Apple becomes number one PC maker, with iPad.

[onehandle]

Industry wide, it is acknowledged that the iPad is cutting substantially into netbook sales. Millions are now using iPads as their main PC.
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Apple shipped 1.9 million PCs in the U.S. in the last quarter, compared to HP's 4.5 million and Dell's 4.3 million. Now add a conservative estimate of 4.5 million iPads and that puts it in the lead by a mile.

Apple is now the biggest US PC maker. Really? Yes indeed, if you read between the lines of the latest Gartner and IDC PC marketshare data. Even without those sales, the once-declared-dead Apple Inc. has achieved an impressive 10.6 percent share of the US PC market. IDC has declared the company to be the third-biggest PC maker.

These figures are astonishing. They represent a substantial transformation for the company, which has accomplished a significant move from the periphery into the core of the PC industry. This is why the Mac still matters at Apple Inc.

snip..

It is ever so obvious that iPads can be used as productivity devices -- that's why Fortune 500 companies are adopting them; that is why corporations are considering them a viable and lightweight alternative to notebooks for business trips.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/207852/Apple_is_the_Biggest_US_PC_Maker_Really.html

[cbdo2007]

1. "Millions are now using iPads as their main PC." - hahahah ahaha haha ahahahahah!!!

That's hilarious.

It's like going back in time 10 years. Who ever would have guessed that of all the years of technology moving forward so fast, that it would take such a huge leap backward and that that would be the preferred method??? hahahah, this is hilarious.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I finally gave in

Tried a much cheaper android but bad hardware is bad hardware.

I got a really bum back... But it is NOT the main putter. When back is doing better will carry both my nettle and this. For the moment it is this.

Writing an academic paper on this, not really... Footnotes, what footnotes.

Short fiction, book reader... Sure, that it does well.

[Subdivisions]

8. W-T-H are you talking about? n/t

[kirby]

19. Obviously someone posting from their iPad!

It kinda highlights how difficult it is for this type of communication rather than just 'browsing'.

[cbdo2007]

41. hahaha - good one!!

Really that's part of my point. I mean, I have a 15 inch laptop and I have tried "smaller" items, even a 14 inch and my hands are just too big and my vision too poor to go any smaller than this for everyday functions.

Sure, my father in law has one, so at family gatherings he is always off in some corner laughing to himself while watching Youtube videos, but besides just goofing off with it, it just isn't a practical device.

Email on the go - cell phone
All other computing - laptop

There is no room for things in between because you're always going to sacrifice for not much improvement.

[nadinbrzezinski]

75. PDF processing

But that is just me.

[krabigirl]

82. not if you have the wireless keyboard :) kinda defeats the purpose, but I like it.

[alfredo]

136. Stephen Fry said the iPad is like a pet dog. Read quote below.

"UK personality and bon vivant Stephen Fry believes the iPad is like a pet dog; a canine can perform a limited set of functions, but people don't buy dogs for their "feature list," he argues, so much as for the sheer enjoyment they give their owners. "

Read more: http://www.macnn.com/articles/10/10/01/actor.author.chats.at.uk.ipad.conference/#ixzz12RTG1uOf

[cliffordu]

160. I LOVE the mac wireless keyboard - and use it with my Ipad for all my

writing....

Easy peasy.

[smiley_glad_hands]

78. Android doesnt support tablets yet.

You must have bought a cheap chinese knock off sporting Android 2.1. Makes a nice ereader and can browse the web thru wifi, thats about it though.

[nadinbrzezinski]

79. Actually they do

And if the novel had better quality...

And in November you can go to Bordeers and buy a shiny Cruz tablet.

[smiley_glad_hands]

90. Actually they don't, you should google it. nt

[Occulus]

105. The Android OS will not be appropriate for tablets until the next version

per Google.

Oh, you can do a Droid tablet right now with 2.1, but you will be left unimpressed. They are working on a version of the OS that is intended for tablets, among other things.

Enjoy the iPad now, while it's popular, because in less than a year, it will be the runner-up, just like the iPhone 4 is compared to the newest 'Droid phones.

[nadinbrzezinski]

108. I will be using this forna good five years

I fon't change hardware

And yes fhe os is fine. I would have kept it, but a bad card really told me no.

For the moment I am loving the PDF markup tools.

[alfredo]

99. It is primarily a media delivery device. If I want to do a lot

of writing on it, I use my bluetooth keyboard.

It is really good for reading. The older you get, the more light you need for reading. The backlit screen really makes a difference. A regular book tires my eyes quickly (5 min appox), but now I can sit and read for an hour on the iPad.

[CTD]

3. Why is that ridiculous? Most people use their PCs to surf the web and send email.

Most people don't use their PCs for serious computing - not even the occasional spreadsheet or Word doc. For what most people do on a PC (send email, surf the web, view and store pictures, play music and video, even modest gaming), the iPad is a lower-cost and very mobile alternative.

[mike_c]

5. for most folks, ten year old "technology" is probably all the computing they need....

When the iPad was first announced I was exceedingly happy, because I've been waiting for an affordable, non-kludgy notepad computer for years. Alas, the iPad isn't it-- my disappointment was palpable when I learned just how limited the iPad is. Still, it appears that most people need little more than the thinnest of thin clients because all they use their computers for is internet communication. The iPad makes that hugely portable and esthetically pleasing. It's utter weakness as a computing platform isn't a deterrent for most buyers, leading me to think that most folks really just need a communications device, not a computer.

[Touchdown]

20. So you have one yourself.

You write about it as if you do. :shrug:

[mike_c]

110. no-- iPad is not what I've been waiting for so I don't have one....

Several of my colleagues do, and I've played with theirs, but no, I'll save my money until the iPad is a general purpose computing platform. Until it will do pretty much everything my notebook computer will do.

[Touchdown]

114. I knew that.

Just wanted to make sure, since I own one and you made an erroneous assumption.

[Greyhound]

39. And if software wasn't so incredibly crappy, 15 year old tech is still more than enough.

I'm genuinely surprised when I meet a user that has even the most rudimentary understanding of what computers are and what they do.

Of course if they did the marketing guys wouldn't be able to sell people on the idea that they 'need' a 3.5GHz, dual quad core processor system with 32GB of RAM, now could they?

[Statistical]

43. Well it all depends what you are doing.

Some things even written well with significant optimization can utilize all the CPU power you can throw at it.

Brute Force Decryption and video encoding, data analysis & statistical modeling on large datasets would be just three examples.

Still you are right, word processor, AV, playing videos, browser, etc are all horribly bloated.

[Greyhound]

67. Of course, but how many average users even understand what we're talking about,

let alone do it? They might know the words, but there is no understanding for most.

Don't get me wrong, The near miraculous advances in hardware are wonderful and really do help to put what can only be described as a paradise within our reach, but our mentality is still stuck in a 19th century fantasy created by the opponents of progress.

This conversation has great potential to go way off topic, so I'll leave it at that.

[Statistical]

69. I will agree that computing power has grown quicker than need for computing power by average user.

Thus with each generation the importance of hardware "power" is lessened.

[alfredo]

137. What we have on our desktops was considered a supercomputer

a decade ago.

Except for photo processing, the iPad is sufficient for me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

76. Why I use a nettle for word processing

Don't need more...

That said, nook study meant max ram on that sucker. Run GIMP on it? That would be stoopid!

[Occulus]

106. 'Zactly.

This:

"most folks really just need a communications device, not a computer"

is why tablets are the next up-and-coming Thing.

Personally, I'm waiting for a good tablet running Android, especially since there's probably going to be an official rootkit, like there is for some of the 'Droid 2.x phones.

I want something more open than the iPad.

[Hissyspit]

11. The mobile revolution is itself as big a revolution as the movement from mainframes to PCs.

iPad has advantages and disadvantages. Just like any computer. And it will continue to be improved.

I don't have one myself, but I don't have a desktop, either. Your linear thinking is misleading. The big revolution NOW is toward mobility from limitations of desktops.

[krabigirl]

86. It depends. If you are seriously into pc gaming, you probably still want a desktop.

[Statistical]

87. Also any work requiring an efficient form factor.

I doubt anyone is going to do any programming, debugging, database/statistical analysis, or even desktop publishing from a ipad.

ipad has a very reduced subset of functionality. Now for some people that is fine but to consider it equivalent to a personal computer (meaning windows, apple OS X, or linux based) is silly.

[nadinbrzezinski]

104. Some things

You could do web design on a pad... You need...any text editor will do. You know that.

Same goes for programing.

Database and all that... Or desktop publishing...I would not try that on my nettle. Does that mean it is not a real computer either?

The problem is the user. Just because the price is right you do not get a nettle to run oh... Adobe Photoshop. So I guess I don't own putters? Oh wait there is the Gaming rig! Phew.

If I want to run GIMP (yes I'm cheap) I use the tool designed for that.

[Hissyspit]

15. "We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out." -- Decca Recording Co.

rejecting The Beatles.

[tridim]

33. Wow, did you just compare The Beatles to an iPad?

I think the universe just ripped itself in half.

[Hissyspit]

48. No.

I didn't. I was comparing his reaction.

Any curmudgeonly "this will never get off the ground because it doesn't match my habitual mindset" "famous last words" quote would do.

"The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon". -- Sir John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon-Extraordinary to Queen Victoria 1873.

"So we went to Atari and said, 'Hey, we've got this amazing thing, even built with some of your parts, and what do you think about funding us? Or we'll give it to you. We just want to do it. Pay our salary, we'll come work for you.' And they said, 'No.' So then we went to Hewlett-Packard, and they said, 'Hey, we don't need you. You haven't got through college yet.'" -- Apple Computer Inc. founder Steve Jobs on attempts to get Atari and H-P interested in his and Steve Wozniak's personal computer.

[alfredo]

103. Couldn't you say the same thing about netbooks?

The design and the excellent UI over a UNIX core makes it a winner in my book.

Laugh if you want, but it has shaken up the portable computing world. Whether it ends up being a success or failure, it has pushed the technology, forcing others to innovate just to keep up. Apple keep pushing the envelope, and that is what our electronics/information industry needs.

We don't want a conservative tech sector. We want someone making life really difficult for the R&D guys world wide. We need visionaries not bean counters.

Think of all the industries Apple has affected? BTW, where would the music industry be without the iTunes music store?

[AspenRose]

4. That Wal-Mart is selling them makes my stomach turn a little.

[the redcoat]

6. Wow, great. more money, less computing power.

But as long as it looks good, right?

A prime example of the mentally manipulative effects of good marketing.

[onehandle]

10. Ease of use, reliability, and doing quickly exactly what they want.

That's what people desire.

I don't own an iPad. I need more 'computing power.' However, most people don't.

[Hissyspit]

12. Not the issue.

First, it is first generation. It will be improved. This kind of success with a first generation product is very impressive. Second, it is about the movement toward mobility and simplicity, as much as other things.

[xchrom]

7. love the ipad. -- it's amazing. nt

[Ezlivin]

9. Us and Them

By "Us" I mean those who have been using desktop computers for more than two or three decades. I started with 1K of RAM and now use a machine with 14GB of RAM. I started with a B/W television screen as a monitor and now I'm using a full-color 30" HD LCD screen. For folks like me a "computer" will always conjure up images of the box sitting under/on the desk.

By "Them" I mean those who were raised in a world where computers were already ubiquitous. To them a computer can take any form and the only limitation is the applications available for it. RAM, disk space, processor speed—those are just numbers to them. They don't need bragging rights over ever-increasing (or decreasing) specifications.

I've looked at the iPad and it's interesting, but it's hard for me to envision using it as I would my full-sized computer. I can't imagine using Photoshop and Aperture on an iPad; perhaps that will always remain the domain of desktop computers until, ahem, the specifications on the tablet computer change.

[Hissyspit]

13. Making Art from Live Model on iPad

Brushes application:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OLP4nbAVA4

[tridim]

14. I wonder how the iPad handles power-user keyboard shortcuts?

If you have to pull up the virtual keyboard for each keyboard shortcut it would completely defeat the purpose.

[Hissyspit]

17. Many of the button commands are the same as on the iPhone.

You just get used to doing it a different - often simpler - way.

[onehandle]

24. This is what naysayers don't get. It's a different way... approach to computing.

It's something we have never seen before and it is changing the way we interact with technology.

[tridim]

27. Keyboard shortcuts are STANDARDIZED.

Even Apple knows that.

[Hissyspit]

49. Touch screens are different.

You just get used to it.

I use keyboard commands on my PowerBook, but not on my iPhone.

It's not a big deal.

[Egnever]

30. LOL

No its people who demand more from their machine laughing at people trying to equate an ipad to a computer. Its not the limitations are real.

Just because you dont do anything that demands simple things like usb ports doesnt mean there is no use for them or that a machine without them is somehow on par with one that has them and other things like expandable memory and true multitasking.

For the people whose needs are little more than email or web surfing theres nothing reallly wrong with them but pretending its a computer replacement is laugh out loud funny.

[tridim]

26. How do you do a Shift-Alt-left click?

[Touchdown]

35. You touch and hold.

You put your finger on directly what you want to manipulate.

[onehandle]

36. That sounds complicated.

Oh, wait. Just the opposite.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. It is NOT designed for either

Or for that matter for the kind of games hubby plays online.

That said I already owned an art app that also works on this. Oh and PDF processing much easier on the eyes.

We've entered a new era where machines will be bought by needs.

Heavy media production, don't think so. Light word processing, web browsing, 90% of users do this, fine.

[Egnever]

16. Unless they actually make them workable

for more than just web surfing, email reading and picture framing. The success will be short lived. There is no doubt there is a huge desire out there for a smaller product but the competition is ramping up and they will deliver cheaper better alternatives.

lots bought them and realized fairly quickly how limited they actually are.

[Hissyspit]

21. I imagine the improvement curve will be similar to the iPhone.

As well as the innovation competition curve. But it is rather silly to knee-jerk laugh at them.

[onehandle]

22. Your last sentence doesn't match reality. Please support this assertion. nt

[Egnever]

25. no usb port

is a glaring limitation no memory expandability is another...no true multitasking.... it goes on and on.

[onehandle]

28. You didn't answer my question. And don't bother.

Your response tells me all I need to know about your personal opinion.

[Egnever]

32. That theres more to computers than a pretty screen?

You are funny.

If you think they are the greatest thing since sliced bread more power to you but theres a lot of us out here that use our computers for much more than entertainment presentation, and even that it doesnt do well unless of course all you do is buy entertainment from Itunes.

Or maybe you can tell me how you would go about importing a dvd or pictures from your camera.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. It takes work, not as straight as putting an SD card in

But you can use email right?

And I am sure yiu can attach files, right?

If the AVERAGE user can figure this out, I am sure you can too.

And this is NOT a power machine. Neither is my lappie.

Look I agree with you, they're limited. But, if you want a power machine stick to desktop.

Bumb back, try to bring desk top to bed. Please do try..

[Egnever]

42. The point is calling them a pc is ludicrous

they dont come close. They are media presentation machines and even there they fall short. If you think emailing yourself coppies of your photos is an acceptable solution well....All I can say is I dont agree. It would work but would also be a huge pain in the behind. What about when you have more than one photo?

I can understand the desire to have a smaller device but we arent there yet when it come to functionality with the IPAD.

