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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:09 AM
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Wal-Mart Now Selling Anti-Gay Children’s Books
Great, now they’re marketing hate speech at the Wal-Mart. I understand that Wal-Mart caters to a certain, um, clientele, much of the time, but is this really necessary?

A children’s book written by the wife of anti-gay Standard of Liberty president Stephen Graham is being carried by over 100 Walmart stores. Chased by an Elephant, the Gospel Truth about Today’s Stampeding Sexuality by Janice Barrett Graham was written to “help shed the clear light of truth on today’s dark and tangled ideas about male and female, proper gender roles, the law of chastity, and the God-given sexual appetite,” according to Janice Graham in the book’s introduction.

“The number of our young people involved in sexual sins has greatly increased in recent years. Some of the most stalwart-seeming youth find themselves involved in pornography, fornication, promiscuity, homosexuality, and the like,” Janice continued.

The Grahams claim that their son, Andrew, successfully changed his sexual orientation and is now a happily married man.

More:
http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/10/11874/
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:16 AM
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1. What is the "...certain, um, clientele..."? Some people go there because
of their finances. Others because it is the only place available in the area that has whatever it is they need - in my town for instance, WM is the only place that sell baby clothes/car seats/etc.

Is that the "...certain, um, clientele...?
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:29 AM
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3. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.
OR, alternately, you could uselessly derail a thread into the internet's one billionth Wal Mart flamewar before the actual topic of the book the O.P,'s about even gets discussed. Your call.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:41 PM
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20. +1
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Just One Woman Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:46 AM
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5. yes and no
I detest the fact that the only place you have to go is wm. But that is exactly what wm did, made it the only place to go. So, now you have no choice but to buy foreign made goods that support foreign communists countries. Like it or not, in most places, wm is known for supporting communism. They will not support a labor union in the US, but will pour money into the communist union/regime in China. Wm is the closest store to me and I try like hell to not go there. Maybe you could buy those products online from American companies that support American ideas? If that is not possible, then start asking your wm to give you American choices. If more people understood what they are supporting, they would insist on changing where their products come from. I know how hard it is to find products not made in China, but the only real powers we have as Americans is with our purchase power and our vote. Wm has proven time and again, since Sam's death, that they don't really care about Americans. They worship the almighty $.
So it can be said that the people still shopping at wm are either ignorant of what they are supporting or they don't care. It is a simplistic statement. One I am sure that will make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck. But think about it. If China wanted to dominate American life, all they have to do is cut off the supply chain and we are all screwed. We have to demand that we support American products. And we wonder why we have no jobs.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:19 PM
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11. the certain clientele is idiots. does that answer your question?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:37 PM
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15. Considering how many DUers tell us they have no choice but to shop
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 02:43 PM by Obamanaut
at WM, what does that say about the people who demean those 'certain clientelle' because of their transportation issues, finances, etc?

Are those DUers, some of whom may even be liberal thinking progressives, 'certain, um, clientelle'?
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:43 PM
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16. what does "some people's" invariable defense of walmart (slave labor for the world) say about
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 02:44 PM by Hannah Bell
its defenders?

walmart = bigger than all of its "competitors" combined, & then some

walmart = funder of right-wing initiatives everywhere

walmart = fundies & supporter of fundies, as in the case under discussion

walmart = union-buster

walmart = tax evader
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:45 PM
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17. some people=walmart shoppers through necessity.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:48 PM
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18. oooh, the poor people! like that's the reason the walmart defenders defend that slave-labor camp.
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 02:51 PM by Hannah Bell
fundie-funding, union-busting hellhole.

walmart = a prime cause of our present situation.

and it's no accident.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:51 PM
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23. Here's a post from a long time DUer with over 13,000 posts, appearing
in an earlier thread from awhile back.

"It's easy to demand that others have the courage of our convictions when they have to pay the price and our convictions really do not require any courage from us, but a lot of self-righteous and sanctimonious posturing."

You are right "oooh, the poor people." Yes, some are poor, but that doesn't seem to matter to some of the supercilious twits who will denigrate them. "Don't eat unhealthy fast food" they are told, "but also don't buy vegetables from WM even if it's close and affordable. Instead, look at meeeee!"

There are people living in their cars, some of them members of DU, who regularly post here. "But look at MEEEEEE! I don't go in WM, so neither should you."

Some would have no medications if it were not for the $4 prices on many of the items in their formulary, but "Look at MEEEEE! I have insurance so I don't go to WM for anything."

Talk about zero tolerance.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:37 PM
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25. +1. n/t.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:52 PM
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26. $4 prescriptions = loss leader for slave labor camps.
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 04:55 PM by Hannah Bell
and supporting the poor isn't motivating the walmart apologists.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:58 PM
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27. You're right of course. Rather than a $4 Rx that may keep them alive,
they should hop onto a nearby ice floe.

But that's good, if the poor go away, the sanctimonious, supercilious twits can say "Oooh, we got more people to stay out of WM." And won't you be proud.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:09 PM
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31. walmart talking points pretend they help the poor too. it's complete bullshit.
walmart jacked my town for property taxes, provided shit jobs, & destroyed businesses.

its "philanthropy" is a fascist joke.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:02 PM
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29. lower income folk would have a lower SOL if it weren't for WM. nt
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:07 PM
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30. no, they'd have a higher sol. walmart = biggest private employer in us, & all those jobs + more =
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 05:07 PM by Hannah Bell
jobs taken from employers who use to pay more: in the selling, distribution, & production of goods.

walmart has been one of the biggest market forces in outsourcing & racheting down wages & benefits.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:23 PM
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33. I understand the effect of what WM DOES in a community...
but in reality... it saves normal people a lot of money.

