End of Unrec?!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x100#123

[NoPasaran]

1. Noooooooooooo!

[leftstreet]

2. FFS People need to stop bitching about unRec IT'S FINE!

:banghead:

[awoke_in_2003]

3. I agree...

you always have that jackass who, five minutes after an OP, has to say "oh, the unreccer's are here". Then, 1 hour later, the OP is up to 30 or more. Don't know which is worse, cheerleaders or unreccers.

[valerief]

5. The whiners are WAY worse. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

17. yeah, you are probably right. nt

[pipi_k]

32. My way of dealing with the whiners...

if it were up to me to deal with them, that is, would be to tombstone the whiners.


It's Skinner's "house".


Same as if someone wanted to whine about something "unfair" in my home...like not letting people smoke in it. Don't like it? Then don't come here.


But then, I'm just a miserable old witch who hates whining...

:evilgrin:

[HuckleB]

49. It SUCKS!

[Renew Deal]

Was it "fine" in the Hannah Bell thread?

Or just about any other non-controversial thread on DU? It makes little difference on the Greatest Page, but it pisses people off. So it's a feature that pisses people off with no real benefit.

[A HERETIC I AM]

93. LOL.......

Was it "fine" in the Hannah Bell thread?

Apparently not, as so many felt that the entirety of DU should have shown the tops of their heads.

Ahh...those were a fun few days.

[valerief]

4. I think the victims who have to see unrecs should be able to hide unrec.

You know, set it as a profile preference. That way we could enjoy our unrecs and you wouldn't have to see them and the victimization would stop.

A good solution?

[awoke_in_2003]

20. better solution...

whine too many times, have you posting priviledges suspended for two days. Do it again, a week. Do it again, large pepperoni pizza.

[Canuckistanian]

22. I think there should be an automatic post put on threads

That says:

These members Unrecced this thread:
1. XXXXXX
2. XXX XXXXXX
3. XXX XXXX
4. XXX

And here are their personal email addresses:

XXXX, etc...


A better solution?

[valerief]

28. No. The problem is that the unrec whiners whine about seeing unrecs.

Hide it from them.

That way we people who want to unrec yet another unnecessary Glenn Beck post can do so without the tantrums.

[Canuckistanian]

36. Works for me

This whole unrec thing is just a giant pissing match.

[A HERETIC I AM]

103. Allow me to shortcut ya there...

Just automatically assume that every unrec you see was voted by ME.

I've seen this idea a bunch of times before. Lots of people want to know "who would unrec THIS?!?"

Save yourself a lot of time and effort and just assume it is good ol' A HERETIC I AM THE DESTROYER.

Because I think the whole thing is funny.

Here's the email too;

[e-mail].

Please keep in mind that the above email address is one that I have had for so long, that it is virtually completely filled with spam these days, so don't expect much of a response.


Jesus fucking H. Christ on a Pogo stick selling candied apples.

[Canuckistanian]

125. Done.

And thank you.

[A HERETIC I AM]

129. It was entirely my pleasure.

You are most welcome.

Glad to be of service.

[Canuckistanian]

136. You are most kind

I am at your service.

[A HERETIC I AM]

139. OH no! It is I who am at YOUR service.

After all, you and everyone else who has read this little exchange has my Email address!

I just want to take the doubt off the minds of the many who lament "who would unrec this".

I simply want to make it easy for folks.

But of course, we could go on like this all night, being kind and gracious to each other!

[pipi_k]

147. No fair!!!!!!

Why do you get to have 3,000,000 chances to unrec one thread and the rest of us only get one???


whine... :cry:

[Renew Deal]

122. lol

:rofl:

[pipi_k]

146. I think it would be a pretty good solution if...

the whiners actually did hide it.

I don't think the problem is that they don't want to see it...I think the problem is that they don't even want it to exist.

The usual stupid reasons..."stifling Free Speech"..."divisive"..."thread killer"...blah blah blah.


All of which, translated into English, means, "Wahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! People don't LIKE me!!! People think my topic SUCKS!!! I can't be FAMOUS for one day on the 'Greatest Threads' page!!!!"


Boo hoo hoo...whine whine whine....

[kentuck]

6. I really look forward to all the unrecs...

they make my day. :-)

Gives me an idea how many people that either disagree with me or hates my guts...

