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cal04 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:38 PM Original message |
White House: 'Don't ask' will end soon |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
1. Define "soon." |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
106. 24 Business Hours? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Changing the law, through an act of Congress, is the gold standard. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. On what basis do you actually believe that? |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Because President Obama, and everyone else in his administration, have said repeatedly... |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. I respectfully disagree. Obama and his administration could barely care less about LGBT issues |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. The fact is any other avenue can be challenged. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. No, actually the "gold standard" would be -- |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. But then there's no signing ceremony. n/t |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. So, now the President is at fault... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Well, he likely does want in on this before the election as you said up thread. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. Where did he say that? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Skinner pointed out that Obama probably wants a win in glbt issues |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. That's the 2012 election. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Yes, that is the 2012 election. There was no misunderstanding |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
98. Reply to #10. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
33. The point is that Obama is doing nothing to end DADT |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. You're a very bad mind reader. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It's not just you |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. It isn't "just me", it isn't me at all, thanks. n/t |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. I disagree. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #15 |
101. So this appeal will eventually make the difference between DADT being dead |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
109. You described perfectly the part I'm not getting here |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Congress would have to "reinstate" another law. |
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MineralMan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
88. I certainly don't think the current SCOTUS would overturn it. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
104. Which is exactly what Obama is getting done n/t |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
107. So the DOJ is fighting for DADT |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. If the President declines to appeal Judge Phillips' ruling |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:08 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Not quite the same. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:18 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. My understanding |
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Skinner ADMIN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. It is dead, yes. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Also not a scholar but a decision by a single Federal Judge could be undone |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
57. Not true |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
97. But who would have standing to appeal? |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #21 |
96. This article, originally posted at Daily Kos explains why it is important to |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. TY Skinner, for your contributions to this discussion. Hope to see more of you ongoingly. |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure it will. |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's official... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. Just end the damned policy, Mr. President |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. "Get rid of the policy NOW." |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. the "law" has been struck down as unconstitutional |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. But why, when lofty words will suffice for so many fools? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:01 AM Response to Reply #6 |
110. But this sort of not doing anything and just waiting to see how the process |
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arcane1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. Wait... what??? |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Did they say whether they intend to help with that ? |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. heh |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
14. Good news. |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. "News" is not the promise that something will happen, someday |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
23. Gibbs says it is abou the 'process' |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. But only Congress can end DADT, right? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
27. Great! After that happens, I can start giving the DNC money again. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
28. "There'll be pie in the sky..when you die." Tom Hill |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
29. Mr. President, DADT can end tomorrow if you would simply comply with the Federal Court decision |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:41 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. You really believe this is all about Obama taking credit? |
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LonePirate (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. He does not deserve any credit but I believe he wants to take some |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:56 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Who said this? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Yes, he desperately wants the credit, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. "the dems" |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. So, don't appeal the ruling, |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. If some judge decides bias crime laws are unconstitutional.... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. Bias crime laws have already withstood court tests |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:21 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So far |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Oh, really? Just how likely is it to be passed this year? |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. Obama cannot end DATA, DOMA or any other law just because |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. But right now, Obama can end DADT, |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Doesn't the DOJ have an obligation to defend the laws on |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Not any sort of legally binding or constitutional obligation, no |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. Let me see if I get what you are saying... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Wow, nice way to try to twist what I'm saying, and twist what the DOJ does |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. The AG and president are supposed to be separate |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:45 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. No, they're not, |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:08 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Please provide the legal case where it states the President has the right.... |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Go read your history of the Kennedy's |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. No actual provision proving the President has the right to dictate to the DOJ... |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
91. Answer the question; do you want Republicans to have the same powers? |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:01 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. It is in the Constitution, |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
56. Obama gets attention on this issue because he asked for attention. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. And if he does follow through, to not take credit. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. What? That doesn't even make sense. n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:31 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. You want Obama to "follow through" on the repeal, but not to take any of the credit for ending DADT. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. As I said, you are a very bad mind reader. n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Right |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Attacking intentions that you attribute to me is ridiculous but be my guest. n/t |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. So, are you saying that attention is what he wants? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. The real point here is that he will be given ZERO credit for initiating this. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Barney Frank is a known homophobe. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Apparently. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
77. People started working on the repeal of DADT the day it was signed. |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. His pledge in the SOTU started the ball rolling in earnest. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:47 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Okay. n/t |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. No. If I was saying that, I would have said that. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #46 |
90. Or the process sucks and takes a long time |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
89. Still being ignorant, and refusing to get the fact |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:15 AM Response to Reply #89 |
113. No, the actual injunction is what can put an end to DADT |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
36. Golly, wonder what that process could be - "absent the Senate vote." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. What I don't understand is, why was Arnold able to refuse to defend H8 |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. This is why |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. The courts have already ruled this disgusting policy is unconstitutional. |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. I guess our California Justice Dept and law are some magical -- |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Yes, isn't that interesting. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
81. There may be a reason. I just have never heard one. n/t |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
58. Yeah Gibbo, lets end DADT in December... when we have a GOP Senate and probably a GOP House too. I'm |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. There will not be a GOP House and Senate in December. |
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Erose999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 07:12 AM Response to Reply #59 |
112. Well I guess they'll be officially sworn in in January. But you get my point. They need to act on |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
83. I love the passive voice |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
94. No credit to the White House on this one. They're not leading at all |
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BlueIris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. +1,000. |
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metapunditedgy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. Remember: 75% of the BP oil spill is now gone from the Gulf, largely thanks to |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
102. This isn't my chosen approach --I feel no need or desire to defend it |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-13-10 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
103. This was informative. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 05:05 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. I'm still not getting it |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
105. Okay, let me see if I've got this straight |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:04 AM Response to Original message |
108. LOLOL "This a policy that is going to end" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-14-10 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
114. Looks like walking down the up escalator |
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