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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 08:59 PM Original message |
i'm conflicted about the fire thing |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. What fire thing? |
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some guy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. Let go of the hypotheticals, |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
3. There is another thing. The fire didnt just happen. The man set a big fire outside |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I think you need to provide the link: I heard it was another |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
43. his brother or brother-in-law I believe. They were burning trash outside. |
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Tippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Thee were two fifty gallon drums setting there |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
28. My husband is a professional firefighter. Are you fucking serious? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. but that is not why they did not enter. That is not what happened in this instance. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 06:58 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. How do you know? If there was no danger why didn't the owner get his pets? |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. The owner set two fires in two houses. I don't think that is acceptable. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
65. The guy had two hours to get his pets out. |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Why didn't he? What is the story? If he let them die, he should be in jail. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think everyone should work for no pay. Especially if their work is dangerous. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Take that analogy to your hospital Emergency Room.... |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. I guess I forgot the "SARCASM" smilie, but I thought it was self-evident. nt |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Sarcasm doesn't come across in email, postings, or letters... |
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freebrew (478 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 12:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. Some of us aren't brain dead, |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Apparently you didn't |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
29. Really? What life threatening danger does an ER doctor face when trying to save a patient? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Ever heard of EMTs? Trauma response physician teams? |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:05 AM Response to Reply #8 |
33. They won't treat you if you can't pay. You'll just get 'stabilized' |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #33 |
60. They "put out the fire" . Recovery/rebuilding is up to you |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. Yes. My favorite response in this whole brouhaha... |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. Man didn't pay the ransom, his house caught fire, the fire department watched |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. when i pay my taxes every year and the piece goes to fire, am i paying ransom? nt |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:36 AM Response to Reply #5 |
30. The system in place was one he participated in & supported by voting |
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liberal N proud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #30 |
41. Better solution would have been... |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Shoulda coulda woulda doesn't do anything in this situation |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. The powers of the municipalities are set by the legislature in the Tennessee statutes, |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. Screw that: they let three dogs and a cat DIE.... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:26 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. how? it took a long time for fire to reach house. owner had lots of time to open door |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
64. You seem to be presenting a"new" set of facts... |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. If you'll look at the actual facts reported, there was a lapse of some |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
61. BTW, there could have been a human inside.. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's an object lesson for other things |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
10. I find your OP quite sad as well as telling and my comments are not meant... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You help them because of who you are, not because of who they are. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. +1000 |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:20 PM Response to Reply #12 |
68. EFerrari, I'm going to try to remember that every day. Thank-you. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
20. do you see any merit to the idea |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. No, I don't see the merit... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. well it would teach the guy who DIDN'T pay |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:07 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. There's a moment in the movie "Witness" |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 10:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
40. I wish the same... |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
14. Public safety means there is no conflict in what should have been done. |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. Here's a hypothetical - what if one of the firefighters was injured or killed putting out the fire? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'm speechless |
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Zanzobar (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-06-10 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
19. Don't feel bad about being conflicted |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
21. What about people who are taxed for fire services, but are delinquent on their taxes? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:16 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No, because they are still a part of the social goods contract. |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I get that, but I have to agree with the OP on being conflicted about this. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I think any caring person would be conflicted. |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:09 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. What the hell is a "social goods contract"??????? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Its like a common good but service oriented. |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:38 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. No, because the city can enforce taxes by foreclosing |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:08 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Not necessary. If they don't pay their taxes the city can put a lien |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:23 AM Response to Original message |
22. It's facially immoral. QED |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:10 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think it's a trap to make this be about sympathy for one guy |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 09:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
38. In his first interview with Olbermann he stated that he hadn't paid |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 04:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. Maybe... he doesn't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
42. I'm not conflicted at all. Firefighters are supposed to put out fires. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. It has to be one of the dumbest decisions ever made by a city manager. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm not conflicted at all. |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
52. He never should have been put in that situation, if he is right or wrong means nothing |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
53. firefighters don't judge who is worthy of their aid- they help people |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
56. This week's "worst phrase in the english language" is; fire protection fees n/t |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
62. Among other things, they got out their equipment and responded to the call |
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coti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
63. This is one of the best posts I've seen on the subject. |
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Generic Brad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
69. Fire bad |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
70. We bleeding heart liberals believe in compassion for the feeble minded. |
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sohndrsmith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-07-10 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
71. Bottom line, there is no (or shouldn't be, imv) a "sympathy" scale qualifying or |
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