tired before I counted all the question marks in your OP.. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. ok I think we know where you are. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
88. Thanks for taking one for the team... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LTX (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #39 |
184. I'll take a stab at your "questions" -- |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
162. Well, I'm certain you deserved that loss. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think if someone doesn't pay their fire service fee the |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
6. as someone who has lost everything i own in a fire, i cannot understand it myself. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #6 |
14. 75 a year is not a lot for anyone... $6.27 a month. .21 a day. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. $75 due once per year is a lot for people living hand to mouth |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. i have been that poor and though 75 here and there hurts, 75 is still not that much |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Your experience aside, there are many people who would find that $75 once/year to be a major burden. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. i disagree. when i had no money, none, not a cent... i found ways to get |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Again, what you were able to do is not generalizable to the poorest of the poor. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. again, i dont agree. tough, yes. a consistent means, no. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #37 |
64. 'till you run out of things to pawn? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. yes there is the pawning. but there is the odd jobs too, that one would not do long term |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #72 |
118. Odd jobs, unless you are in a wheelchair, or otherwise disabled. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
119. lol, do you offer inspirational or motivational seminars or something? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #119 |
126. never mind, i see you are being sarcastic.... nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #64 |
166. So you're against property taxes in general? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #37 |
116. Did you have children at the time? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:41 AM Response to Reply #37 |
173. were you selling drugs??? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:22 AM Response to Reply #173 |
180. no. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. I get that because the guy on Countdown looked lower income, a lot on here |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. My comment was about the universal affordability of paying a $75 fee |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I understand that you are looking at a wee slice of a larger pie. Thanks for admitting it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
114. Sorry, I thought that I made that clear in the prior post. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
156. Here's a point to consider.... a low income senior citizen or |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. if he had another fire already, maybe there is something else he needs |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
91. The interviews with the farmer- he said they had called previously |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:56 PM Response to Reply #91 |
115. As for the wealth issue please take a moment to read Hannah Bell's excellent post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #31 |
123. ^ Exactly. And everybody has known somebody like him, I bet ^ |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:08 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Worth noting, for sure, and he says they are planning on paying out, though |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. so let the freakin house burn is what you are saying? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. oh wow, back at you cause that isnt what i fuckin said huh. geez dude, get a grip |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
52. Yep, let the freakin' house burn. It's just property. As for the pets in the house, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. that is not the point and what is so disturbing |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. "Humane" to a house? Wow, that's a bizarre concept. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. maybe you need to think more into what you read |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. the owners either let their animals burn up or lied about the animals burning up |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. You are assuming stuff here to some degree but |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. when you accuse FD of allowing animals to burn, then yes, it is important to address that. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. So I'm guessing you'd consider inhumane if all the same things occurred |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. of course it is not a point, but a point in the poster i was responding to, that i wanted to make |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:06 PM Response to Reply #14 |
97. The selfishness is legend. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #97 |
178. The only "selfishness" in this story is the county residents |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #178 |
191. It is sociopathic to have the means to easily put out the fire and not do it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:14 PM Response to Reply #191 |
192. the dude that leaves his animals in house to die? not buy subscribe to protect loved ones, neighbors |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:06 PM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Sociopathic |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
172. if you stuck me with a 75 dollar bill today |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:25 AM Response to Reply #172 |
181. oh... reggie. we dont need to know some things |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. once the divorce goes through |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 02:26 PM Response to Reply #186 |
187. truly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 04:15 PM Response to Reply #187 |
189. thanks |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. The robber baron Jay Gould once said, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
8. Deleted message |
sailor65 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
9. I can't believe you've got it so wrong..... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. you are the one who got it wrong |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Remember that during Katrina, there were people here blaming |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. wow sorry to hear that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. There are always people who blame the victim. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. And the hikers who should have been left to die |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
96. My ex-boss (a repug) |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:34 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. So uninsured Katrina victims are somehow different? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
77. Most of them were poor and did not choose to not have a car, or not have home insurance |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. I get that "he could afford it and Katrina victims could not" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
161. Then you should be blaming the subhuman who didn't pay for his FD service, not the FD. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:36 AM Response to Reply #82 |
175. How about people who refuse to contribute to the well-being of society? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. Civilized people don't. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
11. KNR |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
15. IMO, they should have put the fire out BUT... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #15 |
74. choices should have |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
17. My understanding of the situation is . . . |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
142. His neighbor subscribed... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
18. I can't believe people still don't understand that emergency services aren't free |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
21. I understand |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
24. This version of DU really sucks. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. It's the "I have mine, fuck you" Republican mentality |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:43 PM Original message |
that is exactly the mentality and law in the county that voted it in. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
43. I embrace compassion and "we the people" and... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:12 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. you should care wht someone ideology is cause it could be the ruination of yours.... that being |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:46 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. Well sister, that's what makes me the bigger, better person, doesn't it? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #83 |
87. well GF, wow. did i suggest that JL? or are you fabricating an argument |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Perhaps you should explain that last comment then... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. no. that is not what i was saying, even kinda |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
59. aMeNN! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. and some duers actually are beyond the actual event of the house being burned and looking at |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #43 |
68. To an extent you are exactly correct. Libertarians aren't going to learn the foolishness |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
76. When did fire departments become cost-free? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. What a vile, disgusting, subhuman question |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:10 AM Response to Reply #86 |
164. It's a perfectly valid question. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:39 AM Response to Reply #86 |
176. You can "not give a flying rat's ass" all you want |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
80. That should be the core belief of the Democratic party... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #24 |
190. It's a very small number of posters who embrace the "let it burn down" view. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
jonnyblitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