For example... if I buy shampoo at the grocery store it's like $7.99 and at Wm it's $4.99. I always buy TIDE at WM, it's consistently 40% cheaper than the grocery store.

Now having said that... they just built a "Super Target" near me and I'm anxious to go check it out.

Remember... if you can save 25% on your expenditures, it's like making 25% MORE income.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:55 PM
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37. "normal people" aren't part of the "community" you speak of?
"saving" 25% on your purchases isn't equivalent to making 25% more income. think about it.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:08 AM
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45. Saving 25% off my grocery bill means
that we can pay to get our kids' cavities filled at the dentist.

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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:19 PM
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32. WM is good for some people. I'm on your side. However, the hard-core
WM haters will never agree that some folks can benefit from WM. Relatively inexpensive vegetables/fruits, etc., $4 Rx, and so on. In my area, it is the only store where one can buy certain baby goods - car seats, carriers, etc. Next closest store is in the neighboring town - 26 miles away - and we have no public transportation.

There are two other stores for groceries, and we shop one of them because they have a lot of 2 for 1 sales on a regular basis.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:56 PM
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38. i can make the same argument for concentration camp guards & the mafia.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:26 AM
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2. Should they ban books?
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 07:30 AM
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4. They already do. CDs, too. nt
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:12 PM
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10. That's no problem. If one wants to buy them, get them on line. I know
that's the answer - I just read it in post 5.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:35 PM
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14. They should be thoughtful about what kind of books
Edited on Sat Oct-09-10 02:35 PM by mzmolly
they carry.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 04:33 PM
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24. They already do! Duh!
Fortunately they still sell Harry Potter, despite protests from fundamental christians who claim the series is satanic.
Try finding any Marquis De Sade novels in WalMart, as an extreme example.
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WVRICK13 Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 08:36 AM
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6. Just What A Gay Child Needs To Read
They are trying to get rid of gay people by making them all commit suicide. The Grahams son may be happily married in public but who is he meeting in private? I know many "happily married supposedly changed gay people" who have come on to me over the years. When I turn them down they start talking bad about me and making anti-gay statements. I am fine with me but I can't imagine the hell these poor souls live in.
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WestSeattle2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:27 PM
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12. Exactly. Human sexuality is just that - human sexuality. Gay
folks can no more change their orientation than straight folks can change their's. Sexuality is what it is. The Graham's son did not change his orientation; he's simply trying to suppress his sexual desires. There is a huge difference; and an extremely unhealthy one. The rampant ignorance surrounding human sexuality never ceases to amaze me. The fact that it is such an issue with some people never ceases to amaze either. It's only sex for crying out loud!

If we were somehow able to defeat human biology and nature's intent by eliminating homosexuality, would it solve world hunger? End unemployment? Eliminate wars? Stop racism, sexism, and all the other "isms"? If not, why are so many individuals so devoted to this one issue, when so many other more pressing problems exist? Wouldn't they, and the world, be much better off if their energies were invested in solving real problems instead of manufactured ones?

We live in a crazy world.
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gvstn Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:27 PM
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34. Great post!
If we were somehow able to defeat human biology and nature's intent by eliminating homosexuality, would it solve world hunger? End unemployment? Eliminate wars? Stop racism, sexism, and all the other "isms"? If not, why are so many individuals so devoted to this one issue, when so many other more pressing problems exist? Wouldn't they, and the world, be much better off if their energies were invested in solving real problems instead of manufactured ones?
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:00 AM
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7. Made in China, it is safe to assume.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 09:12 AM
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8. Does anyone want to leave copies of "Daddy's Roommate" and "Heather has Two Mommies" in the store?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:39 PM
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36. That is an excellent idea! Start leaving copies of those books on the shelf.
Put it right by the Mormon propaganda.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 11:26 AM
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9. recommend
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:32 PM
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13. The Mormon church again
But how appropriate (and frickin' creepy) that the title and cover art seem to refer to the GOP mascot chasing half naked children.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:31 PM
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19. Why are they pushing their sexuality on other people???!!!!!
How come they can get away with promoting the "heterosexual agenda" like that???!!

:wtf:

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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:48 PM
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21. Religion seems do to more harm than good. nt
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:50 PM
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22. Dunno what the returns policy is...
at Mall-Wart, but how about buying up a bunch of copies, then holding them for the maximum time, then taking them back? Over and over again.
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:36 PM
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35. Yeah, or just
burning them in a big bonfire. :sarcasm:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 06:05 PM
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39. Interesting, Barnes and Noble and Amazon carry this book as well
For what it's worth.

Retailers of all stripes are going to carry things we don't agree with. What are you going to do, ban them?
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 06:09 PM
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40. Just like with drugs: tackle the demand, not the supply.

If people want to read this sort of book, demanding that Wal-mart not stock them is not a sensible response. Book-banning - or even book-not-technically-banning-but-moving-in-that-direction - is a very dangerous route to go down.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:02 PM
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41. yeah, tackling the demand has worked well for drugs, hasn't it?
"just say no" to fascism & dominionism.

don't bother exposing the pushers.
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:50 AM
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43. It's never really been tried: the drug war has always focussed on stopping the supply.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:52 AM
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44. Another far right, Libertarian solution from a "Democrat"
quote unquote
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:19 AM
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47. What, not banning books is undemocratic? N.T.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 10:06 PM
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42. Bigotry at Sprawl-Mart??!!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :sarcasm:

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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 06:13 AM
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46. The Graham's don't know how the penis works, obviously

ask Larry Craig how that works - he'll tell you

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