Do fire personnel rescue animals?

[nadinbrzezinski]

you be the judge













Yes it does happen.

And there are far more photos on the web on all kinds of rescues, not just fires.

[cynatnite]

1. Fire fighters are supposed to be heroes. The ones in these pictures are. n/t

[kjackson227]

5. Nice firemen came out to retrieve our 19 year old...

cat from the sewer because she was too old to get out. Unfortunately, she died the next day. But, yes, MOST are heroes.

[JuniperLea]

2. Yep! K&R!

We see these heroic deeds all the time.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. But apparently we are not supposed to

[JuniperLea]

16. It's sad to see that sentiment...

Especially among "liberals and progressives and Democrats"... please note the irony quotes.

Compassion for life and all living creatures is mandatory for a profession like that. I can't imagine it being "just a paycheck" to anyone, and I've never personally known a firefighter who was not extremely good hearted, kind, and compassionate.

[hedgehog]

4. This story makes less and less sense as time goes on.

1. It took 2 hours between the time there was an explosion (:wtf: ) in the (illegal?) burn barrels and the time the house caught fire.

2. The story is the dogs got scared and ran into the burning garage.

3. The family couldn't/wouldn't enter the burning house to retrieve anything because they had shot gun shells in the house.

[nadinbrzezinski]

It is not whether it makes sense or not

the FD is liable, and you can bet on it. UNLESS the Insurance Company finds an accelerant in the house, for example.

And yes, the Insurance CO will send a fire investigator, it is like standard and shit.

As to shells in house... that would not surprise me.

[Fumesucker]

14. The FD is liable for what, exactly?

I'm talking about this particular situation in TN, not generically.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. Standing by

the insurance company COULD sue them for the loss.

Add the very possible cert review...

[Fumesucker]

19. Anyone can sue anyone for anything..

Hell, I've been sued a couple of times for utterly ridiculous crap, thrown out of court both times.

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. point is they could be liable

and insurance companies are known to do that.

[sabrina 1]

47. I don't know if the 'good Samaritan' law applies to

every state, but at the very least they should have tried to help the animals. The Insurance Co. will now be liable for far more money as a result of them not helping to extinguish the fire. I'm sure they will be looking at how to retrieve that money. If they don't sue the Dept. they will simply raise everyone else's premiums.

Firefighters come out all the time to rescue animals. Just do a quick google search and you'll see. This Dept. violated every code of ethics that Firefighters are so proud of, and generally live by, whether they are volunteer or not.

[Hannah Bell]

26. no, they're not, nadin. the city fire dept is not obligated to put out the county's fires.

the legal particulars have been posted. i believe in response to your previous assertions of same.

all the pictures of puppies and kitties are in service of making an emotional appeal that obscures the root cause: the libertarian county's repeated refusal to fund fire service for its residents.

why is it you want to obscure this point, i ask?

[Pithlet]

11. Yep. And I'd still like to know how likely it is

that this is a fire company of exceptional assholes. How likely is it that this city just happened to have cruel, heartless firefighters? All other firefighters are heroes, but these firefighters are villains. Really? Is that likely? Is no one really thinking this through? How could that happen?

Could it be that these firefighters are human beings and are just like other firefighters and there really is more to this story? That many on DU have bought a spin? Maybe everyone condemning the firefighters should think about it more. I wish they would because I'm really getting tired of seeing them slammed here.

[cynatnite]

15. To stand by and do nothing while a family loses everything? Yeah, I slam them...

I will keep slamming them. They should be trashed and slammed at every chance.

They are just as guilty as is the repukes who implemented this mafia protection racket of theirs.

[Pithlet]

18. It makes no sense

What are the odds that this one city happened to find all these men who would do such a thing. How do you think that happened? Do you have an explanation?

[cynatnite]

20. Umm...they're tea partiers...

I live in TN and this state is replete with repuke tea party types. The odds are slim, I imagine, but the proof is in the fact that the house is no more.

[Pithlet]

22. Edit never mind

You know what? I guess they're just supposed to work for free and go bankrupt and everyone die. Screw it.

[cynatnite]

25. Work for free? They're supposed to be paid with taxpayer money...

That's how the rest of the normal country does it.