25. apparently some feel the homeowner should be punished |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jamastiene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. I wonder what the homeowner's actual political party affiliation is. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. Not for wrong political philosophy, but wrong financial priority. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
165. He doesn't 'deserve' it. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. Money over people is not a liberal or progressive ideal |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
71. Not people, property. People were not injured or harmed. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
90. People were harmed... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #90 |
105. How many times do you have to be told that the owners by the guy's own |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. I don't care who is at fault... pointing fingers means nothing afaic |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. Blame the FD but don't make the owner have one ounce |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #112 |
159. "He's scum and he deserved what he got" |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #159 |
182. hey,... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:28 AM Response to Reply #112 |
174. "He's scum and he deserved what he got." |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #107 |
129. wow... wow. well, as a humanitarian, i find that horribly offensive. i do see that it matters |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
LTX (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 12:22 PM Response to Reply #107 |
185. Really? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #105 |
128. there are a couple things, but this is what i find amazing. the inherent dishonesty continually |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
32. Should unions protect employees who don't join the union? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
73. No, people's choices should be honored, otherwise what's the point in giving a choice |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #32 |
109. Fact is that Union won rights and benefits have been |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
38. I don't support the way the FD handled this. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
41. Bravo |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
45. Your examples don't seem to meet the current condition |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
47. To allow a house to burn and possibly kill multiple people comes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. True - but that's not the issue here. There was no public fire |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
49. isn't it fascinating that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. you think you really have a gotcha moment. but i really dont know wtf you are talking about. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
78. It's been answered many times in many threads |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
65. You got two competing world views |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #65 |
85. if you are suggesting these two world views on du, you are wrong. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
101. No, try to look beyond DU |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:28 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. i asked for clarification. when one isnt sure, a question is a good thing. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. those who keep trying to argue the case of the FD let me remind |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. And the links have been disintegrating for YEARS. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
79. I think this discussion shows why we don't have single payer |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I support the city and fire department. And I want single payer. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:00 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. then answer this |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #93 |
100. If there were somehow an analogous situation? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. ok then let's look further |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #102 |
130. They tried other way, and failed. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:25 PM Original message |
Not only is being funded after the fact not acceptable, but according to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
137. Exacly. I'm pretty familiar with details of the story. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #137 |
139. Yes, that why I put "anyone else reading" because |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. Well obviously, I'm not saying I'm against an entire county |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:04 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. I understand, just thought that county residents made more sense than |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #93 |
177. Everyone who can afford to do so pays into Medicare |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
81. it is difficult for me to |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
94. last night |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #94 |
104. you post made me more mad at homeowner. how dare he put the firemen in that position for a measly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. the more I read your replies |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:05 PM Response to Reply #110 |
122. wht bothers me is a person does all this to create his mess and then hurts all others |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #104 |
151. i don't believe he "forgot" to pay the money either |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. i dont justify it and havent. but dont let that stop the posters from labeling me... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 12:41 AM Response to Reply #154 |
163. i don't know what the answer here is exactly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #163 |
183. agree on all. opt in/out should be illegal. need the collective pot. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
95. The selfishness is legend. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
99. Fees are *not* the right way to do this. The county should have opted to pay a fire department a set |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. I find it disturbing that |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:42 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. The county is ruled by its voters, and the voters in the unincorporated areas chose |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #108 |
117. you should have read my OP better |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Sorry but taxes are not the same as what you mention here. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. no sale here. You ignore |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. So taxes and human rights are the same? Wow, you do live in a different world. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:24 PM Response to Reply #124 |
134. Once more you prove you aren't able to defend your position |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. Geez, can't you even honor your own decisions? Put me on ignore already. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #136 |
145. wow glad you read my post but what does that say? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:11 PM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Ah, I misread you above post because I'm only barely scanning |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:57 PM Response to Reply #149 |
155. nah I don't use that feature |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Better Today (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:05 PM Response to Reply #155 |
158. Myself and many others have answered your questions. You choose |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
113. I'm with you on this one |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #113 |
133. they did deal with it later, a while ago. they ruled you dont pay, they dont service. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
127. I have yet to hear a reasonable answer to this simple question |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. i hear ya. i would like to know too. raise taxes of the already burdened tax payer? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:08 PM Response to Reply #131 |
148. Of course |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:41 PM Response to Reply #148 |
152. not a single... gotta at all cost put out the fire ... people have answered the question. here it |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:22 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. Many DUers have answered. It seems the answer is |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #132 |
135. well, that is not an answer. or if it is the answer, they are saying, increase city taxpayers |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:37 PM Response to Reply #127 |
150. i find myself agreeing with people who i normally argue with, on this topic. the disconnect on this |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #150 |
179. And it crosses the woodchuck/non-woodchuck divide, strangely |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
138. There's actually no point to "debating" this situation; it is over. To debate is : the NEXT time. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
140. I got sucked in with everyone else. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
SargeUNN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #140 |
144. I might agree except |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:02 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Yea, this is a good sidetrack example. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zax2me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #144 |
160. Additionally... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
shireen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
143. i cannot believe it either .... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
147. There are no winners here, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
153. Maybe fire departments should start checking city tax rolls before they answer a call |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
167. After reading a lot of threads on this subject it seems there are two |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #167 |
169. If anyone should be brought up on charges it's the City Manager who gave the order. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:52 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. I suggested that too, but you know how it goes around here. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:42 AM Response to Original message |
168. I'm with you 100% SargeUNN! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 02:02 AM Response to Original message |
171. This is about a much bigger issue. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
188. K&R! n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Fri Apr 26th 2024, 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC