Let's talk about Cannabis

[Taverner]

Cannabis (Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica for the specific) is a plant. It grows wild in some places (often the third, and wild variety, Cannabis Ruderalis) and in many others, under strict hydroponic conditions. It can grow outdoors as well.

Now - this plant is illegal, and only so because of propaganda. The original reason Marijuana was outlawed in the US (and shortly thereafter, everywhere else) is because of racism and pressure from the cotton industry (hemp was a major competitor.) The fear-baiters of yesteryear (about 1906 or so) warned congress of it promoting "jazz" and "wild-eyed negro-ism." Like I said, racist reasons.

The funny thing is that it in itself is not illegal, and fully legal if you have a 'Marijuana Tax Stamp.' Of course, you can't get one.

It's time to reverse this crappy law. Cannabis does not cause brain damage, wild-eyeness, or any other contrived symptom. Smoked, it does hurt your lungs. So do smog, cigarettes and ragweed (at least for some of us.) There are alternatives: eat in a brownie or vaporize. Other than that, it generally makes some people mellow, and some people paranoid. If it makes you the latter DON'T DO IT. Similar to shellfish for those allergic.

It has been known to reduce pain for those with constant pain, treat symptoms of thousands of diseases (MS for example, cancer for another and glaucoma for yet another.)

Proposition 19 will change this stupid law - legalize small amounts of cannabis. I'm urging you to vote yes if you life in California.

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

1. Man made pills. God made pot.

Who do you trust? ;)

[Taverner]

3. Of course but remember 'G0d' also made Hemlock

But Bob Dobbs gave us slack!

[awoke_in_2003]

9. Given "god's" track record...

I am beginning to wonder :)

[mike_c]

2. I only regret that I can only vote yes once....

So I'll just have to content myself with firing one up to celebrate!

[tavalon]

4. Yeah, it's not like in Chicago

We're the motto is to vote early and often, a nod to one of the early corrupted systems of voting.

[pintobean]

5. I'm against it.

The only reason is the shitty testing. Current testing can't determine if it was used two weeks ago or an hour ago. For those of us in dangerous jobs, this is a problem. I don't care who uses pot, but I do care when they use it. Not that my opinion matters, since I'm in Missouri.

[Taverner]

11. Well, don't use it and fly planes!

I think the problem is in the exact dangerous job. Not the drug.

I mean, you wouldn't do a shot of tequila before flying a plane either!

[pintobean]

15. I wouldn't want to be on the plane if the pilot is stoned.

I'm not the problem, the irresponsible people I work with are. I haven't smoked pot since I was in my teens - 30+ years ago.

[Taverner]

17. Well the irresponsible will always be irresponsible

But if 420 makes them crazy, I'm sure sugar, sex or tanning booths also play a part.

Thing is, the stuff has no known harmful effects, unless you smoke it. Which you don't have to.

[pintobean]

18. You're not making any sense to me.

Are you stoned right now?

[Taverner]

19. No - but tell me exactly why do you think legalization of pot is a bad idea?

[pintobean]

20. I did.

[Uncle Joe]

12. I believe any testing ability will change/improve, become more accurate, as MJ; is/was illegal,

there is/was little need to determine when it is/was used.

[RainDog]

6. Oregon State Rep. Peter Buckley said he would like to have a rational discussion about marijuana

...when he noted that he would like to put legalization on the Oregon state ballot in 2011.

Yes, there are dangers for certain people - just as there are dangers with alcohol. People need to know if they are in a particular risk group.

Teenagers don't need to get high on cannabis. Legalization, regulation and sales outlets that are required to follow the law will help reduce access - and penalties for supplying teens with cannabis are intact with Prop. 19 - unless that teen is undergoing chemo, etc. and has a medical marijuana card.

However, cannabis as a recreational intoxicant is less dangerous and harmful than alcohol. Millions of people can and do use both substances and lead productive lives. Those who have problems can seek help, just as they do with alcohol. Sales of cannabis via legal outlets will remove its proximity to other illegal and more dangerous substances.

Why spend money putting people in jail because of cannabis? Why not obtain some tax revenues in the same way that alcohol and cigarettes are taxed - rather than have people spend money based upon the danger of engaging in an illegal business.

I cannot understand what's so difficult to get about the reasonableness of legalization.

[Pathwalker]

7. Which one gives you the "ups", and which one "lays you back"?

I call the first one "busy weed". My brother tried to explain it to me years ago, but I can't remember which is which... Yeah, I know how that sounds... :rofl:

[Taverner]

10. I think Sativa is 'busy weed'

More THC, much more of an 'up' high.

Great for listening to music and folding laundry.

Indica is the 'tired' weed.


I think....

[Pathwalker]

13. Thank you. I think that's what my brother said, but wasn't sure.

I've been saying for decades that we need to legalize it, and tax it. It still makes sense.

[Taverner]

14. Think of the tourism possibilities

And at a time like now, a trip to California will be nice and cheap :)

[Uncle Joe]

8. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Taverner.:thumbsup:

[hootinholler]

16. There is something really really wrong with the tax stamp that was never intended to be.

But they couldn't think of any other legal way to make it illegal.

-Hoot

[madrchsod]

i have an Afghan seed....

according to a reliable source it`s happy grass!

[madrchsod]

21. i have an Afghan seed....

according to a reliable source it`s happy grass!

[YOY]

22. Yet it cannot make Dane Cook funny. Sweet lord I've tried. He's STILL not funny stoned...

n.t.