The owner of the company I work for told us today that if Prop 19 passes, we're all getting tested

[cherokeeprogressive]

once every month and fired if found positive for marijuana.

And she smokes. How fucked up is that...

[DCKit]

1. She must be an (R) - Hypocrite. n/t

[county worker]

2. If it is legal she would have to fire you for another reason.

[cherokeeprogressive]

8. That's not the way I read it in the California Voter Guide. n/t

[Xicano]

29. Actually its the way I read it in my California Voter Guide.

Here's what I read:

From the first page: (link below)

• "Limits employers’ ability to address marijuana use to situations where job performance is actually impaired."

http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf/english/19-title-summ-analysis.pdf

[namahage]

12. For an "at-will" state like CA?

Hardly. Unless there was unlawful discrimination, the employer can terminate the employee for whatever reason--or no reason, just as an employee can quit without notice or justification.

Note that it needs to be unlawful discrimination. There are only a few categories which fall under "unlawful"--Title VII spells them out (race, color, religion, national origin, sex), as do the ADA and the ADEA (covering disability and age). Individual states might have additional state laws--CA, for instance, has specific labor laws that prohibit attempts to "control or direct" political affiliations. Think failing a drug test qualifies?

[Statistical]

33. Not true. Companies can place conditions for employment.

For example being overweight isn't illegal but a gymn could fire a personal trainer for being overweight.

There are companies right now that prohibit employees from smoking tobacco. It is rare but there are some.

http://www.smokinghurts.com/Smoke-FreeEmployers.htm

As long as it is done in a uniform manner it would be legal.

[virgogal]

They fire people in some places for smoking cigarettes. That's the way it is.

[villager]

3. There is a real, sudden panic over Prop. 19, erupting in the news today...

The elites must be scared that it's a harbinger of people seeing through their control mechanisms...

[Canuckistanian]

4. "Fuck you, I've got mine"

It's a fairly well documented trait of the American conservative mindset.

THAT'S how fucked up it is.

[DBoon]

9. "I own you"

is a fairly well documented trait in republican business owners as well

[Ruby the Liberal]

5. What do you do for a living?

If he sits behind a desk and you are an EMT, I can see that.

[Brickbat]

16. Why should one be tested and not the other?

[Ruby the Liberal]

25. Are you OK with a stoned EMT (for example) on call?

I could care less if a cube dweller, like myself, is stoned - but there are some professions where it is life or death.

Why I asked.

[B Calm]

28. I would rather they be stoned than drunk! Where is the outrage for alcohol?

[superduperfarleft]

36. Can you point to anywhere where someone has suggested that EMTs should be allowed to be "stoned" on

call? Anywhere?

Kthx.

[Brickbat]

37. A "cube dweller," eh? What is it exactly that you do?

I can think of good reasons that a banker, an editor, an insurance adjuster, a lawyer, a call-center representative, a medical biller, and an HR representative shouldn't be stoned on the job. They're the same reasons an EMT shouldn't be stoned on the job. Drug test required for one, required for all.

[Toots]

38. It has nothing at all with being stoned on the job

It is about testing positive and everyone knows marijuana stays in one's system for weeks after usage, yet the person is not stoned...It is like malaria, the bug stays in one's system for life but they don't have malaria..

[Brickbat]

39. Yeah, I know.

I'm just wondering why some people should be tested and others not.

[MadHound]

22. Are you going to fire an EMT for knocking back a few rounds the night before a shift?

That certainly isn't a firing offense now, so why should an EMT be fired for having a few tokes the night before a shift?

[Tempest]

23. One is legal, the other isn't

Prop 19 won't change the law as far as employment goes. That's what the pro-19 groups are trying to get across.

[B Calm]

41. Once upon a time alcohol was illegal too.

[Tempest]

6. Drug testing costs approx. $50 an employee at a lab

A lot more if lab workers are brought into the site.

And that doesn't include the cost of employees taking time away from work (if mandated for existing employees, you can demand it be done on company time).

I bet she'll back off once the costs to the company are calculated.

[Hawkeye-X]

14. Insist on on-site testing, and have everyone smoke a joint 5 minutes prior to testing

just to piss off the owner.

Hawkeye-X

[Statistical]

34. Strip tests are much cheaper.... less than a $1.

Most companies use strip test. If you hit positive then they you go to the lab for real test. If you refuse then you are fired.

Use a 2 layer test methodology can cut testing costs my 90% of more.

Still it likely is bluster. Most companies aren't going to pile on additional costs just to piss their employees off. Some will though. Some companies refuse to hire people who smoke tobacco.

[hobbit709]

7. I'd ask if she had cleared that with her legal department.

[Davis_X_Machina]

15. Not if they pay by the billable hour. It'd be bad management to spend...

...corporate money to ask a question to which the answer is quite definitely known in advance.

[hobbit709]

26. Not necessarily.

It depends on what the rules you were hired under are. I know someone where they wanted to drug test everyone but since the employee manual under which he and the old timers were hired had no mention of drug testing, the legal department said it wasn't legal. They could test new hires randomly but the old hires could only be tested under cause. and this is in TX, a notorious right to work state.

[ZombieHorde]

10. I would be surprised if she actually did it every month; those tests cost money. nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. As little as $0.38

http://www.medicaldisposables.us/home.php

[Tempest]

18. Those kits have a high failure/false positive rate

I know several people who have used them and had them show positive, only to pass a lab administered test.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. I think her idea is to use the strips to decide whether or not to take the test to the next level.

There are also tests that separate the sample so the same sample can be taken to the lab after showing a positive result.

Just over five bucks.

[Tempest]

21. You can easily beat those home kits

High doses of B12 and Niacin mixed with large quantities of water (60 ounces or more) taken within two hours of a test will dilute your urine enough to give a negative reading.

That's how I passed my last piss test.

[ZombieHorde]

19. I did not realize they were that cheep now.

$0.32 if you buy 1,000! That is only $320. Your boss may actually be that pissed off. I would start secretly looking for a new job.

[RainDog]

11. insist on a saliva test

because if cannabis is legal, there is no way you can be fired for having metabolites in your system.

your boss doesn't own you on your own time.

if she wants to drug test, she needs to use a test that demonstrates impairment.

your boss sounds like a piece of shit. I would look for work elsewhere because I doubt this is the only area in which she so bad.

[Odin2005]

24. In today's corporate fascist America companies think they DO own your own time.

They want us to be serfs of corporations.

[Hawkeye-X]

13. Tell him that you'll be hiring an attorney if you are tested

and will make it very painful for her.

(i.e., get everyone stoned and piss on the cup - if he follows on his word, then his business will collapse)

Hawkeye-X

[B Calm]

27. Just to fuck with her head, ask her if the test will show LSD.

[Le Taz Hot]

30. What about MM?

Wow! That is draconian.

[RedCloud]

31. off with her head!

[mitchum]

32. Happily take a piss test...as long as the receptacle is her fucking mouth

[pipi_k]

35. First....

how many employees are there?

I mean, are there enough to make a real difference if everyone said "fuck you" and sort of went on strike?


Second...would enough people be willing to stick their necks out that way in support of the rest of the employees?

[Buns_of_Fire]

40. Time for new glasses: I first read it as "we're all getting tased..." nt

[Initech]

42. That's bullshit.

[activa8tr]

43. Solution for you all.... have her arretsed the night before the election

or maybe tonight... on possession charges.

If she smokes, I bet the cops could raid her place tonight... and she will not get to vote.

Aside from that, she sounds like Meg Whitman, let's make her feel a few years in prison.