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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:55 PM
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Reactions to Obama administration's continued defense of DADT
From Log Cabin Republicans:

Christian Berle, Deputy Executive Director of Log Cabin Republicans: "After years of fighting this lawsuit, Log Cabin Republicans expected that the Obama administration would continue to pull out all the stops to defend 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell,'" said Christian Berle, Deputy Executive Director of Log Cabin Republicans. "Log Cabin Republicans will continue to advocate on behalf of the American servicemembers who everyday sacrifice in defense of our nation and our Constitution. If this stay is granted, justice will be delayed, but it will not be denied. Meanwhile, we urge Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to do what it takes in the lame duck session to end 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' legislatively. If Senator Reid treats the minority party fairly, the votes will be there to end 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' once and for all."

Dan Woods, White & Case: "We are not surprised by the government's action, as it repeats the broken promises and empty words from President Obama avowing to end 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' while at the same directing his Justice Department to defend this unconstitutional policy," said Dan Woods, White & Case partner who is representing the Log Cabin Republicans in Log Cabin Republicans vs United States of America. "Now that the government has filed a request for a stay, we will oppose it vigorously because brave, patriotic homosexuals are serving in our Armed Forces to fight for all of our constitutional rights while the government is denying them theirs."

SU's Alex Nicholson:

"This request from the Obama administration asking Judge Phillips to stay her own injunction was expected, but it is nevertheless disappointing in light of the president's claim that 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' harms national security and impairs military readiness." said Alexander Nicholson, Executive Director of Servicemembers United and the sole named veteran plaintiff in the case along with the Log Cabin Republicans. "As Americans, we all hope that our Commander-in-Chief will fiercely advocate for the immediate elimination anything that stands in the way of national security and military readiness."

Servicemembers United also responded to the Pentagon's announcement today that it would comply with the court's injunction while it was in effect. Nicholson: "We would expect nothing less than the Pentagon to comply with the injunction. It would undermine our system of government if executive departments started openly defying our courts and their orders. The Defense Department is in the business of protecting and defending our system of government, not undermining it, so we are of course pleased that the Pentagon is complying with this injunction."

SLDN's Aubrey Sarvis:

“We are disappointed but not surprised to learn the Department of Justice appealed the decision by Judge Phillips and asked that the injunction not be enforced for now. Judge Phillips will need to decide if the injunction stopping the investigations and discharges is on hold. The earlier decision by the Staff Judge Advocate Generals from the Military Services to abide by the terms in the court's order barring the military from investigating or discharging service members was an extraordinarily positive development. Until that changes, we are monitoring active-duty clients and fielding calls to our hotline.

“It is clear there is confusion and this interim period is dangerous for service members. Our service members need finality. The President needs to deliver on his promise to end the law this year. Given the uncertainty in the courts, we urge the Senate to act swiftly next month on repeal when they return to Washington. Congress made this law over 17 years ago and Congress now has an affirmative responsibility to bring clarity and finality to ending this law.

“We need to put the safety and well being of gay and lesbian service members first. Service members continue to remain vulnerable under DADT. We have clients under investigation and facing discharge right now. We’ll be monitoring each case over the coming days.”

GetEQUAL's Robin McGehee:

“Today’s appeal by President Obama’s Department of Justice is not only indefensible -- it is yet another shocking lack of leadership from the White House on issues of equality for the LGBT community. Regardless of the White House’s claim that they had no choice in this matter, the fact is that there was no reason they had to move forward with appealing this decision today. For them to do so, particularly in the same week they also announced their appeal of the Defense of Marriage Act ruling that also found a section of that law unconstitutional, adds insult to injury for the relationship between President Obama and the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community.

Yet again, we are faced with action by this Administration that stands in stark contrast to the campaign rhetoric and lofty speeches about equality that continue to be served up as progress to our community. We’d like to say we’re still hoping in the change promised to us two years ago, but that hope is fading away quickly -- particularly when the lives and livelihoods of our brothers and sisters are on the line.”

http://gay.americablog.com/2010/10/reactions-to-obama-administrations.html
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 05:56 PM
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1. Reccing before the apologists and armchair constitutional scholars get here!
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:01 PM
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2. threw my rec in there as well
:hi:
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:07 PM
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6. fierce advocates will arrive shortly n/t
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:36 PM
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23. I'll save them the trouble: You never loved him anyway! Pony! Bitter much? Magic wand!
Did I miss any?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:03 PM
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3. It does seem like a "shocking lack of leadership from the White House"...
Is there NOTHING this WH will go to the mat for? Not the public option. Not a sane energy/climate policy. Not rights for all citizens.