I'm not sure you and so many others stand with Glenn Beck and want a mafia protection plan government.

They let the fucking house burn down. Normal people don't do that.

Stop defending this atrocity.

[Hannah Bell]

29. no, the county doesn't fund fire services AT ALL. only the cities fund it. and the unincorporated

county is bigger, & wealthier, than the cities.

but 75% of fire calls come from the unincorporated county.

who have repeatedly refused to pay.

again, your post is a 180 distortion of the facts.

[Pithlet]

31. Yes. They're supposed to be. But they weren't.

Because the county kept voting not to. So why is this city supposed to keep sending their fire department and putting out their fires for them anyway at their peril? They did, you know. This wasn't a first resort. They were sending them even though some residents (50% of them, in fact) weren't paying, with promises they'd pay after the fact. But they wouldn't. The city, which is smaller and poorer han the county simply couldn't keep it up. They were bleeding money. So they said enough. They had no choice. That is why I refuse to put the blame on them. I'm putting it where it belongs. With the county. Why that makes me a jerk, I'll never know.

[Pithlet]

32. And I'll add that I do feel bad for the homeowner. I feel bad for anyone

who loses a home. I'm not cold or heartless. I just refuse to put the blame where it does't belong. That's all. The city has an obligation to look after its citizens. Its citizens who do pay their taxes. And its citizens deserve the fire department they are paying for. They don't desrve a bankrupted, spread thin fire department, do they? With the dangers that come wihh that? Longer wait times, etc. Just because the jerks in the next county over cant' get their act together?

It could very well be that's what the firefighters were thinking as well. That's what they were thinking as they had shown up two hours later. When it was already too late anyway. Yeah, they didn't go there just to watch it burn, twirling their evil mustaches. I don't think they're the evil monsters everyone's making them out to be. I actually think they are trying their best in a very bad situation the county is creating.

[hayu_lol]

33. cynatnite, The mob? Surely you jest.

Obviously you have been listening to Beck and Limbo for too many years.

The city of South Fulton TN voted to tax themselves in order to have a city fire department. This fire department has for years, voluntarily taken care of the Obion County rural area without charge.

Obion County has no tax base for firefighting, no FD, has no means to help their residents. They(county commissioners)decided after wrangling for two years, between a new fee on light bills or to go to a subscriber for service arrangement. Those in the rural area can subscribe--or not--to the service offered by the S Fulton VFD. If they subscribe, they get fire service. If they don't want to, they don't get service. They pay NO tax for fire service in Obion County. The people of the little town of S Fulton voted to tax themselves to protect themselves.

You have the matter entirely backwards.

**further note: have noticed on several posts that one of the reasons why the property owner would not go into his trailer to rescue his pets was that in the trailer were guns and ammo that might and did go off. Fire department was there to protect one of their subscribers, a neighbor of the guy who started the fire. When the fire crossed the property line, the fire department put out the fire--for their subscriber.

Cynatnite: I bet you never read any of the links provided elsewhere did you?

[Pithlet]

41. I don't think cynatnite is even reading posts in response.

I've been accused of being like Glen Beck, when I've repeatedly stated that I'm on the city's side in large part because THEY are the tax payers... :silly:

[bvar22]

40. We render Humanitarian Assistance whenever possible:

That includes the rescue of pets/stock,
and putting out fires whether someone has paid their dues/fees or not.
That isn't even a part of the discussion.


I was surprised that so many on DU feel differently.
I'm glad I don't live in that world.

[LaurenG]

42. Yay! (again) for you and having your heart in the right place!

Thank you! (again):bounce:

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. Problem is we do live in that world

even if it has not touched us.

Thanks for your service, from a former EMT-P, who gets a strange longing when she hears a siren, and a fire truck or an ambulance goes by.

[Hannah Bell]

27. the tea partiers live in the county that's repeatedly refused to fund fire service for its

residents & opted to let them contract individually with the city because it wouldn't be right to "force" anyone to pay for fire service.

the city has no obligation to fight the county's fires.

your post is a 180 distortion.