[awoke_in_2003]

23. I wish...

I could "unrec" your post


(Just kidding)
:hi:

[cherokeeprogressive]

34. How does one know how many unrecs they've received? I'd love to know...

I also think there should be an Unrec Hall of Fame. I'm sure I'd be in it, I bet I've received more than most.

[pipi_k]

148. I wondered that too until

one day I realized people must be sitting there refreshing the screen, watching the recs go up and down.

I mean, that's the only way I can imagine they'd know.

And that is pretty pathetic.

[Nye Bevan]

7. That would suck. The large silent majority (of which I am a member) love the unrec button.

Just because we don't start several threads per week praising the unrec feature doesn't mean we don't like it. I hope the whiners don't get their way.

[shanti]

8. awesome!

i hated that feature

[tularetom]

9. IMO it's asinine. I've never used it.

I don't pay any attention to it except to respond to one of these threads where people "whine" about it.

If they kill the unrec option I don't fucking care. If they keep it I don't care either. It's their decision. Presumably we are all adults here. Is this worth big giant arguments? Who really gives a shit?

[ZombieHorde]

10. Aaaaaawwwwwww.

I love unrec.

[seabeyond]

13. sometimes it is necessary vital. all important.... the end of the world as we know it. hey

you know those winers...

[seabeyond]

11. sometimes i really need the unrec cause of the stupid ass rec...gonna undue unrec, then gotta undue

rec

[WillyT]

12. Yessss...

Doing the DU Dance of Joy !!!

:bounce::woohoo::bounce:

:beer::smoke::beer:

:party:

:kick:

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. Big fat Unrec for the end of Unrec. n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

25. I am rec'ing

for your unrec of unrec :)

[seabeyond]

35. you reminded me to unrec, lol. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

98. Now I'm confused. Fer it? Or agin it?

[targetpractice]

15. If your users are whining... There is something wrong. Listen.

DemocraticUnderground is a brand... Like it or not. The last thing that any great brand wants is a significant proportion of its user population to whine, bitch, or complain about the service offered.

[leftstreet]

21. Only a small percentage bitch about it

That should tell you something

[targetpractice]

47. I haven't seen any actual data to support your contention... Have you?

How many Apple customers whine? How many Harley-Davidson customers whine?

Answer: Virtually none. When they do, Apple and Harley-Davidson (two of the top brands in terms of user loyalty) make changes.

Great brands have evangelists and not whiners.

Based on my observations... The "unrec feature" causes a significant source of ill will on this site.

[leftstreet]

59. I'm sure Admin can access the data

I only know that posts with strong leftist sentiment routinely make it to the Greatest Page.

Whereas posts such as !!OBAMA ATE A CUPCAKE TODAY! WHEE! WHEE! WHEE!! do not


If unRec goes away we are doomed

:beer:

[A HERETIC I AM]

114. How many people have the Apple logo tatooed on their arms?

I don't think your analogy carries too much water.

The brand loyalty Harley Davidson carries is the envy of the corporate world.

[targetpractice]

120. Apple is ranked very close Harley.

Be that as it may... A good brand strives for "recommenders" and "evangelists"... Any persistant (no matter how small) population of naysayers or whiners is not good for any brand, service, or product organization.

[A HERETIC I AM]

138. So your answer to my question is "none", right?

Or at least "damned few".

Of course, if you have ever been to Bike Week, Sturgis, Laconia or any other major motorcycle gathering, you would find you couldn't swing a dead cat without hitting someone with a Harley logo tattoo somewhere on their body.

Not that I have ever been to a tech convention, but I am willing to bet there aren't too many Apple devotees who are so smitten with those products that it drives them to body modification.

[Codeine]

30. It's not a significant portion. It's just a loud, whiny portion. nt

[seabeyond]

38. sheeeit... everyone argues about everything all the time. listen to the whiners then you will have

new group of whiners that the whiners were listened to.

[GoneOffShore]

16. Since the unrec/rec function has been available I've like DU a lot more.

Having the ability to "Thumbs down" some threads is needed functionality.

Though I think having it show how many of each rather than just net numbers would be nice.

[seabeyond]

40. me too. too many really bad, offensive threads were getting recommended with no recourse

but by groups.

[pintobean]

Squeeky wheels n/t

[Catherina]

18. No. Please stop giving the grease to the squeaky wheels!

If anything, I would like to see us have the ability to rec and unrec individual posts like you can at KOS. Also, the recs and unrecs should remain on record, even after a thread is archived.