Google slates however are coming out that are rumored to have a lot of these limitations lifted we shall see how they pan out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. They are not main machines

And the manufacturer has never claimed such.

Hey I've met people who do not think Macbooks are PCs and technically, due to OS they are not.

But I buy things for needs, and this is the best way to process an SL of PDF files I have found. The android device failed when the sd card failed within 72 hours of unboxing. This comes down to the we hate apple category.

Oh and most users for this device don't load an sl of photos. But hey you can attach a zip file too.

[Egnever]

55. sorry the OP claims them as number one pc maker

That is equating them to PC's. My point is they dont stack up.

of course most users dont load a lot of photos its prohibitive. I am happy it works for you. It would not for me. So till something better comes along I'll stick to a laptop for my mobile needs.

[nadinbrzezinski]

57. Whatever

That is the headline writer. And no apple product will be a PC...by definition.

Does not fit needs don't get one. Yes, it is that simple.

[Egnever]

60. wow captain obvious

feeling a little defensive about that purchase?

I never said it was the manufacturerer i was replying to the OP. You are the one who chose to jump in and tell me all about how greaT THE ipad despite the fact it cant do any of the things i listed which for many is a deal breaker.

Agaqin happy you like yours I think? The more you try to justify it the more I wonder. But pretending its a fully functional computer replacement is a joke.

Yup get one or dont its all in your hands....:eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

63. No, not at all

Tired of the OS wars. Them are stoopid!

And now they've spread to the hardware wars. We got better things to do.

And nobodynis pretending it is a full function computer, 'xept you.

Fully aware of limitations... Did not buy it to replace a pc. Having issues with that?
But to process an Sl of PDF files. That it does far better than my pc, or my MacBook.

Is that an issue fer you?

Oh and as a book reader, again works well for THAT! Is that an issue too.

[Egnever]

70. my issue is with the idea they should be equated to computer sales

they are not computers they are glorified displays for whatever apple thinks its apropriate for you to display,
and again even there they fall short.

If it works for you great... it would not for me as I do more with my computer than just look at stuff. Macbook or laptop either one runs circles around these things and putting them into the same category is disingenous and thats my problem not what toy you chose to buy. I couldnt care less what you buy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

73. Take that to the media

Apple don't sell them as such. Why their discount to dod is limited to computers...

[Statistical]

68. It depends on who's definition you are using.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer

In my opinion a "Mac" is a Personal Computer which is capable of running the the Apple OS.

Given that Macs can run Linux and/or Windows and people have been able to run Apple OS on "PC" hardware the line has been blended somewhat.

[nadinbrzezinski]

72. I am pointing to the extreme and you know that

I know what the MacBook can do. What we are seeing though is an environment where truly caveat emptor, but to scream every time.

Yes the Iphone is a computer, and so is the IPad using generic definitions.

This is the OS wars now spreading to hardware.

Oh and here is how much Apple does not consider this sucker a computer. Their military discounts are limited to computers. Why I bough this at the PX.

[Hissyspit]

44. Someone's making something that adds USB functionality, I believe.

Also, it will have a USB eventually.

[Egnever]

47. its more than just that

But i have no doubt that eventually they will have these things. If they want to really make them functional.

[Hissyspit]

54. I know that it's more than that. That's why I don't have one.

It really does not fit into a niche between my PowerbookPro and my iPhone for ME right now.

But some of my academic colleagues are doing amazing things with them and that will only improve. I know a doctor who runs most of activity out of his iPhone and iPad.

[nadinbrzezinski]

56. Good reader on the IPAD is just amazing

Yes academic work here, and bad back.

[Egnever]

58. I have no argument with that

My argument is with the idea that these things are on a par with PC's or laptops. They most definitely are not and leading people to believe they are will only lead to dissapointemnt.

[nadinbrzezinski]

122. The company don't claim that

But go on.

[Touchdown]

125. The only people claiming they are are iPad haters like you.

Nobody who has one or Apple themselves has ever made that claim.

You only wish they do, because the comparison is the only way you can get away with knocking it.

[Touchdown]

123. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

USB can be had with a dongle. Multitasking is an update next month, as was demonstrated last month. Expandability with flash drives is also coming in IOS 4.2.

Your objections are so February.

[earth mom]

23. Sorry haters, but the ipad is on my xmas list.

:evilgrin:

[leveymg]

29. They still haven't made what I really want: a 4G phone with a foldout full-size keyboard and screen

Something small enough to fit in a jacket or cargo pants pocket with a keyboard and screen big enough to be usable as a laptop. Like a small netbook that folds up, but with a phone built into it. A single, integrated, full-function messaging and computing device.

It would need enough memory and speed for the usual biz apps, quick web browsing and for running video and audio applications. It would be great if it projected the screen and/or keyboard onto a wall and tabletop or any available flat surface, along with a voice recognition and languages translation interface (voice and text), which would allow it to be even further miniaturized and be usable as a carry-along pocket translator for foreign trips.

It would be nice if it had a hard-shell and water-resistant rugged enough so I didn't have to worry about crushing it or getting it wet.

Am I asking too much?

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Not Apple

But I've seen that in concept in putter mags

[leveymg]

46. They already make all the components - nobody's pulled it together, yet

But, that would be useful. Something I could carry in a pocket while abroad and use on voice interface, or fold out and use anywhere for text or video.