[bvar22]

48. The city may have no obligation...

but Human Beings do.
My wife & I put out fires and rescue animals FOR FREE... (gasp!)
because it is the right thing to do.

(get your smelling salts)
It actually costs us and every other FireFighter in our dept a little money & a lot time to provide this service.
That is the World we choose to live in.
You are welcome to yours.




"If we don't fight hard enough for the things we stand for,
at some point we have to recognize that we don't really stand for them."
--- Paul Wellstone

[seabeyond]

28. even knowing the owner had all the time to pull out the animals, this constant blaming FD for killin

the dogs is truly beyond amazing

[Pithlet]

43. I almost expect to log on tomorrow

and see posts accusing the FD of showing up with flamethrowers. And roasting the pets on spits over open flame. I'm only half kidding.

[seabeyond]

45. talking about owner being responsible for dogs death, poster said... i dont side with FD no matter

what.

so basically saying... flat out.... in your face.... truth, facts dont matter. gonna diss and blame FD regardless if it is honest.

really. that one is a new one for du

repugs, sure. fox news watcher, a given. but a duer?

and proudly shout it out

gonna ignore facts so i can have a fabricated story to hold onto and blame FD

[leveymg]

6. They even have toy poodle-size respirator masks.

But, how did that camel dig its way through the earth all the way from Arabia? Does it have a legal visa? Call DHS. . . if it hasn't been privatized into a pay for service operation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. RLOL

should have posted the elephant photo too.

[leveymg]

12. ;-)

[Little Star]

7. I think Firefighters are true heroes. Great pictures.

[GoCubsGo]

8. Yes, they even rescue cats from trees.

I used to live in a town that has a volunteer force. I had an outdoor kitty who was chased up a tree by the local dog pack. He had issues with coming back down, and in other such instances, I was able to get him down on my own. One time, he was run up a neighbor's tree. She decided to call a relative who was in the department. They came with the hook and ladder truck, and happily got the cat down from the tree. They thought the whole thing was a hoot. And, I happily gave to their next fundraiser.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. And in that case it was a training evolution too

[Pathwalker]

9. Yes. They even have special masks just for pets.

I love that. When my house caught fire, I sent the kids next door with the pets, and an order to call 911. I put out the fire, then the cops showed up, then the ambulance, and finally the fire dept. I can honestly say that thought played no part in my response, I simply reacted.

[femmedem]

21. They saved my childhood cat when I was five.

He was hiding under the covers, but somehow they found him.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. When volunteering as an EMT-P south of the border

we went to a nasty house fire.

The FD brought out a kittie. It was limp. I got a kid tugging at my sleeve "Hagan algo!" Do Something.

So I took out my O2 gear, and gave the kittie oxygen hoping it would work. He still had a pulse.

Lo and behold the kittie started mewing and you will identify with the tears of joy from that ten year old. She and her family lost quite a bit. But kittie was all the comfort to her in the world.

I will never forget that!

And for the record I am allergic to cats. I got to sneeze for the rest of the shift!

:-)

Taking cat dander OFF turn out gear ain't easy.

[HuckleB]

23. 78...

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. What's the count so far?

I am just curious.

[seabeyond]

24. do owners sit back for two hours adn wait for a burning house for fire to rescue animals? nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

30. I know a fire fighter who helped carry an aquarium out of a building house

some people are just decent,

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The strangest of all rescues

was taking out two Torah Books from a synagogue. I got to do that...

As a Jew I knew how much that meant to the congregation, but that is not the reason I did that. It was the descent thing to do.

And one of those books came from Eastern Europe, and was rescued from the Nazis... no I did not know that when we went in there to yes... rescue two holy books... the place wasn't fully involved and it was more or less safe... or as safe as going into a fire ever is.

[elehhhhna]

38. ours do. and the emt's gave the neighbors cats oxygen.

they only do it if it's safe to enter the building. they're more flexible about rescuing peole.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. That is usually the rule

if it is fully involved... oh well...

You go in only if there is hope for rescue... you go in taking more risks if it is a human being.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. Some rescue 'personnel' are animals. Dogs are vital in search

and rescue. Animals are partners to rescue personnel. So of course they rescue them as well. Sweet pics NB.