Let's quit it with giving in to manipulation just because the people are annoying.

[pintobean]

31. jinx

My penalty for poor spelling is the denial of a post number.

[Catherina]

43. You're so funny. I love that pic

I have to edit over half of my posts because of stupid typos. You have company Pintobean!

[TonyMontana]

19. Considering he called them whiners...

I don't think the unrec feature is going anywhere.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. Automatic UNREC for an UNREC thread!

Oh, wait a minute.

[Quantess]

26. I like Unrec!

Don't take it away!

[valerief]

29. I rec that sentiment! nt

[donheld]

137. me too

[LostInAnomie]

27. It will be a sad day...

... if Skinner gives in to the petulant unrec whiners.

[HuckleB]

51. It will be a good day, and a day that sees DU moving forward toward improved dialogue.

[Mimosa]

33. I don't mind un-rec as a tool and i never click the wrong choice.

I have a good sense of who uses it and why. ;)

[Raine]

37. I can take it or leave it

most of the time I forget to use it one way or the other.

edit: added word

[JonLP24]

39. I'd like to see the feature go

[KansasVoter]

41. Get rid of both or neither.

[Rex]

42. Actually the rec/unrec warfest has brought out the inner tiger of mostly

normally inert people that merely lurk. Why in '09 I thought there would be an all out civil-unrec|rec-war but it was called off do to the new treaty signing on the Greatest Page Everest! I believe we are entering a new Cold-War era unrec|rec war between rival patriots. Expect much pillow sobbing and tissue blowing to follow.

[Panaconda]

44. Unrecommendation

is not a word.

Is it?

I unrecommend the chef's choice.

Nah, sounds rather clumsy.

[JonLP24]

46. I couldn't find it in the dictionary

Either way I look at it as a thumbs up/thumbs down kind of thing.

[targetpractice]

53. Exactly. More than clumsy... It's wrong...

As implemented... The "Unrecommend feature" is functionally equivalent to "unvote" or "I will cancel/steal your vote that recommends this thread."

How undemocratic is that?

[Panaconda]

57. Good point

I've got an old Unwrecker that I'll sell for a nickel.

Just all seems rather campy and unimaginative.

[TexasObserver]

80. Your approach is undemocratic.

You can vote FOR, but you can't vote AGAINST.

It's silly, at best, to embrace such a notion.

[targetpractice]

96. If you look at other methods online...

I get what you are saying... I suggest you look at other methods online... You will find that on iTunes, Facebook, or YouTube the topic or original post can only be "rated" (usually 1 thru 5 stars) and in addition the individual comments can get a thumbs up/ thumbs down, like/dislike, rec/unrec, or helpful/unhelpful... This approach allows transparency where the naysayers are transparent and can be determined to be credible or not by lurkers and other users... However, you will find that these methods NEVER subtract positive votes.. you can always view the distribution of votes.

[TexasObserver]

106. I favor showing the count of the recs or unrecs.

But the admins considered that early, and if I recall, the furor by those who opposed such was immediate. The admins don't show the vote because they don't want to offend tender sensibilities.

[targetpractice]

112. Yup...

The "unrec" aficionados are quite lazy and simply want to shit on topics they dislike without contributing to the debate... They are they ultimate whiners (by definition) in my opinion.

[TexasObserver]

121. I don't agree with that post, at all. The whining is from those opposing Unrec.

As your post shows, you don't like the feature and you whine about those who use it.



Whine on, whine on, harvest moon, up in the sky ....

[targetpractice]

133. Fine...

I'm a user experience designer by profession, and not whining for myself... I'm trying to be an advocate for the population of DU users that continually complain about this feature.

People seem to continually oppose the unrec feature that you obviously like. As fellow users, their point-of-view is valid whether you agree or not.

I'm suggesting that the "powers that be" consider the conflicting opinions and redesign the site to make everyone happy... It's certainly possible to do that... Any site designer who says it's not possible to please most users is lazy or inexperienced or stubborn.

[pipi_k]

149. Just wanted to point out that it took a whole lot of work

to unrec and hide the more than 70 threads on the same topic that appeared over the weekend of the Glen Beck rally.

I didn't feel I had to justify my reasons for doing it, and I didn't want to go into each thread...or start a new one...pointing out how incredibly stupid I thought it was to have more than 70 threads (yes...I counted them) on the same subject.


