Credit where credit is due. Log Cabin Republicans take lead on ending DADT.

[VMI Dem]

Damn.

[RKP5637]

1. Recommend!!! n/t

[Pirate Smile]

2. Why didn't any Dem organizations sue in 2004?

edit to add - I'm just curious actually.

[VMI Dem]

3. Weak leadership.

[msanthrope]

8. Because associational standing wouldn't have afforded them much...

and that's why this will get appealed and overturned.

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[msanthrope]

25. No--I'd like this ruling to stick. Here's the most interesting part of the ruling---

where the judge describes how the administration "defended" this--

Finally, it again must be noted that Defendants called no witnesses, put on no affirmative case, and only entered into evidence the legislative history of the Act. This evidence, discussed in Section IV(C)(1) above, does not suffice to show the Act's restrictions on speech are "no more than is reasonably necessary" to achieve the goals of military readiness and unit cohesion. (See supra Section IV(C)(1).)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/39202813/LCR-v-USA-Amended-Final-Memorandum-Opinion

[Tesha]

10. It's never "quite the right time".

Haven't you noticed? We're always either "in an election year"
(when no one wants to rock the boat by bringing up any of
those nasty gay issues that might alienate Reich-Wing voters
whom the Democrats are counting in to see the error of their
ways and finally vote for the Democrats) or "it's just the first
year; just wait 'til next year when there's time!"

Tesha

[Pirate Smile]

14. It has taken some time for this case to make its way through the court system. I'm glad they

started it when they did.

[donco6]

17. Why bother, when you can use it to suck money out of donors indefinitely?

Like abortion does for the Other Guys.

[Pirate Smile]

19. You got the cynicism down. DADT will be long gone soon and the RW will continue to

suck money from their donors to "reverse Roe v. Wade".

[donco6]

20. And if it is gone soon - we get to thank the fucking Republicans!

Yay!

[Pirate Smile]

23. You mean the Log Cabin Republicans or the Republicans in Congress?

People seem to be getting fucking confused around here. We just had a vote on this. All the Republicans in the Senate voted against it.

Stop acting like the f@#king Republicans are friends to gay people.

You know, a Democratic Gay organization could have done what the Log Cabin Republicans did. Why didn't they?

"We're the ones we've been waiting for"

[donco6]

27. Or gee, the f@&!ng Democrats could have done something.

You know, those people we elected to do stuff?

[Pirate Smile]

29. They are.

[donco6]

30. Of course they are, dear. Of course they are.

Pat, pat, pat.

[terrya]

4. Absolutely.

[joeybee12]

5. They're still idots, but they got this one right...unlike, say, the DNC...KNR

[TheWraith]

6. The DNC platform calls for repeal.

You know, just in case you wanted some inconvenient facts.

[Tesha]

11. "Calling for (something)" isn't the same as doing something about something. (NT)

[TheWraith]

12. The DNC is not the legislative body of the United States Government.

Take the complaint up with Congress, where it belongs.

[Pirate Smile]

9. That isn't the role of the DNC. A Dem leaning gay activist group would be the equivalent, not the

DNC.

[LonePirate]

13. So the DNC shouldn't take the lead for any civil rights issues and let others do the heavy lifting?

Assuming the DNC would ever shed their corporatist and unprogressive views in order to pursue such actions?

[Pirate Smile]

18. The DNC helps elect Democrats. HRC seems more like the equivalent.

[donco6]

21. So then, why do they have a platform plank about it?

Repealing “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” in a sensible way that strengthens our armed forces and our national security;

I must say though, when I saw the word "sensible", I threw up in my mouth a little.

[Pirate Smile]

24. Because they try to elect Democrats who will repeal it. Helping to elect Democrats is their job.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

26. Yep. They are still idiots, but they deserve credit for this!

Glad they are standing up from the other side.

[Salviati]

7. Good for them,

Now what I'd like to see is pundits asking John Boehner, other leading republicans, and current republican candidates what their stance is on the Log Cabin Republicans lawsuit, and the ruiling in their favor...

[Naturyl]

16. Repukes are famous for taking a progressive stance when it directly benefits THEM.

Go check out some "progressives" collecting unemployment checks, for example. Then scan the parking lot and count the Bush stickers.

Hypocrisy - it's got a funky beat, and I can really dance to it.

[Scuba]

22. And shaming our party by doing so.

[Canuckistanian]

28. They DO show signs of evolving

But, DAMN, they're stupid in everything else they supposedly stand for, politically.