The device could be really small with a projector keyboard and screen:

[Egnever]

45. hmm if they added 4g to this

I think it would be what you are looking for... sort of.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009/11/roll-up-notebook-looks-more-like-a-mini-yoga-mat-than-computer.php

[leveymg]

51. The scroll design looks very Alexandria Library, 100 AD or Star Wars light sabre.

The future may actually be worth waiting for. Throw in a flying, plug-in electric Formula One car, and we may have a deal!

A projector screen would still be useful.

[Hissyspit]

61. If the iPad rolled up like that

people would still be mocking and trashing it. :-)

[leveymg]

65. I like it. Extremely future-retro.

The end caps could house the pull-out projectors. Keep the computer rolled up in your jacket pocket while you use it in voice mode. Or, just pull out the bluetooth caps, as needed, for projector keyboard and screen. It would be great if there were some real depth of field and visual clarity, so you could project full wall-size images. You could get rid of your TV, too.

Yes, I like the scroll a lot. Make it furl up small enough, and it could be a magic wand.

[Egnever]

71. Of course

Apples business model sucks ass. Over charging and limiting peoples usage will always be mockable. Especialy while claiming greatness.

When they stop trying to tell me what i can and cant do with their device or trying to tell me I will stop mocking them. Of course they would also need to stop overcharging.

[leveymg]

77. The problem is, you buy an Apple & they want a monopoly on apps and content.

There should be a legal requirement that all devices run all standard apps, content, and formats. Until then, the manufacturer of any device that decodes, translates, and runs the most content of the others will get my business.

Apple, MS and Google/Droid are trying to get the consumer to buy into the same provider-dependent business model. Forget it - I won't purchase such a limiting, revenue-generating device. If I wanted a pay phone or jukebox that I need to constantly feed quarters, I'd buy one. I'll pay for content, but won't support would-be monopolists.

[cliffordu]

161. JAILBREAK!!

[Greyhound]

31. K&R, but only in America could a company that doesn't make a single computer be

the #1 PC maker.

Outsourcing our nation 10,000 jobs at a time.

[onehandle]

34. I hate that too. No computers are made here.

They should buy several hundred acres of abandoned manufacturing land in America and build everything here.

If anyone could afford it, it would be Apple.

[Greyhound]

40. No computers, no components, no peripherals, etc.

Apple, HP, Dell, etc. could all afford to do that, easily.

[Touchdown]

50. I've had mine since the 3Gs came out. I use it every day.

I edit photos, watch ABC TV shows (Hulu charges a monthly fee), play this addictive game called Galcon Fusion, watch movies either downloaded or streamed from my Mac over 3G with Zumocast, read books from Amazon, B&N, Stanza or iBooks. And I Yahoo chat on it. My typing on the virtual KB has gotten pretty fast on it. If I didn't already have an iPod, I'd use it for music too. I have bought albums to download on 3G with it though.

iPad will be much more capable when IOS 4.2 comes out next month. USB and SD card inputs can be had with 2 little "Camera Kit" dongles for $29.

The photo editors are specialized, and I need to have separate ones to do partially what Photoshop can do, but few Photoshop owners ever use more than 10% of what that program is really capable of.... and Photoshop (Even Elements) will be a slow dog on a slow reacting netbook with a full blown OS anyhow. But... I'm a good enough photographer that I don't need photoshop and all it's power to make my shots presentable. They come out of the camera that way.

My really big complaint is the fingerprints on the screen... especially if I just had Popeye's Chicken. I have to carry around a micro fiber cloth to wipe the screen periodically.:hi:

I like it.

I have 8 of the more popular photo editors. Some work better than others.
I recommend...
Photogene... basic cropping, color correction, and filters. Compare it to iPhoto.
Colorsplash... specialized to bring out a highlight using color on a B&W edit.
TiltShiftGenerator... Turns the photo into a single point focus shot with vignetting. Kind of a silly little filter, but makes striking images, just the same.

About $15 for all 3 of those.

I do not recommend
Filterstorm- layout is not well thought out compared to Photogene. Color correction is squirly and inaccurate.
Masque- Expensive, and limited in what it can do.

I just wish they could come out with an HDR app soon.

[Statistical]

53. The Shiny is wearing off the iphone (adroid now outsells the iphone) it will wear off the ipad too.

Android phones provide more options, capabilities, and performance at a lower price and on an open platform.

This is why android is roaring past apple in phone space. In a year the same thing will be happening in the tablet space.

[Hissyspit]

59. There are advantages and disadvantages to both

and I don't know of anyone who didn't think that there would be a huge competition to occur. It was all predicted for the iPhone and for the iPad.

But I still prefer my iPhone 4 to any of the Androids. There are some things I wish it did and things I wish were better about the Androids. And, yes, price and habit are issues. Will people mock the Android tablet when it shows up? We'll see? Will it be "better" than the iPad or "worse?" What does that mean? Apple is not god and not perfect, but as usual, the Apple hate blurs the larger issues of change and innovation for some people (IMHO).

[Egnever]

62. I'll give the Iphone points for inovation

making it bigger... not so much

[frylock]

64. ditched my palm pre for an EVO the other day..

already super impressed with this device.