And as for people being too lazy to contribute to a debate, using unrec instead, ummm...I'm not sure, but I think the whole point is that if someone thinks a thread deserves an unrec, he's not likely to think it worthy of discussion, either.


:shrug:

[southerncrone]

45. Please don't toy with my emotions.

[HuckleB]

48. I hope so.

Its only purpose is emotional crap, and it hurts DU, and keeps good information down.

[LostInAnomie]

52. How does it keep good information down?

Unrec does nothing to keep people from posting in a thread or to keep people from seeing a thread.

[HuckleB]

54. A good many DUers check Greatest Threads as their main point of the visit, which makes sense.

Unfortunately, a lot of great OPs will never make it because some posters have a hater following that unrecs everything they post from the get go. It's become ridiculous.

[targetpractice]

60. Unrec is not a good solution to a homepage for frequent users....

If that's the reason for the "unrec feature" it's misguided... Instead design a mechanism that lets users personalize their homepage... Not a feature that shits on discussions that don't interest them.

[LostInAnomie]

64. The greatest page is not a right for anyone...

... it is a privilege. The unrec feature allows the totality of Democratic Underground to have a vote on what makes it there. Instead of being a one way street like it used to be with only reccomend, unrec makes it harder for a small group with a pet issue from forcing garbage onto the greatest page and representing the sentiment of DU.

Unrec is a democratic tool.

[targetpractice]

67. It's not democratic... It a "vote stealing" tool...

It's the opposite of democratic... Vote for some other (better) topic or thread if you want it on the greatest page. Don't steal votes out of the ballot box if you don't like how things are going.

[LostInAnomie]

79. Bull...

What was the opposite of democratic was the previous system where a small group could flood the greatest page by reccing up their pet topic and there was nothing the rest of DU could do about it.

Your thread is not entitled to the greatest page. You have to earn it by posting something that the totality of DU thinks deserves to be there. That's democracy, like or not.

[HuckleB]

68. What a ridiculous argument.

The question is about what makes DU a stronger community, that foments strong discussion.

Your post is meaningless in a discussion that aims at that.

[LostInAnomie]

74. Your view is laughable.

If unrec diminished discussion this thread would have almost no posts.

Unrec strengthens DUers ability to express themselves and their views.

[targetpractice]

78. delete

delete

[LostInAnomie]

83. How are you being suppressed?

You can post about any topic you feel like posting. You can discuss it in depth. You can get limitless replies. Each reply bumps your post to the top of the forum you posted it in. How exactly (keeping in mind you have no right to the greatest page) does unrec stop anyone from discussion anything?

[targetpractice]

81. Hah...

It strengthens your ability to SUPPRESS others, and allows you to be so lazy that you don't need to formulate and EXPRESS an opinion whatsoever.

It is SUPPRESSION tool.. Not and EXPRESSION tool. Stop fooling yourself.

[LostInAnomie]

86. How?

How does unreccing keep you and your opinions from being expressed as freely and frequently as you feel necessary?

[HuckleB]

143. Yup. -eom-

[pipi_k]

152. Well, so is "K & R"

What sort of constructive discussion happens there?

What sort of intelligent expression?



My god, I've seen threads where at least half the replies are nothing but "K & R"



either have both, or get rid of both. If one doesn't do anything to foster intelligent discussion, then neither does the other.

[HuckleB]

142. That's your claim.

But your argument is basically "because you say so."

[TexasObserver]

82. "Unrec is a democratic tool" is right.

It's the most democratic thing we do here.

[Renew Deal]

88. Right, so everything that all DUers agree on gets to the greatest page, and the interesting stuff

stays off. Unrec is unnecessary. Guess what happens if there's no unrec? The most popular stuff still gets to the top of the greatest page and the most interesting stuff is there too, but maybe lower. It works itself out.

Unrec is hardly democratic. It's about message control.

[LostInAnomie]

94. Not even close.

Before unrec, the greatest page was flooded with "Rec if you think..." crap, and divisive topics that small groups would vote up much to the chagrin of the rest of DU. The majority of DU didn't have a voice in what made it to their greatest page.

