Freepers ponder "Do Southerners Have the Right to be Described as "Native Americans"?"

[Fuzz]

Seriously, wtf is wrong with these people?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2603158/posts

Southerners who celebrate their cultural heritage, are among the most misunderstood people in America. Italians who celebrate Colombus Day, and Irishmen who celebrate St. Patricks Day, never have to suffer the grief that Southerners who want to celebrate Robert E. Lee's Birthday have to endure.

Southern identity is partly about celebrating the Anglo-Celtic culture, which is the core culture that existed in America at the time of the founding of America in 1776. It is the culture that gave us the King James Bible, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Mark Twain, William Faulkner, and others. Most Southerners, both white and black, are descended from people who were in America before the Civil War in 1860.

It is often said that America is a nation of immigrants. Southerners are not immigrants to America. When the first Southerners came to Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607, America did not exist as a nation. Southerners were the pioneers who built America. Southerners created colonial America in 1607, before the Mayflower folks arrived in 1620. Two sons of the South, the Virginians, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, led America to independence as a Constitutional Republic in 1776. Why shouldn't Southerners be proud of such a great heritage?

Many of the Northerners who love to mock and insult the South, are people whose ancestors came to America as immigrants, after the statue of liberty was put up in 1886. They love to mock the people who created and built the America that their ancestors immigrated to. If someone could create a time machine, and we could go back to the 1890s, we would tell our Southern ancestors to stop those European immigrants from getting off their boats at Ellis Island. It is time that the Southerners who created American culture and the American nation, are shown a little appreciation by the Ellis Island Yankees, who just got off the boat the other day. If you are a pro-Southern Yankee, this complaint does not apply to you, of course.

[joeybee12]

1. Aw, Grilled Cheesus...such stupidity! The North was always more populous...

so at the time of the Civil War the so-called native americans in the north outnumbered those in the south...these people are firghteningly stupid.

[texastoast]

2. Oh, for fuck's sake

What a bunch of complete loonies!

[NickB79]

3. "Southerners are not immigrants to America."

:rofl:

They do realize that "American" in this context refers to the continent, not the country, right? Like how Canadian Indians are Native Americans, as are Mexican Indians, despite neither living in the United States of America.

[Fuzz]

8. No, no they don't.

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[mediaman007]

5. I don't think Robert E. Lee would be please to be represented by these folks.

I think that Lee was loyal to Virginia, not to the southern cause. (Correct me if I'm off base.)

[Uncle Joe]

18. I believe you are correct, he was left with two choices.

Defend the United States or defend his family, friends and neighbors.

Lee never wanted the South to secede from the United States.

[hedgehog]

6. Gee, what about all the Anglo-Celts who started showing up in 1607?

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[myrna minx]

9. OMG

:eyes:

[SargeUNN]

10. a little known fact I found doing historical research

is that at one point in the 1800s there was money to be made in declaring Native American lineage. I found many claimed this and because the process wasn't well checked many got their claims through and later years a huge number were proven false. It was very exploited in the South and has been a nightmare for many Southerners trying to get an accurate family history.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

21. interesting.

thanks.

[arcane1]

11. And out of the 13 original colonies...

only 4 were in the south :)

[Uncle Joe]

12. America is not a nation. the United States is a nation.

America is two continents; North and South, "Native American" applies well to people living here before the Europeans arrived.

Anyone born here whether of the North or South should be able to claim them selves to be Native United Staters, unless they promote/magnify geographic/cultural division in which case they should be able to claim the label of Native Asshole.

Thanks for the thread, Fuzz.

[KharmaTrain]

13. Today's "Victimhood"

These people thrive in believing they're some kind of opressed minority. Had their "ancestors" won the civil war then we'd all be using money with Jefferson Davis picture and Strom Thurmond on the quarter. Sheesh.

Ya see...ya can't do a proper poutrage without some kind of percieved discrimination...and the wingnuts revel in that.

[Cosmocat]

24. I swear ....

If there are a 1000 things about modern day "conservatives" that make me want to pull my hair out, the victim mentality is near the top of the list ...

FOREVER victims and outraged ...