[nadinbrzezinski]

66. Tried a tablet, and until the q/a gets there

Apple got nothing to worry. Oh and the Samsung is expected to close 1000 quid.

Yes been following that.

[smiley_glad_hands]

80. Android doesn't support tablets yet. eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Then I imagined the one I used

As well as the upcoming Cruz, oh and the Galaxy...

I must say I got a good imagination, all the way to really sucky SD card.

[smiley_glad_hands]

91. Actually they don't, you should google it. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

93. I got a damned good imagination

Yep. I even imagined the marketplace.

Nice place by the way.

Google says they do not support them. That don't mean they don't exist.

[smiley_glad_hands]

95. You might be confused about the nature of "open source" software.

You being an apple fan and all makes that understandable.

Anyone, including cheap chinese hardware manufacturers, go to google's servers and download any version of Android they want and have any type of hardware they want to run it.

Google has stated, repeatedly, that no current version of Android is compatible with any screen size larger than 5" (iirc, might be 4.5"). Thus Android, to date, is not compatible with the tablet form factor.

That being said, Android 3.0, is compatible with larger screen sizes and due out this fall.

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. Of course those who make assumptions

1.- nice personal attack and broad brush

2.- it was precisely the nature of open source that attracted me but bad hardware is bad hardware. Any system that got a bad sd card that corrupts data in 72 hours is a problem.

By the way have run open office and linux distros for years.

Any other fucking broad brush?

Perhaps you don't get this but faulty hardware is faulty hardware...and talk about fan boys...

Talk about the usual pc vs apple os war taking a left turn at Mandriva.

[smiley_glad_hands]

100. Thats the point, this isn't an Android issue, its a cheap hardware issue. eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

101. Whatever

I never said it was the os, fer the record...can you read?

[smiley_glad_hands]

111. Your first post cited a bad experience with an android tablet........

[nadinbrzezinski]

112. Yes, it is a hardware issue

Is that difficult to understand?

I guess fanboys are fanboys are fanboys.

I could have exchanged it... Or bought something that usually works out of the box. Frankly I don't have time to geek out until I find hardware that works...no, not the screen or the os silly rabbit...but the sd card is part of it. Or they're different somehow?

[smiley_glad_hands]

127. Your problem is with the hardware and not Android as you previously stated.

Im not the fanboy here, lol.

[nadinbrzezinski]

144. Boy you are dam debse

Have a good fucking life!

[onehandle]

74. Yep. Apple innovates, others follow. Same as it ever was.

Meanwhile Apple's stock passed the $300 mark and they are on their way to becoming the most valuable company in the world.

:)

[smiley_glad_hands]

81. It was Xerox that invented the ui as we know it today, not apple. eom

[Touchdown]

83. And Xerox didn't know what to do with it.

Hence the innovation of making it useful.

[smiley_glad_hands]

92. And apple did? MS won that battle. eom

[Touchdown]

96. So Apple doesn't exist anymore?

What did MS win? They are a competitor that has enormous success with an OS that claims by far the largest installed base of users. That doesn't mean they won any "battle".

AT&T invented the laser beam in the 50s. Pioneer, in the 70s used that innovation to create a new home video format... The Laserdisc. Sony took Pioneer's idea, and adapted it for music, and called it the Compact Disc, then Toshiba took Pioneers idea of laserdisc and digitized the video, shrunk the size and created DVD, and so on. They are all innovations on the laser beam.

AT&T also created UNIX. Apple took it and made it useable to everyone who didn't have a 9 month training lesson on how to operate it.

[smiley_glad_hands]

98. MS won the pc wars.

MS made their software open to hardware manufacturers. They own the desktop and notebook market. Apple has like 5%.

Ironically, apple is following the same game plan with the ios. The so called "walled garden" as it relates to what hardware and software can be run on and by its ios operating system.

Same reason why it has taken so long, if ever, for a Verizon Iphone. Apple won't concede any control, neither hardware or software.

Something more "open" will always win out. People still like choices.

[Touchdown]

102. Oh. Ok. I didn't know there was a war going in between computer companies

Wars are usually only started by religious factions who don't have shit to do, like... You know... Live life.

[onehandle]

117. There is in the minds of those who live in the world of twenty years ago.

Meanwhile here in 2010, both Apple and Microsoft have progressed.

You and I live here in the 21st century.

Others. Not so much.

[smiley_glad_hands]

128. Oh please, to deny history is an embrace of stupidity. eom

[smiley_glad_hands]

129. Yes, the war is about market dominance, sorry for your misfortune. eom

[Touchdown]

139. What misfortune?

I buy what I like. As long as it's available and supported, I'll continue to buy it. I don't need to have what everybody else has in order to be a man.

[onehandle]

116. Yes. The UI defines both Apple and Microsoft.

Neither company has done anything since then.

LOL!

[krabigirl]

85. I have a droid phone and an iPad, love them both.

[krabigirl]

84. I love my iPad. I do use a wireless keyboard, though, for serious typing and using Pages.

And I still use my traditional laptop at home, for gaming, serious projects, downloading stuff etc. I do see, however, how some people could be perfectly happy with just the iPad. I just can't use it as a main computer without a wireless keyboard.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. I'm using the native keyboard

Slow but makes me think.