[Renew Deal]

105. Wrong

The "rec this thread" crap hasn't stopped. It moves up the page because people want to rec it. Unrec makes little difference. Guess what happens if "small groups" (AKA members) rec a thread they like? It's still lower on the greatest page than the more popular stuff. And you're wrong about "the majority of DU" thing too. The entirety of DU had a voice in what made it to the greatest page. Now it's just the largest group. It's not representative of what DU actually is.

[TexasObserver]

100. You think threads are recommend-worthy that most posters don't.

THAT is the problem, and the only problem.

You believe that your judgment as to the proper choice between Rec and Unrec on a thread is the only one that makes any sense.

That's utter delusion.

[HuckleB]

144. Exactly.

[targetpractice]

56. Right... It's deliberately mean spirited and does suppress participation.

It allows people to suppress a topic without offering any debate or counterpoint.

It's juvenile.. like "mooning" or monkeys flinging shit at something they don't like.

[HuckleB]

58. Exactly!

[leftstreet]

61. If a majority of DUers WANT a topic suppressed.....

:shrug:

[targetpractice]

65. There are much better like and recommendation implementations out there...

Look at iTunes, YouTube, and Facebook... Each of those methods is a better implementation to what we have here... There's better transparency in those... Users can see who "dislikes" a topic and judge their credibility... That's not possible with the DU system.

[HuckleB]

71. It's not a majority, but a small minority that insists on using a tool used by a few...

... to keep ideas from the many of DU.

It's unworkable.

[leftstreet]

118. Yes. It's a conspiracy. The majority of us are keeping ideas from you

:beer:

[Renew Deal]

91. A majority of Americans are against marriage equality.

:shrug:

[leftstreet]

115. No they're not n/t

[LostInAnomie]

69. It is not mean spirited...

... and does not suppress participation. It is a democratic tool that allows all DUers a chance to determine what makes it onto their greatest page.

If it suppressed participation, this thread wouldn't have almost 70 posts.

[HuckleB]

72. In practice, it is very mean spirited, with many individuals getting pounded by subgroups.

It needs to go.

[LostInAnomie]

89. And before, the system was abused by subgroups...

... that flooded the greatest page with their pet topics and "Rec if you think..." crap.

[HuckleB]

141. It was nothing like it is now.

[targetpractice]

75. Wow... You should reflect upon the definition of "suppress"...

And, then tell us how that differs from the "unreccommend" feature.

"Unrec" cancels out a recommendation... It suppresses a recommendation, in other words.

Vote for what you like rather than suppressing the opinion of others.

[LostInAnomie]

85. Yeah, just like my voting for Obama suppressed McCain.

:eyes:

If I were suppressing you ability to discuss, I would be keeping you from discussing. Unrec does that in no conceivable way.

Unrec isn't saying "I don't like this". It's saying "I don't think this is worthy of the greatest page".

[targetpractice]

108. Nope...

Voting FOR Obama is positive and assertive choice for his candidacy , platform, agenda, etc.

In our democracy, we don't have the ability to simply show our dislike McCain's candidacy, platform, agenda, etc. by simply casting an "unvote" or "thumbs down" or "unrec" for him. In our democracy, we express our position by VOTING FOR a candidacy, platform, agenda, etc. that we support.

Not sure why you don't understand that nuance.

If you don't like a topic.. Vote for another one.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

110. Except for ballot initiatives.

[targetpractice]

113. Ouch...

I don't like those either!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

156. I agree in general, but they do people to the polls.

:)

[superduperfarleft]

50. I've got to say that my respect for Skinner has increased dramatically

due to him explicitly calling it "whining."

[laughingliberal]

107. I think unrec is fine. And I say that as one who gets her fair share (& then some) of unrecs. nt

[TexasObserver]

132. I like the whole format of the "Ask the Admins," too.

By not allowing discussion, but only having a dialog between the poster who asks the question and the admin who responds, it's not cluttered by interference.

By requiring that questions be screened before viewing, it stops posters from misusing the forum to lobby for positions.

I like the hell out of it.

[HughMoran]

55. It's fine. I do think there should be a limited number per day.

Maybe 10 per day.

[EFerrari]

62. I was totally wrong about unrec when it was introduced.

It didn't stop minority opinion from being seen. Not at all and I admit I was as wrong as possible.

But what has happened lately is something else. At the moment, it's being used to divide DU. And that can't be what the admins had in mind.

