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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:45 PM
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Did a bagel cost mom her baby?
Did a bagel cost mom her baby?


A woman in New Castle, Pa., says her newborn was taken away after she allegedly failed a drug test.

But she says she ate a poppy-seed bagel before she gave birth, and that's why her drug test was flagged. It showed opiates.

The ACLU is working on a civil lawsuit to file on the mom's behalf.

A Pennsylvania TV station says child welfare workers came to the woman's home three days after she gave birth and took the baby away. Mom and child have since been reunited.

A law in Pennsylvania allows hospitals to test moms' blood to protect newborns.

The ACLU says the hospital went too far.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/hottopics/detail?entry_id=74579#ixzz12MduYslx
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:47 PM
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1. Yes, poppy seed bagels will sometimes give a false-positive
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:49 PM
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2. ...when giving birth...
:eyes:
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:51 PM
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3. When a blood sample is taken.
Which often happens when a woman is admitted to the hospital to have a baby.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:53 PM
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5. ...and...?
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uncommon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 05:45 AM
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24. And your posts aren't making any sense.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:11 PM
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9. Yes, IF vast numbers of them are eaten just prior to the testing.
I pretty much guarantee this was no false positive.
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Control-Z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:05 PM
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20. How?
How can you guarantee it was not a false positive? Do you know the woman?
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:20 PM
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22. The circumstances under which poppy seeds can show a false positive...
are pretty damned astronomical.

Dig deep into any of the anecdotes on this thread where people are claiming individuals were fired due to false positives from poppy seeds, and you will find a bunch of bullshit stories where people are just trying to conceal their drug use.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:52 PM
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4. I know bus drivers who will never eat a poppy seed bagel. They are subject to random drug tests and
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 02:53 PM by BrklynLiberal
have been told that poppy seed bagels can lead to false positives.

actually they have a list of things that can give false positives and are told to avoid them.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:31 PM
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14. I know a cop that this happened to -- poppy seed muffins!
Doesn't need a vast quantity. 2 or 3 a week (they sold them at the concession stand at the civic center where he worked) we would get an orange/poppyseed muffin then he took his test & tested pos for opiates.

No big drama -- they asked about it, let him retake it and it was clean. Absolutely NOT a drug guy at all and he tested dirty!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:54 PM
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6. snopes says it is true. Poppy seeds can lead to false positives
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 02:55 PM by BrklynLiberal
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beforeyoureyes Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:13 PM
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12. It is definitely true. I know someone refused a job because of a false/positive poppy seed result

After searching for months....

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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 02:55 PM
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7. How does testing a post-partum woman's blood help a newborn?
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 02:56 PM by Iris
I don't get it. :shrug:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:10 PM
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8. Even if a mother is doing drugs...
...it doesn't mean that her baby is an imminent danger & that her baby should be taken away without a trial.
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get the red out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:54 PM
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17. AGREE
It's like seeing how they can jerk people's babies away. Maybe they have a quota and the blood test is like a speed trap on the road? Sick stuff, it makes a woman at the total mercy of medical care and law enforcement without suspicion or warrant just because she is pregnant.
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beforeyoureyes Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:12 PM
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10. Horrible. Absolutely horrible.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:12 PM
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11. & sell the baby to cover the state budget deficit?
Ok, I made that up. But are not social workers supposed to work a *little bit* harder on cases than this?
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:28 PM
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13. I'm in DE and I had to be drug tested after I gave birth to my son
I fell and went into early labor, spent a week in the hospital on Mag sulfate to stop contractions. They sent me home on a Thursday night. Friday morning at 6:30am I went into labor and delivered at 9:30. It was my 2nd child, labor was fast, but the nurses said it was 'precipitous' and I needed to have drug testing done. My doc apologized, but said it was the hospital policy. It still pisses me off and my son is 10yo now.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:45 PM
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15. I would have told the doc to fuck off...policy or no, you want a drug test get a fucking warrant..
...and a damned good lawyer...

No wonder you are still pissed off about it...how DARE they?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 03:54 PM
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16. Precisely
Hospital Policy is not the law.
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CBR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:23 PM
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23. In New Castle County? At Christiana? I am currently making a decision where to give birth.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 04:23 PM by CBR
I am wondering if St. Francis or The Birth Center would do the same?

Thanks for any input!
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sadbear Donating Member (799 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:01 PM
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18. They tested this on MythBusters
It's True.
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ThomasQED Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:02 PM
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19. Is she named Elaine?
And how could this thread have gotten this far without someone asking that question??
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 04:05 PM
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21. 5% of all drug tests yield false positives
I know more than one person (and I know them well enough to know they are NOT drug users) who have had false positive drug tests.

Drug tests are not even close to infallible.
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