Might look into the keyboard depending on whether I can get used to this. Much faster than yesterday. Keep hitting that pesky n though.

[Romulox]

94. I'm doing my part! My 21" Imac is one of the best computers I've ever owned.

My wife and my mom both l-u-v the Ipads I purchased for them, too.

[PROchoiceGA]

107. I want one but can't afford it right now :( n/t

[Odin2005]

109. People are so fucking stupid. Why get that POS when a laptop would be better?

[nadinbrzezinski]

113. I'll give you a reason and lord knows I thought the same

You in college?


PDF processing... And mark up... Far better than anything I've used in the past.

The mind map map app, got the pad version of the one I use on my iPod.

Word processing, if you need ton do fiction, fine... Footnotes, not so much.

It is very much a niche product and right now I need to chose, bum back, cannot carry both. And on the sofa this works bettern than my Nettie, and I Luve that nettie.

But be aware of limitations.

[Odin2005]

120. I use one of those mini-laptops for college stuff.

Nice small thing that fits easily into my backpack.

[nadinbrzezinski]

121. I got one

On the couch, would not work as well. Mostly is hasn't in the past.

You asked I answered your question. I've been able to PDF my way through that more efficiently.

I see tech not as a moral thing but a personal needs thing. I mean all this crap is made by the same companies in China on contract to insert transnational here. OS and hardware wars are distractions.

[onehandle]

115. People are so FUCKING STUPID.

Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Fucking Fucking Fucking.

Just because I don't like it or get it, people are so Fucking Stupid.


Apple closed at $302.31 today.



ha ha....

[nadinbrzezinski]

118. Trust me with bad back I'd not be able to

Get any work done with even the nettie right now.

[Odin2005]

119. Go ahead, keep buying overpriced, overhyped hardware.

That is why Apple is at $300/share, good marketing. They have cornered the market on the hipsters.

[Touchdown]

124. I have and I did.

I will buy my next one with your credit card and really give you something to bitch about.

Apple Computer isn't dead. It's still exists and will for a very long time. I know that pisses you off to the point of killing small furry animals, but your just going to have to pick up the shattered pieces of your life and move on.

[nadinbrzezinski]

131. Actually you are correect

Why their marketing campaigns are studied in business, marketing and psychology departments. But fact is for some Folks it Is the only machine they own. Design factor and ease is the reason. My 80 year old uncle is a damn good example. I also considered one for my mother. That age set loves them.

They are also a good addition to people with disabilities.

At this point it is the big company syndrome at work here. Some folks just hate the new big wolf. Don't worry I fear google just as much if not more. What is this post, with the oddles of others telling them and what are they using with all the emails they are keeping?

At this point I gotta conclude some folks just have a chip on them shoulders, or just fear-envy of success. And yes success bread contempt. Oh and trust me my uncle is NOT a hipster. That pad was recommended to him by his son In law, and I dare say his son knows more about computers than you and I. Hell his former employer waa that other favorite bugaboo round these parts, Microsoft. You clan thank him for things like Microsoft Exchange.

You don't want one, we get it.

I gave you one use. I'm happy for you. Back to work with me.

[Romulox]

149. Which tablet PC is better deal?

:hi:

[Odin2005]

157. I think outside a very small group, they are overpriced, underpowered laptops...

...without a keyboard.

[Romulox]

148. Why would people pay $50 for a dust-buster, when you can get a 10 horse Shop Vac for the same?

:hi:

[Touchdown]

126. I remember the threads in Late January when it was revealed.

All the predictions and declarations of "EPIC FAIL" with people snickering about all the things it doesn't do based on specs and the software availability, and the "No USB, No Mac OS, No photoshop, yada, yada. It arrived and it was much faster than anybody could believe (based on specs), and there were more than 1000 iPad dedicated apps written just at launch. I have no idea how many are now, but it's got to be more than 5,000.

Then there were the shiny new pics of the "iPad Killers" that were bandied about. HP's Slate and Microsoft's Courier. In April, when the iPad was finally on the shelves, and instantly flew off of them, both the Slate and the Courier were killed... sent back to the drawing board for re-tooling. Within a week of HP buying Palm OS, the Slate with Windows 7 on it was cancelled. Now I'm hearing about a 7" Dell pad. I also hear that the Dell uses a mobile OS (probably a new Android version), like the iPad and it doesn't have "the full capabilities of a laptop... the horrors!"

Apple took a chance, hit gold, and I see their competitors as being smart enough to recognize it. Tablet computers with full sized OSes never took off more than a niche. This one, with a mobile OS, which will soon branch off to be more capable then the iPhone version, flew off the shelves. Those sales cannot be attributed solely to hype, marketing or fan boy worshipping.

[Lucian]

130. The iPad can't do what most standard laptops can do.

People are idiots.

And there's nothing more annoying than apple fanboys.

[onehandle]

133. The fanboy meme is over.

Moms, executives, teenagers, White House staffers, mobile workers, scientists, ...all sorts of people use iPads.

Like it or not, Apple is as mainstream as Sony, GE, and Nike.

The fanboy meme died on the day that Steve Jobs introduced the iMac in 1998.