[Renew Deal]

90. And I was right about unrec

It would be used to divide DU. A feature like that can't work on a political message board. It's not like a tech board where "cool" technology threads move up and almost everyone agrees on what's "cool." Political sites have a diversity of opinion and unrec is used like a weapon.

[southerncrone]

63. My problem w/Unrec is it's placement. Being a creature of habit,

I often click it by accident.....because it is placed where Recommend was for YEARS. I don't have any problem w/it if it were moved to the other side of the page. Perhaps then I wouldn't automatically click it, when I really want to Rec a thread because it's where Rec has always been. Then I've done exactly the opposite of what I wanted & can't even bring things back to neutral, because I've already "voted" & can't undo it. UNDO would be at least an option that would service those of us who are in the habit of clicking where the Rec us to be, so we could fix the err of our ways.

I say JUST MOVE IT.

[Iggo]

66. But I like the whining!

[HughMoran]

97. Agreed

:)

[JI7]

70. i think many who complain about being unrec would don't want it to go away

because they like to whine and play victim from the unrec

[TexasObserver]

73. Probably not, but maybe the end of threads complaining about it.

[Jamastiene]

76. Damn, and I was just getting the hang of it.

Sometimes I don't know whether to Rec a thread because I want more people to see it or Unrec it because the news in it is bad or negative.

Maybe they'll just make it so you can go to a confirmation page that asks if you are sure. Maybe.

[valerief]

77. I think we should fight to the death people of Unrecistan and uphold the honor

of the citizens of Recistan. With liberty and justice for all.

[Renew Deal]

84. The complaints about unrec are legitimate and are the source of many "problems" on DU

People want to talk about how things have changed. The unrec feature is the source of many problems.

[TexasObserver]

92. But they aren't, and they've been heard and rejected ad nauseam.

Here's what it comes down to: those who seethe at the feature strive to find reasons to support their position, and the reasons cited by those who oppose "unrecommend" always miss the point, which is:

It's not your decision what is a proper vote on each thread. Each vote belongs to the poster making it, and no matter how much you may not like the result, it's a proper use of THEIR vote on the thread.

[Renew Deal]

99. You're right. They have a right to unrec threads about missing DUers and Amber Alerts

But it doesn't mean they should. Anonymously doing so creates bad blood. It's made DUers distrustful of each other.

[TexasObserver]

109. I always unrec such threads, so you can blame me.

I don't think "has anyone heard from (missing DUer)" belongs on the Greatest Page. Same for Amber Alerts.

The whole "but it's anonymous" is a bullshit complaint, too.

No amount of telling those who hate Unrec that the thread doesn't belong on the Greatest Page will satisfy their anger.

[Renew Deal]

119. You can't even control yourself in a thread about a missing child?

Says a lot about you.

[TexasObserver]

126. Why should a thread about an Amber Alert be on the Greatest Page?

It's an AMBER ALERT. It's all over the news and it's informative, but it doesn't need to be on the Greatest Page. Your belief that placing such a thread on the Greatest Page is helping to look for a missing child is a misplaced belief.

That is a perfect example of the kind of thread that does NOT belong on the Greatest Page.

As for your haughty attitude about my not sharing your belief, that says a lot about you.

[Renew Deal]

131. Anything that can be done to return that child to their family should be done.

A lot of DUers get their news from DU and/or don't watch TV. If it saves even 1 child it's worth it. I can't believe I actually have to explain this to someone.

[TexasObserver]

135. No one is suggesting you shouldn't post it.

Double post it. Put it in the Lounge, too.

Your vision and mine of The Greatest Page are not the same. Unlike you, I don't think such a place is where Amber Alerts belong. Those who agree with you can help you put it on the Greatest Page, however.

This discussion is based upon your inability to accept that others may not agree with you about the recommend-worthiness of a given topic. And that's where your complaints about the unrec feature will always come from: YOUR personal choices that you think should be universal.

I see the unrec feature as an editorial feature and you see it as a condemnation feature.

[Iggo]

102. Stop making sense!

B-)

[valerief]

104. But I'm a FOREIGN CORPORATION. I can get whatever I want!!!! nt

[HuckleB]

145. Indeed it is, and the fact that so many don't see that is mind boggling.

[peace13]

87. Too much to hope for. n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

95. ... (update?!) ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x133#148

(Sorry, mods, if it's not cool to repost from AKA, but I couldn't help myself, and I'd unerec myself if I could)

[LostInAnomie]

101. Geez, can you imagine how much the whiners would hate it...

... if they could see the total number of people that think their post is crap.

