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The Northerner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:34 PM
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Judge disses Dems' 'Alice in Wonderland' health defense
A federal judge in Florida on Thursday said he will allow some of the lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of the health care law to proceed — and criticized Democrats for making an “Alice in Wonderland” argument to defend the law.

U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson allowed two major counts to proceed: the states’ challenge to the controversial requirement that nearly all Americans buy insurance and a required expansion of the Medicaid program.

In his ruling, Vinson criticized Democrats for seeking to have it both ways when it comes to defending the mandate to buy insurance. During the legislative debate, Republicans chastised the proposal as a new tax on the middle class. Obama defended the payment as a penalty and not a tax, but the Justice Department has argued that legally, it’s a tax.

“Congress should not be permitted to secure and cast politically difficult votes on controversial legislation by deliberately calling something one thing, after which the defenders of that legislation take an “Alice-in-Wonderland” tack and argue in court that Congress really meant something else entirely, thereby circumventing the safeguard that exists to keep their broad power in check,” he wrote.

Vinson ruled that it’s a penalty, not a tax, and must be defended under the Commerce Clause and not Congress’s taxing authority.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43626.html#ixzz12NKWsGm5

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:42 PM
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1. At least the judge sounds as if he's got two brain cells to rub together...
unlike some of the Supremes.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:44 PM
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2. Not surprised the judge didn't go for this.
The lawsuit will still fail since the mandate is a legitimate use of the commerce clause, but that was a pretty strange argument for the DOJ to make.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:50 PM
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5. I don't believe it's a legitimate use of the commerce clause and I don't believe the DOJ believes
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 06:33 PM by Uncle Joe
it either, that's why they tried to argue it as being a tax.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:47 PM
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3. A Reagan appointee showing his conservative roots.
I wonder if the pubs had done this he'd have ruled differently.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:48 PM
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4. sounds like one of the damned activist judges to me...where the right's uproar?
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PROchoiceGA Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:11 PM
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6. This will end up at the Supreme court... n/t
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:31 PM
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7. And you know who they are. A pile of Constitutionalists.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:35 PM
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8. Dang, who knew that the Congress would lie and dissemble about what they were doing? nt
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:53 PM
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9. If they would have gone for and passed Single Payer, Universal Health Care,
It would have been a done deal and we would have joined the rest of the civilized nations in caring for their own people.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:39 PM
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11. Except single payer is a mandate squared.
Cubed. To the umpteenth power.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:52 PM
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12. Why would we do something like that, we're Americuns.
Hell, we don't do anything the way other countries do it.
That's whut makes us better than anyone else.
Shit, we lie to start wars, and then look the other way later on and don't even prosecute the fuckers who started those wars.

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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:53 PM
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10. Good news, and this case is definitely not the slam dunk..
proponents of the mandate would like people to believe it is.
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