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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:44 PM
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could GMAC go down in flames? Ohio seeks $25k per false affidavit: >$11.25 BILLION in Ohio alone!
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 07:47 PM by nashville_brook
...and, GMAC might just be the beginning. this could get interesting. -- brook

http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/10/06/ohio-attorney-general-sues-gmac-seeks-25000-per-false-affidavit/

Ohio Attorney General Sues GMAC, Seeks $25,000 Per False Affidavit

This is big news. I just got off a conference call with Richard Cordray, the Attorney General for the state of Ohio. He has filed a lawsuit in Lucas County (Toledo) Common Pleas Court against GMAC Mortgage and their parent company Ally Financial, in a suit which names Jeffrey Stephan, the infamous “robo-signer” who signed off on up to 10,000 foreclosures a month across the country with affidavits, without verifying the information in the foreclosure documents. The lawsuit alleges fraud on the part of GMAC, along with violations of the Ohio Consumer Sales Practices Act, in filing false affidavits to mislead the courts in what they describe as “hundreds” of Ohio foreclosure cases. And, the Attorney General is treating every single false affidavit filed in an Ohio court as a separate violation, with a fine of up to $25,000, plus additional restitution for the homeowner of an unspecified amount.

This is a major lawsuit, and as Cordray told reporters, “We’re at the beginning of this, not the middle or end, and we’ll see where it leads us.” For context, approximately 450,000 foreclosures have been filed in Ohio since 2005, and potentially all of them used this robo-signing process. At the outer edge of this, if every one of those foreclosure processes is seen as a single case of fraud, the fines for the entire lending industry would add up to $11.25 BILLION dollars, just in the state of Ohio, not including the extra restitution for homeowners.

(snip)

What’s more, Cordray sent letters seeking meetings with the other four top lenders in the state – Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Citi and Wells Fargo – to discuss their use of robo-signers and how they plan to remedy the practice. He certainly sounded like someone ready to include them in future lawsuits.


“It is now becoming clear that fraud, deception, and an utter disregard for accuracy are in part to blame for our national foreclosure disaster,” Cordray said in prepared remarks. “What we are seeing and hearing strikes at the very foundation of the rule of law in our court system… Clearly any fraud or deception that has contributed to this state of affairs must be stopped, and those responsible must be held accountable.”


In addition to seeking penalties from GMAC in the lawsuit for their violations of state laws and perpretration of fraud, Cordray wants a “preliminary and permanent injunction” against all foreclosures by GMAC in any pending case. If he were to file future lawsuits – and I believe he will – he would move to do the same in those cases. That would effectively end all foreclosure proceedings in Ohio, a judicial foreclosure state.

This was the most powerful part of Cordray’s statement:


“The actions by lenders that I am talking about today show gross disregard for the integrity of this legal process and for the private property rights of homeowners.

We are talking about lenders and servicers treating foreclosure not as a legal proceeding that deserves the careful attention of the property owner, the servicer of the mortgage and the courts, but rather as a production line making widgets, that accords foreclosures little deliberate accuracy that the law – or for, that matter, basic courtesy and common sense – mandates be given to such serious matters.”


(more at link)
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:50 PM
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1. Highly recommended...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:52 PM
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2. Retroactive immunity.
Edited on Wed Oct-06-10 07:54 PM by KansDem
It worked when the Bush Administration wanted illegal phone records from ATT. Congress stepped in and gave ATT retroactive immunity.