What IS important enough for them to put their muscle where their mouths are?
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:13 PM
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10. Wall Street... Goldman Sachs owns this admin!
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:20 PM
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13. Wish I could argue with that! nt
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:13 PM
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11. Take their televisions away
I'm convinced that they have bought into the beltway media line that the Democrats are doomed and that the only way Obama can regain any public support is by acting like a republican.

They will not stand up for anything because they believe the public thinks their positions are wrong. And they are sure of this because they heard chris matthews david gregory and wolf blitzer tell them so.

In reality the public is way beyond them. Nobody cares what some elite beltway pundits think anymore if indeed they ever did. Well maybe there are some idiots who suck up every word they hear on fox but they are a tiny minority. Most voters are smarter than that.

This administration has fallen into the trap set for them by the media elite and backed away from widely popular positions. I feel badly about it but we can't do anything about it. They don't care what we think.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:27 PM
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15. Hmm, that's an interesting take on it...
But the WH must get tons of emails, calls and letters from people who support progressive policies - and they must've read the polls that showed 60-70% of citizens wanted the public option. Most Americans support the repeal of DADT too, and those polls are all over TV.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 08:41 PM
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20. A ""shocking lack of leadership" is Obama's "lifestyle choice"
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:06 PM
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4. We get tweets about his wanting to repeal it on "his watch"
But actions to the contrary within days.

Did you watch Rachel Maddow last night? She said it far better about this whole sad process then I ever could. Including the 2 brave servicemembers who talked about DADT.
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Smashcut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:07 PM
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5. K/R
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:07 PM
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7. The Log Cabin Republicans make the most disingenuous argument I've heard in a long, long time.
This is the group that's still willing to work with Paladino ('cause you KNOW he didn't really mean it).

I've come to realize that Gay, Black and other minority Republicans are nothing but bottom-feeding opportunists. They just want whatever scraps thrown their way for being complicit in the oppression of their own. Some of them have done very well for themselves.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:09 PM
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8. From the LCR statement:
"If Senator Reid treats the minority party fairly, the votes will be there to end 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' once and for all."

That is an odd thing to say if they're wanting the law repealed. If he was trying to say the Democrats haven't played fair with the repukes....well LOL.

Don't worry Bluebear, it will get done the legal way, a congressional repeal of the law. Anything else would put the lgbt service members in jeopardy of having it reinstated. That would be terrible.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:11 PM
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9. What's terrible is people like Dan Choi losing their careers NOW needlessly
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:14 PM
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12. Yes it is terrible.
And the law has been in effect since 1993. This is the first time it has been taken on by an administration to permanently end DADT. Let it happen.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 08:40 PM
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19. All they had to do was refuse to appeal and the law is dead
Just as dead as if Congress repealed it. Deader, even, since there's a court order preventing another such law from ever being enacted.

An appeal of this ruling is fundamentally incompatible with a commitment to end DADT.

Fundamentally. Incompatible.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:24 PM
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14. WTF does the LCR mean about
"If Senator Reid treats the minority party fairly"?????

:wtf:

LOL is right! Is the LCR similarly going after John McCain, et. al for PREVENTING a simple UP-OR-DOWN vote???? We could've already had DADT (effectively) repealed had the Republicans been playing FAIR!!!

and yet, by some HERE, the LCR are heralded as some kind of "champions" for gay rights. :eyes: :puke: just :puke:
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 07:19 PM
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18. Wow. That is ridiculous. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:02 PM
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21. Heartbreaking, ain't it? LCR are leading on this issue.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 10:42 PM
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24. They may be "leading" in the courts (where is everybody else?)
Edited on Thu Oct-14-10 10:43 PM by Proud Liberal Dem
but they sure as heck aren't leading where they can REALLY make a difference- in Congress. Them getting their Republican brethren to allow an up-or-down vote on DADT a couple of weeks ago could've ended the debate right then and there. Apparently, though, they seem to care more about the fact that Reid hasn't been "fair" enough to their Republican brethren. I guess their *commitment* to gay rights ends wherever party loyalty begins- just like every other Republican out there. :eyes:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 06:38 PM
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16. In jeopardy of being reinstated
yeah well it's also in jeopardy of not being re-instated. I'm getting tired of hearing "this has to be dome the right way because something MIGHT happen if we don't. Yeah well it MIGHT NOT happen too, so why don't we just get it done any way possible and then work to defend it if needed. People are tired of fucking WAITING.
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Cleobulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 09:11 PM
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22. Congress cannot override judicial decisions, you fail at civics...
A congressional repeal can be overturned by a future congr!ess and president.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-10 07:16 PM
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17. K&R
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