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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 02:38 PM
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Foreclosure Fraud Destroys Claim of TARP Success - FDL
Foreclosure Fraud Destroys Claim of TARP Success
By: David Dayen
Friday October 8, 2010 11:46 am

<snip>

Felix Salmon foresees a total moratorium on foreclosures while the next steps of this unfolding crisis get worked out, and I agree. I’d expect one in place in time for the Senate Banking Committee hearing on November 16 which was just scheduled today.

Mike Konczal has put together a primer on foreclosure fraud and what it means: http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/foreclosure-fraud-for-dummies-1-the-chains-and-the-stakes/ But if you want the nickel summary, read this interview between Ezra Klein and Janet Takavoli:

Ezra Klein: What’s happening here? Why are we suddenly faced with a crisis that wasn’t apparent two weeks ago?

Janet Tavakoli: This is the biggest fraud in the history of the capital markets. And it’s not something that happened last week. It happened when these loans were originated, in some cases years ago. Loans have representations and warranties that have to be met. In the past, you had a certain period of time, 60 to 90 days, where you sort through these loans and, if they’re bad, you kick them back. If the documentation wasn’t correct, you’d kick it back. If you found the incomes of the buyers had been overstated, or the houses had been appraised at twice their worth, you’d kick it back. But that didn’t happen here. And it turned out there were loan files that were missing required documentation. Part of putting the deal together is that the securitization professional, and in this case that’s banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan, has to watch for this stuff. It’s called perfecting the security, and it’s not optional.


If you want to boil it down to its essence, that’s what we’re dealing with. The foreclosure fraud right now is covering up the fraud at the point of origination which Takavoli explains here. And contra Klein, this is something that the economy had to deal with at one point or another, since there’s so much money tied up in this:

EK: Given that our financial system is still fragile, isn’t that a disaster for the economy? Will credit freeze again?

JT: I disagree. In order to make the financial system healthy, we need to recognize the extent of our losses and begin facing the fraud. Then the market will be trustworthy again and people will start to participate.

EK: It sounds almost like you’re saying we still need to go through the end of our financial crisis.

JT: Yes, but I wouldn’t say crisis. This can be done with a resolution trust corporation, the way we cleaned up the S&Ls. The system got back on its feet faster because we grappled with the problems. The shareholders would be wiped out and the debt holders would have to take a discount on their debt and they’d get a debt-for-equity swap. Instead we poured TARP money into a pit and meanwhile the banks are paying huge bonuses to some people who should be made accountable for fraud. The financial crisis was a product of our irrational reaction, which protected crony capitalism rather than capitalism. In capitalism, the shareholders who took the risk would be wiped out and the debt holders would take a discount but banking would go on.


Maybe that will clear up things for those who want to cheerlead for TARP based on some arbitrary numbers about total costs. In fact, TARP needs to be judged on a much broader level. And when you do, you find that it only delayed, or even prolonged, disaster. The same banks that crashed the economy were nursed back to health rapidly, and they kept doing exactly what they do – collecting insane bonuses and maximizing profits while papering over fraud. Nobody has been prosecuted for this fraud, and in fact they’re all still in charge. This breakdown of accountability leads to a breakdown of trust. And in addition, those bankers who got rich the past few years didn’t pay attention to small business lending or keeping people in their homes or creating jobs or any of the elements of a normally functioning economy. What’s more, the crap assets, at the heart of the original crisis and this current crisis, remain basically in place.

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More: http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/10/08/foreclosure-fraud-destroys-claim-of-tarp-success/

Check out that primer: http://rortybomb.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/foreclosure-fraud-for-dummies-1-the-chains-and-the-stakes/

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:11 PM
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1. Wow... The UnReccing Crew Is Working Overtime On A Saturday
You guys should put on a nice college football game... and relax.

:evilgrin:

:hi:

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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:35 PM
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3. FDL Willy
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:52 PM
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4. Oh I Know...
That's why I put FDL in the subject line... so those easily annoyed can just ignore the OP.

Alas... some here have no self-control.

:evilgrin:

:hi:
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:29 AM
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7. Rec'd
Thanks for this WillyT. This has been waiting to blow up for over a year now. I'm surprised it's taken so long.

One of my friend's lost her house to foreclosure in Jan. We tried to get Wells Fargo to present the documentation showing they legally held the mortgage. Their tactic is to never talk to the homeowner. They would not even talk to her lawyer. We discoverd that her mortgage had been changed from bank to bank 4 times over the past nine years. Two of those banks are on the MERs list.

This is great to read. I will pass it on to her as she and so many others have just been waiting for this 'shoe to drop'. She wanted to adjust her mortgage. Wells Fargo got two bailouts. They were supposed to help homeowners stay in their homes. They are running a scam, pushing people out of their homes without talking to anyone, they have 'lawyer mills' working for them.

Now she's glad she didn't get a mortgage adjustment. If Wells Fargo is not the legitimate holder of her mortgage, they could not adjust it. But neither could they foreclose on it.

There are going to be thousands, tens of thousands of lawsuits over this. They probably didn't want to adjust mortgages and create more of a trail of corruption. This almost explains it now.