[Jamastiene]

116. I like the Thumbsup and Thumbsdown idea. n/t

[TexasObserver]

117. You'd better check this later post for an update that is relevant.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x151#155

(I am assuming this is OK to post, since the entire thread is based up such.)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

123. Thanks... This is funny...

"What I always find amusing/annoying is how people can't possibly imagine why others might not like a particular post. Usually, if you spend 10 seconds of critical thinking, the answer is pretty obvious."

[TexasObserver]

128. That's a point I've tried to make in these threads over and over.

I often find myself thinking "who would recommend this" instead of "why is this being unrecommended."

[A-Schwarzenegger]

157. My most common response is:

What in the hell are they talking about?!

Three options:
Rec
Unrec
What in the Hell are they talking about?

[Renew Deal]

111. Compare the current "greatest page" with "just rec" and tell me which is better.

Compare them right here and you tell me which is better. I just want to know if complaints about homophobia will also be called "whining." There's little difference between the top 10 threads of each, but there's an entire forum filled with people that think everyone else is a troll. Is unrec worth it? No

Current Greatest Page
My letter as I read it to the school board
+201 votes : By proud patriot

Exclusive: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Donations
+123 votes : By Derechos

Of Lost Cats and Communities
+104 votes : By Lorien

Meg Whitman Debate Audience Mocks Her Hypocrisy (Video)
+75 votes : By tomm2thumbs

White House's Jarrett: Dead Gay Bully Victim Made 'Lifestyle Choice'
+74 votes : By Bluebear

Waking the Giant
+71 votes : By H2O Man

Unbefreakinglievable: Industrywide scheme designed to steal homes!
+69 votes : By Count Olaf

The Ask The Administrators forum is back.
+68 votes : By Skinner

GOP governor hopeful Carl Paladino cashed in on Buffalo gay clubs Cobalt, Buddies II
+58 votes : By kpete

If you don't understand why the words lifestyle choice are offensive
+48 votes : By dsc


Just recs

My letter as I read it to the school board
202 recs : By proud patriot

Exclusive: Chamber Receives At Least $885,000 From Over 80 Foreign Companies In Disclosed Donations
124 recs : By Derechos

White House's Jarrett: Dead Gay Bully Victim Made 'Lifestyle Choice'
106 recs : By Bluebear

Of Lost Cats and Communities
103 recs : By Lorien

Meg Whitman Debate Audience Mocks Her Hypocrisy
75 recs : By tomm2thumbs

Waking the Giant
71 recs : By H2O Man

The Ask The Administrators forum is back.
69 recs : By Skinner

Unbefreakinglievable: Industrywide scheme designed to steal homes!
68 recs : By Count Olaf

GOP governor hopeful Carl Paladino cashed in on Buffalo gay clubs Cobalt, Buddies II
58 recs : By kpete

If you don't understand why the words lifestyle choice are offensive
51 recs : By dsc

[targetpractice]

124. Perhaps, the current "unrec feature" is not the best way...

...to get a good "greatest page" for frequent/new users.

My contention... Look at other recommendation systems online (e.g. YouTube, FaceBook, or iTunes)... None of their users are complaining about the recommendation system like we are doing on DemocraticUnderground... Our particular implementation sucks!!!

[Renew Deal]

127. The problem is that we're a political site.

And there is a lot of disagreement. Youtube is easy. Cute kitty videos and obscene gestures by hockey players are universally amusing.

[krispos42]

130. I like the feature. I also think the options are too close together, though.

:shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

134. Why not have a rec AND an unrec tally?

[PopSixSquish]

140. The Rec/UnRec Post Wars Around Here Amuse Me Greatly

It's like watching a bunch of "Heathers" argue...

[Buns_of_Fire]

150. Keep them both and add a THIRD option -- "I like to vote"

There. Problem solved. No charge.:-)

On edit: Or, as an alternative, it could be the tried-and-true "Robb is a dingbat".

[crazyjoe]

151. the whole thing is very "high school". Lets grow up people

[Nye Bevan]

153. But *he* started it! (nt)

[City Lights]

154. IMO, there are too many unrec whiners here.

:eyes:

Sheesh, it's like middle school all over again. :thumbsdown:

[ecstatic]

155. I'm sick of the whining too!

Grow up people!