[Wilber_Stool]

14. Spain had more than

a little to do with settling the South as well.

[LynneSin]

15. Also Southerners did not build the south. The slaves they dragged over from Africa did

:grr:

[Taverner]

27. +100

[Kalyke]

28. Well, we've built it since.

Please, let's not get into a "the South sucks" rant.

Many of us don't suck - there are between 42 and 48 percent of us who vote against Republicans in every election. Our part of the country is very pretty and we've done many things that contribute to society since 1865.

[LynneSin]

40. You don't suck at all - the person who wrote that insane post at Free Republic does

To have the audacity to say "We built the South" and consider themselves "Native Americans" is total bullshit.

[TNDemo]

33. Actually the northerners dragged them over.

They owned most of the slave ships. And only 10-20% of southerners owned slaves so a lot of the south was built by the average white guy.

[ET Awful]

16. LMAO . . . you mean those Northerners like John Adams, Samuel Adams, John Hancock,

Paul Revere, and the rest from Boston and the surrounding area that were there at the beginning of the Revolutionary and bore the brunt of the burden during said Revolution, are those the Northerners he's talking about?

Notice he conveniently leaves out the fact that his beloved Southerners tried to destroy the same "Constitutional Republic" that he claims they built.

I bet he also forgot that if he's going to claim that the Southerners were here that early, he would have to admit that their ancestry is French. That ought to really throw his cognitive dissonance into overdrive.

[Demit]

17. Southerners just do not get enough credit for Shakespeare and Charles Dickens!

No wonder they're among the most misunderstood people in America. They say things that don't make sense.

[Kalyke]

29. So do you.

What you said makes no sense.

As a Southerner, I'm proud to claim Mark Twain, William Faulkner, Katherine Anne Porter, Caroline Gordon, Allen Tate, Thomas Wolfe, Robert Penn Warren, and Tennessee Williams. Hell, I'll even proudly claim H.L. Mencken.

No wonder you don't understand us - you can't seem to read past a few stupid people on an Internet page.

[Demit]

32. Oh for heaven's sake.

That's what I was responding to, the stupid freeper who wrote the post.

I like your list. You can properly claim those literary lights as Southerners. Claiming Shakespeare & Dickens is stupid.

[Kalyke]

50. Sorry - just tired of the broad brush with which the South is painted

because of a few vocal idiots.

There are several of us intelligent Southerners who would be ever bit as vocal - if not more so - than those idiots, but the news media won't pay us any attention. Kind of like moderate Muslims - there are tons of us, but you wouldn't know that by watching cable TV.

:hi:

[mitchum]

52. But those are indeed extraordinary southerners; and we all know what "extraordinary" means

I am technically a "southerner", and I also claim MLK, Richard Wright, Louis Armstrong, and many others as extraordinary southerners.

[Kalyke]

53. I'm am ordinary Southerner, though, and I'm not a stupid, backward

racist idiot.

:)

[Radical Activist]

19. After the ethnic cleansing of real Native Americans from the South they want to go by the same name?

How unbelievably fucking stupid.

[Brewman_Jax]

20. Since the writer has the nerve to include black people

in his clueless screed, he should be reminded that black people were slaves, and slaves aren't immigrants.

That's rather amusing, since most freepers don't consider black people as people, but they appear to make exceptions for those they know personally.

What a maroon! :eyes:

[Fire1]

41. LOL!!! Good one!! LOL!!

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[EC]

23. Aren't they forgetting Hudson Bay area and the Dutch

long before the first tobacco plant was even thought of?

[leveymg]

25. I'd classify them as an Invasive Species. Like Kutzu or Snakehead fish.

"If someone could create a time machine, and we could go back to the 1890s, we would tell our Southern ancestors to stop those European immigrants from getting off their boats at Ellis Island."

Geez. Who won the Civil War, anyway?

[Kalyke]

26. WTF?

That is so incorrect, it's frankly more stupid than I thought even Freepers were about Southern heritage.

