All the close polls are a rigged gambit to use e-voting to steal the elections.

[librechik]

That's why the Repuglies are so "confident" --Just like Bush in 04. They knew Rove was going to push the button and control the counting in Ohio.

Discuss.

[HughMoran]

1. Oh FFS

C'mon. :eyes:

[Dawgs]

2. +1. Same shit different year.

:(

[librechik]

4. so you're ok with keeping the insecure evoting sytem in place?

That's smart. Why bother to challenge and fix that? It's just a conspiracy theory (despite all the compelling stistical proof and evidence from programming experts.

Better to just take a shot at me for being consistent with my complaints about black box voting.

[HughMoran]

5. Oh c'mon

[Hawkowl]

8. If you only had a brain?

You're fine with vote stealing?

[Ozymanithrax]

3. So you are saying that all pollsters, even those doing polls...

for specific Democratic Campaigns are in a monstrous conspiracy to give cover to the whole theft of the election? So are all the media channels that broadcast these polls in on the conspiracy? Would a pollster outside the conspiracy who took a legitimate poll find dramatically different results?

[librechik]

7. no. I'm suggesting certain polls are deceptively weighted to make the Dems look weak.

and the numbers close, so that when an important swing location is compromised, few question the circumstances.

[Ozymanithrax]

9. That certainly appears to be true with Rasmussen, whose polls favor republicans.

I see it more as a way to develop a narrative that encourages Republican voters and discourage Democratic voters rather than a conspiracy to steal election.

[librechik]

12. yeah, and others. Gallup can play this game close to the election.

And exactly, I'm not suggesting a conspiracy so much as a movement by the Rovesters to seize these opportunities when they can get away with it. Which is always, apparently.

[MineralMan]

6. Unrecced for facts not in evidence.

This is pure speculation on your part.

[librechik]

10. I'm worried. The system is insecure. They have done this in the past.

Their modus operandi includes pushing dems as losers meme and "close polls"

Until we have secure voting, why is my speculation not fair? The machines can be hacked. I'm not making it up.

Why should I trust these people?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/05/dc-online-voting-system-h_0_n_750990.html

[MineralMan]

13. Any voting system is subject to fraud, including hand-counted

paper ballots. It's up to the people in every state and county to monitor the voting process. In Minnesota, that job is done in every election. If your state or county doesn't do it, then you need to make sure that is fixed. Elections are all local.

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

11. "Pure speculation" is exactly what you will be left with

in any election where the votes cannot be legitimately counted (i.e. no paper ballot)

[MineralMan]

14. Is that you, Jesus? If so, then see to it that all elections are

fair, prithee. Right after you walk across my swimming pool. You can do it on your head...

[Yeshuah Ben Joseph]

15. I don't do that "walking on water" thing anymore

Doesn't work as well when you have holes in your feet :(

[truedelphi]

16. Am I missing something? This is a forum in which we discuss many things

Almost everything on here is speculation. And often things that are perfectly clear, end up to be wrong in the end. (Look at diet recommendations that the Big Shots tell us are certain, but are reversed several years later. And look at the the court's evidentiary system, where the experts just realized a month ago something I could have told them a decade ago -handwriting analysis is meaningless.)

I see no reason in the world why we would have to have a research project that would need to have been in existence for years to determine whether the polls are or are not giving the Repugs a chance to steal this thing. There are few things in the world that are certain.

What we do know is this:

1) The electronic polls that are 85% of the vote counting systems out there are set up to be hackable.
2) The rigged voting system helped Bush in 2000.
3) The rigged voting system helped Bush in 2004. Not only in Ohio, but across the country where probably 7 to ten million votes were stolen. There were 400K worth of complaints about ballots being switched to Republican, or "disappeared." Inn o instance in that 400k worth of complaints, did a voter's choice go from Bush to Kerry. It was ALWAYS Kerry to Bush that occurred.
4) No one seems to care. The Powers that Be use the hackable systems to get what they want.

[librechik]

17. that doesn't mean you aren't a conspiracy theorist that is over reacting.

Facts are irrelevant when emotional certainty is so comforting. We're Number 1!

[truedelphi]

20. I presented a logical reason why speculation should be allowed on a discussion board.

You resorted to placing me in a group - that of the tinfoil crowd - through no other action than your decision to do so.

Then you denigrate me for being part of a group - that is, the emotional "conspiracy" tinfoil crowd that you placed me in - and once you have me in that group, name calling is justified, so basically you feel that name calling is superior to making a logical argument.

Fact of the matter is - I researched the vote fraud situaiton for several years. As an indie reporter, I had one of the first articles published that detailed the dangers of the electronic machinery, way back in April of 2004. I had two articles go viral in January and Febr of 2005.

My articles were featured on over three hundred blogs. Not because they were "airy fairy" but because they carefully detailed the many, many ways that the RW forces conspire to steal votes from the more liberal. Including following a case in Marin County Calif. where through FOIA I found a paid employee of the County Elections Office had been out on the streets hassling and intimidating Voting Activists. (A felony, BTW.) But Bush had so subverted the FBI that I could not even file a complain. Even with the help of a detective who worked for the DA in Marin County!

When an article you write gets published and is featured on 300 blogs, let me know.

[librechik]

22. no, no, sorry I was being sarcastic--I am in utter agreement with you

You and I are in the same discriminated-against group.

Thanks for your contributions, which I greatly appreciate.

This thread is dangerous.

[onenote]

18. If that was the plan, why not doctor the polls to show a big repub margin

If a repub is predicted to win by 5 and wins by two, who is going to claim it was stolen? They'll just say there was a Democratic/incumbent surge but it fell short.

[librechik]

19. It's a little early--but I'm afraid they will as election day gets closer.

They are masters at this, and don't intend to get caught with obvious spoofs. They wait til the heat of the election, then say Hurry Hurry Hurry! so nothing is checked properly. It's a horrible scam that has broken our democracy.

[valerief]

21. Bingo!!!!! nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Nah actually the polls are correct

given the universe of voters they are reaching.

Who are these voters? They tend to be OLDER, WHITE and with access to a land line.

I think we are just about another moment where pollsters are about to discover how wrong their polls are.

Who are they not reaching?

Middle age Americans that due to the constant badgering by marketeers they slam the phone down. Yes, include me in that list.

Who else are they COMPLETELY missing?

Younger demographics that do not even bother with a land line.

You know that famous election where Truman lost (if you listened to the polls) to Dewey. That was due to the bad techniques. And yes, it did byte them in the rear. We are about that moment again.

But within the universe of voters they are reaching, ironically a minority... they are correct.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

24. Well, clearly the denial about the GOP taking over has passed.....

....now it's time to blame something other than our party's clear inability to govern with a big lead for why it happened.