But you go ahead and insult them. Enjoy.


Apple is currently trading at $306.57, up over $4 from yesterday.

[Lucian]

134. Whoop-dee-doo

It's at $306.57. :eyes:

Still doesn't diminish my argument that people are idiots.

[onehandle]

135. Maybe you and I are the fanboys. Part of the past, not the future.

They choose futuristic tablet computers and we stick with our traditional CPUs.

Pass the Metamucil, Gramps.

[Lucian]

140. Maybe we stick to traditional CPUs...

because they actually do something other than surf the web, check email, and read books.

You can get a really good laptop computer for the price of the most expensive iPad (~$850).

[nadinbrzezinski]

145. What you listed is what the average user does

If I want to power use there is the gaming screamer in the office.

I really don't need that to post on DU though.

[Lucian]

146. I couldn't justify spending an outrageous amount of money on something...

that can do so little. I like to get my money's worth.

And it bothers me to no end on how Apple lovers always try to rationalize their purchases. It's not me you're trying to convince. It's yourselves.

[nadinbrzezinski]

147. Actually nobody is trying to convince you

And that's the problem. OS wars and now hardware wars are distractions and stoopid.

Fact is the fanboy meme or the hipster meme is dead. I don't care what you do with that data.

Now if I need to do power use, again there is a screamer in the office. For email, it's enough, just as the somewhat less limited netbook.

You don't need to buy a thing, but the attacks and broad brushed are just that, attacks and broad brushes better left in the 20th century

And yes at this point, like Microsoft, it is envy/ fear.

[LanternWaste]

141. Some people like Coke. Others like Pepsi...

Some people like Coke. Others like Pepsi...

I imagine if there is something worse/more idiotic than fanboys, it would be little boys who can't understand the concept of personal preference.

[Romulox]

150. Laptops can't do many of the things desktops can do. People are MORONS!

The Ipad is the best for surfing the web or doing email from your couch or back-porch. It's not a laptop replacement. It's more the 21st century equivalent of the magazine.

Also remember that laptops are themselves desktop replacements that are subject to many of the same types of criticisms (specifically, that they have limited features as compared to desktops.) How many PCIe slots does your laptop have, por ejamplo? What? You're not an idiot, are you? :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

152. Bad back, on the couch as I type

Doctor's orders.

Nope could not do this with my pretty limited netbook. I know 'exactly what you mean.

Oh don't get me wrong, I love that netbook, and any serious word processing will be on the nettbook.

Desktop publishing, the power house in the office.

[Romulox]

153. I own a nice netbook. It's terrible to surf the web on.

For my business I own a Toshiba netbook with built in 3g that I purchased in May or so. Windows 7 pro. The performance of the netbook is also quite a bit worse for the basic tasks of web surfing and email. The Ipad is a solid state/instant on device, and my netbook, even with a nice WD solid state hard drive cannot compete in that respect. But the big issue is that my netbook just isn't as pleasant to surf with--the Ipad's touch screen, gestures, and orientation are all ideal for web-browsing. My netbook is a portable word processing machine, mostly.

The iPad is my wife's by-the-way. I'm more of a "power user" than she, and Apple's big draw to me is its superior music production facilities--something that the iPad doesn't really touch upon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

154. Consider max ram

I did that to run nook. It mares browsing a tad better. The AOL client though, let's not go there.

Oh and PDF work is better on the pad. I can actually copy paste.

I cannot do that with PDF readers on any pc or MacBook.

[Romulox]

155. 2gb is the max the intel board with handle, iirc (which I have.) The real dog is the Atom N450

And the Windows OS is simply too bloated for a netbook, imo. The pad really is the ultimate web-browser. Whether that's worth $500 to you or not, well... :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

156. Yep the processor sucks

Why I call mine a glorified word processor.

[Odin2005]

158. I use the internet and type on the same mini-laptop, why waste money on 2 seperate...

...devices? Maybe I'm just an anti-consumerist thrift-freak, but I don't need several different portable computers. I have my main desktop computer and I have my cheap mini-laptop. I have better uses for my money, like college tuition, books, and savings for a rainy day.

[TonyMontana]

132. What a nonsense article

Apple sucks.

[hunter]

138. It's Apple's computer and not my "personal computer" 'til it's jailbreaked.

If I can't run software or modify hardware as I see fit then it's not my personal computer.

[Swamp Rat]

143. If you have the skills, this is (somewhat) easily done.

I have designed a few hackintosh builds lately, but I may go ahead and get a new Mac Pro anyway. I priced the hardware and compared the parts to what I can get at newegg, and it comes out about the same (minus the Apple guarantee and my student discount). Mind you, I do not use the computer to play games, but instead use it for scientific analysis, and therefore need error checking memory, Xeon processors, and certain GPUs.

Over the years, the Apple guarantee program saved me from having to buy new computers twice.

[Swamp Rat]

142. Great! Now I can buy a good netbook for very cheap and install Ubuntu 10.10!

:bounce:

[Romulox]

151. Got a Magic Track Pad yesterday. Sitting next to my Magic Mouse. Gestures kick ass! nt

[cliffordu]

159. I love mine. It's what I write on now.

Keep shit in the cloud, via Elements and Dropbox, and I'm good....