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 10:35 AM
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15. Anytime Sabrina... Be Sure To Check This Out !!!
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:17 PM
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24. Thanks, I will do that.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:12 PM
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2. Heck.... it is written down so it must be true!
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 03:54 PM
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5. The breakup into viable units of the "too big to fail"
and a Resolution Trust - type temporary agency to handle bad assets is obvious good policy because it worked regardless that the initiation was fraud by insiders. The S & L Crisis was a crime under-addressed because of politics, families, and corporate revolving circle. RTC did "fix" the situation in that the Feds better than broke even and few of the perps paid a price and most wealthy accomplices benefited financially without penalty

Insiders are kicking the can down the road and bleeding liquidity and value from hard assets in "real" people's lives locally.

The situations become ever more sudden and unreal.

Look at the history of 3808. Congress in both houses looks at best incompetent especially regarding timing. The issue is still confusing to me after WH statements.

What a mess.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-10 05:16 PM
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6. Kick !!!
Damn... been on the Greatest Page 4 different times today.

:rofl:

:evilgrin:

:hi:

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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:36 AM
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8. TARP was successful simply because it prevented the next Great Depression.
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 03:38 AM by BzaDem
The OP is correct that people shouldn't call TARP successful simply because the banks paid back the money. That is the wrong metric to look at (as the OP says).

But the OP is wrong that TARP wasn't successful. Everyone who knew anything about economics knew in 2008 that we were facing another great depression if we didn't bail out the banks immediately.

"And in addition, those bankers who got rich the past few years didn’t pay attention to small business lending or keeping people in their homes or creating jobs or any of the elements of a normally functioning economy."

Yes, that's true. They didn't expand lending much or create many jobs. But you want to know what they did do? They survived, which meant we didn't go to 25-30% unemployment within a year as business after business collapsed all over the economy. We didn't get millions of layoffs within weeks, as would have happened had the banks collapsed and otherwise completely solvent businesses had been unable to use short term loans to meet payroll.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 12:15 PM
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19. Yeah, But The Question Is... Did It Prevent, Or Delay, The Next Great Depression ???
So there’s a war going on right now between risky and safe investors, many of which have different risk positions in different securities.

But servicers don’t have the necessary documents, and they can’t get them. The Florida bank lobby says that destroying mortgage documents was standard operating procedure during the bubble years. If you can’t provide the documents, then in many cases, you simply do not have the right to foreclose at all. That means catastrophic losses for both safe investors and servicers, since they never get to recoup any losses.

So no matter what happens, the most obvious, immediate losses and the most serious long-term legal liability are at the big mortgage servicers. These are all megabanks. And investors of all stripes are going to do everything in their power to stick the investment banks who created these securities with the bill. These are also megabanks.

As Mike emphasizes, there are $2.6 trillion worth of mortgage-backed securities out there. That’s more than enough in potential losses to sink every major bank and hedge fund in the United States.


From: http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy/2010/10/08/too-big-for-paperwork-fixing-wall-streets-foreclosure-fraud-mess/

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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:44 PM
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21. There are really two different problems here.
One is the problem that the real estate market collapsed, leaving the banking system (which collectively made a large bet on housing) vulnerable to collapse. This was because many mortgages would default, EVEN IF they all had perfect paperwork.

The other is that they don't have perfect paperwork (or in many cases any paperwork) due to shortcuts they took when these mortgages were created.

The first problem could have happened with or without the second problem, and the second problem could have happened with or without the first problem. TARP was meant to deal with the first problem.

So I do believe TARP was successful in staving off a Great Depression caused by the banks collapsing due to the first problem. As for the second problem, it could have major effects, but they probably won't be as wide as 2.6 trillion. That is the total size of the RMBS market -- there are going to be plenty of mortgages with good paperwork in that market (even if there are also many with bad paperwork).
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:24 AM
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9. What does FDL mean?

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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 04:33 AM
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10. It means someone wrote something nasty about Democrats. n/t
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:06 AM
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11. Firedoglake. It's a blog. And some people here
not many, but a few, are angry at the blog because during the Health Care debate they fought hard to get Democrats to vote for a PO.

It's a strange reason for Democrats to be angry, but it takes all kinds I guess. They have some excellent writers and were completely right about the Health Care in the end. We were sold out.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:14 AM
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12. thank you.

Some of the posts up thread made me think it was code for something else, but I get it now.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 05:44 AM
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13. No one is angry that they fought for a PO. Here is an example of their blog.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 11:13 AM
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16. Thank you for posting that righteous rant. I missed it the 1st time around.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:46 PM
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22. The fact that you or anyone else would call that rant "righteous" tells me all I need to know. n/t
Edited on Sun Oct-10-10 01:47 PM by BzaDem
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 08:46 AM
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14. Unrec for posting from anti-Dem/Pro-GOP FDL website
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 03:16 PM
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23. FDL is a Democratic blog.
If it is pro-GOP because on one occasion Hamsher signed a petition also signed by Grover Norquist, then what do you call the President's Deficit Commission? Grover Norquist was invited to give his advice on what to do about the Government's debt to that Commission? Is the President's Commission a GOP Commission?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 09:42 PM
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25. It's different when Obama does it
:sarcasm:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 12:01 PM
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17. K & R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 12:15 PM
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18. K&R
Paulson with Co-Conspirators


Now THIS is “Bi-Partisanship” !
Better get used to it!!
Hahahahahahahahaha!


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-10 01:03 PM
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20. +
You just know how much reality irritates them, you just posted it to laugh at "the faithful".

You're Darksided!.:evilgrin:
:thumbsup::rofl:

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