The South was heavily settled by Irish, Scotch-Irish and other Europeans. Crap, a lot of the South was settled by people from, get this, LEBANON!!! http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/199406/mapping.the.middle.east.in.america-from.lebanan.new.hampshire.to.bagdad.california..htm

And, yes, many, including me, are also of Native American heritage. I'm a classic Southerner: Native American, Irish, Scotch, English, French and Dutch.

However, if any of these Freepers really think they're only of Native American descent, they've been smokin' the peace pipe too long.

[MrScorpio]

30. Too much time spent in the hot sun, for sure

Did this person even attend elementary school?

[MilesColtrane]

31. we would tell our Southern ancestors to stop those European immigrants from getting off their boats

Breaking News from CNN - Time Traveling Morons Deny Irving Berlin, Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, Nikola Tesla, Albert Einstein, and Bob Hope Entry Into the U.S.

[leveymg]

35. Harry Turtledove wrote a series of Sci Fi novels about that. Check out "Guns of the South"

in which time-traveling Afrikaaners give Gen. Lee and the Armies of the Confederacy modern AK-47s and 155mm howitzers. The South overruns Washington, DC. Everyone lives happily ever-after.

Turtledove is from Georgia, and I suspect he's a pen-name for Newt Gingrich.

[MilesColtrane]

46. Yikes!

[leveymg]

48. It's a pretty good read, if you can get past the neo-Confederate message.

He's written a bunch of these types of books. In his World War series, alien lizards invade the earth during World War Two, nuke Moscow, Detroit and Miami. Turtledove doesn't seem to like the people in those places, for some odd reason. He does love the University of Chicago, and spares that hallowed citadel. In another alternative history series, the Confederate States of America use B-17s to level NY and use the atom bomb to triumph over Germany - truly, has there ever been a clash of more similar civilizations?

[sinkingfeeling]

49. I have that book. My son read it and gave it to me, but I've never gotten around to it. I'm not a

fan of fiction.

[Ganja Ninja]

34. No matter how hard they ponder all they come up with is shit.

It's isn't worth the time it would take to pick this one apart since it's pretty much a total fail from start to finish.

[fishwax]

36. wow, that's quite an idiotic rant

:rofl:

[sinkingfeeling]

37. Hey, it's a graduate of Glenn Beck University and a history major as well!

[leveymg]

38. Newt Gingrich is the head of the Western Civilization and History Departments there.

Is there another kind?

[Marr]

39. Just more of that divisive, hateful, "I'm a real American and you're not" garbage.

I'm sick of these people getting a pass for this kind of nonsense. Pundits suggest the right and left are mirrors of one another, but I don't see it. I don't see the left insisting that their political adversaries are somehow less "American". It's idiotic.

[JCMach1]

42. Some my ancestors were original Mormons 2

, but I don't run a pair of holy underwear up the flagpole on the Prophet's birthday!

One my ancestors landed Jamestown... Many fought for the South in the Civil War... Some fought for the North...



And f$%k yeah that makes me special... it makes me American (but no more than anyone else). The only appreciation I need is my country, thank you very much.

[Zorra]

43. It's a free country, of course they have the "Right". But..

like all freeper "logic", it would make absolutely no sense.

[old mark]

44. Well, as a Yankee who loves to mock and insult the South, that puts me in my place,

for sure. My mom's family came here - Yankee Pennsylvania - in the 1630's, and my dad came here at age 5 in 1920, so I guess I'm all immigrant yankee except for a tad of Osage Indian, who came here thousands of years ago, but still from elsewhere.

I had relatives on both sides of the civil war (and WWI, too) and have relatives in Alabama and Texas today, including my 93 year old dad, living near Galviston.

I wonder why Southern people feel this way - that people are mocking or insulting them...My BIL in Texas is always talking about "goddam Yankees", and every time I have lived in the South I experienced bias and anger from some of those Yankee haters. But I don't ever see goddam Yankees making fun of or mocking Southerners, I really don't, even though some of my Alabama relatives are dumber than dogshit.

mark

[WilliamPitt]

45. (F - a - a - a - a - a - a - a - a - cepalm)

[Blue_Tires]

47. This southerner apologizes for the general fuckwittery on display at FR

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

51. They should be allowed to celebrate

So we can call them what they were.......traitors.