I wonder if the same can happen here. An argument for assuring the economic recovery and "looking to a prosperous future" will come up, along with "well, did the banks really conspire to commit illegal acts? Or was it just a case of good intentions gone awry?"--especially in the GOPers win next month.

on edit: whoops! already happening:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x468115
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 07:58 PM
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3. Well one might have thought so till they read this..... (new today)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x468115

Obama is about to sign a bill that we've not heard about from any of our pundits because they are too busy with fire guy and witch girl, that would make it essentially impossible to make the banks prove the note before foreclosure.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 09:02 PM
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11. holy crap -- thanks for pointing this out.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 09:10 PM
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12. You're welcome. How do we convince Obama not to sign it? Any ideas?
First we have to get the information out, but then what?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 12:58 PM
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20. Convince Obama NOT to sign this?
Oh yes.
He has a solid record of standing with the consumers/citizens against the Big Banks and Insurance Corporations.
Should be easy.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 07:35 PM
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26. Crow, it's what's for dinner.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 04:01 PM
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24. your wish is my command...
:evilgrin:

i actually can't believe this isn't going to be signed!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:09 PM
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4. Good. This kind of abuse in foreclosures must be stopped.
Sanctions must be imposed on the lenders who did this.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:30 PM
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7. Read the link in posts 2 and 3, it will quell your high hopes.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:33 PM
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9. Not only stopped, but proactively protect homeowners.
These programs need to be easier to get into than they are right now.
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:38 PM
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10. Nope, not so fast. Congress and the admin are about to cover the banks' asses again.
Please read the links in posts 2 and 3 before you get excited. Then we need to figure out how to convince the president not to sign the damn thing.
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:20 PM
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5. Will my daughter get her house back from HUD?

I doubt it.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 06:37 PM
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25. what's pissing me off (no end) is that commercial investors have been getting quiet CRAMDOWNS
while the rest of us lose our homes. fucking outrageous.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:22 PM
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6. YES!
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 08:31 PM
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8. Unless, Congress slips a bill through that favors the banks, oops already happening
See links in posts 2 and 3
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 10:48 PM
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14. We had better see a fucking veto if it gets its ugly ass through.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 11:04 PM
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15. There wasn't a PEEP about this bill as it passed the Senate.
I'm on here several hours a night as I go about doing other things around the house, and I don't recall seeing a single post on this subject prior to this.

Prediction: it gets signed, and not only without furor, but without comment.

:grr:

:banghead: :banghead:
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 09:43 PM
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27. Mr. President is going to put his pocket on it. Not to worry.
:hi:
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-06-10 09:44 PM
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13. Same pack of crooks who became a bank 12/24/08 solely to get TARP funds.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 01:56 AM
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16. And the US Taxpayers now own over 56% of Ally.

http://www.ally.com/help/investor-relations.html

"In May 2009, GM and FIM Holdings (Cerberus) each significantly reduced their ownership in GMAC (now called Ally Financial), which was required in connection with GMAC’s conversion to a bank holding company in December 2008. As of December 31, 2009, the ownership of Ally common equity was as follows: GM 6.7%; GM Independent Trust 9.9%; US Treasury 56.3%; Cerberus 14.9%; and Cerberus Co-Investors 12.2%."

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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:02 AM
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17. US taxpayers will pick up the tab for foreclosures.
Figures. Free houses for everyone. Why should anyone pay their mortgage? This country is going down in flames as our banks go belly up and the FDIC can't afford to insure all the big banks.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:05 AM
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18. wow. hardcore. sometimes you wonder, where's this all going to lead?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:10 PM
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21. i intend to write a little bit on that subject later tonight...in the meantime, i didn't get IBTL


...but i really appreciate you too. :evilgrin:


thanks for making this a less turkey-fied place.
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 05:03 AM
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19. equal protection under the law.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-10 05:04 AM by onethatcares
imagine how you would be treated if you didn't dot the "i" and cross the "t" in every dealing with a bankster organization.

They'd let you go back and correct any errors, right?:rofl: :rofl: :spray:

(editted due to typo)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 02:13 PM
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22. Watch for our AG Rich Cordray ! Nice to find a really good guy
among many who are opportunists. He is very well respected & a man of integrity!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-10 03:04 PM
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23. he's my kind of lawyer.
i grew up thinking that all lawyers were folks of integrity like that. boy was i lied to!!

:evilgrin:
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