Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Who else thinks "Obamacare" is a perjorative term?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:34 PM
Original message
Who else thinks "Obamacare" is a perjorative term?
I believe the term originated with wingnuts who intended it to be synonymous with what they viewed as the flawed and expensive "socialist" healthcare plan pushed by the President and his party.

I've heard it used by supposedly objective commentators and I've read in posts on this board. I also heard it said several times with sarcastic and mocking emphasis last evening by Sharon Angle during the debate.

I don't think "we" should be using this term anymore than we should talk about the "Democrat" party.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
1. I Do
I was having a conversation with my right leaning father and he brought up "Obamacare" and I said, "I don't know what that is. Oh wait, are you referring to the recent health care reform passed by Congress with Republican amendments if not votes?"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
2. I agree with you. It's used pejoratively, just as Hillarycare was. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:42 PM
Response to Original message
3. Totally pejorative. It plays on the (totally rightwing) meme of "Obama the Messiah"
a title, ironically enough, given to Obama only by the rightwing - I never heard any liberal/democrat, here on DU or in real life - who ever said, "Gee, I think Obama is a/the Messiah!"

But the rightwing sure accused us of thinking it, which leads one to the only obvious conclusion that: the rightwing actually do consider their candidates (such as Shrubbie) to be messiahs, and so they project it on us as well. But since we have brains, and use them, and tend to actually be educated, we know that no human is good enough to be a Messiah, and so we might support someone as president (or other political position), but would never think of them as any kind of religious fulfillment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:47 PM
Response to Original message
4. of course it's perjorative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:48 PM
Response to Original message
5. It is definitely a perjorative.
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 09:49 PM by devilgrrl
Thank you for bringing it up.

:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
6. YES
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:51 PM
Response to Original message
7. pejorative
sorry, not the spelling police
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Atticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Duh!!! My bad---thanks! nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
8. Damn straight it is!
I question the motives of anyone on this board who refers to health care reform with that term.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
9. Of course it is.
All the right does is mock and ridicule. They're like children.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:00 PM
Response to Original message
11. embrace it....
....and use it to describe healthcare reform in the most glowing terms....

....the White House should even use it....we will simply de-wingnutify the term....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:03 PM
Response to Original message
12. I for one
am really tired of hearing political ads Demonizing "government run health care". Its so sad that people can only think of themselves, and never about anyone else.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
13. Well, "I Am Not A Witch" O'Donnell used it constantly during her debate. Whiny DUers use it, too.
Edited on Fri Oct-15-10 10:41 PM by ClarkUSA
What does that tell you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:15 PM
Response to Original message
14. Clearly, it's crafted to take the President's falling popularity
and tie it to the most convoluted piece of legislation that is his legacy, so far. Financial reform is difficult to understand, but most everybody finds some part of the HCR law distasteful, and it's a blanket way of tying that to Pres. Obama.

Unfortunately, it's likely to work. He did everything he could to twist this pretzel to completion, and frankly, he might have been better off with nothing at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. Sorry
I disagree with you. Obama started a change, change is never perfect but change does get refined as time goes by. So those who do not like the so called Obamacare you have little knowledge in management or leading a group of people. Why do they call this Obamacare when it was the Congress and the Senate especially the republicans who tore this apart to make it what it is today.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #19
31. Being as the Republicons voted against it as a bloc
it's pretty difficult to hang any part of the HCR bill on them, and they planned it that way.

The way this was crafted was quite ugly, and ran totally counter to the promises the President made to keep the process open and transparent. At the end, it was clear that he was willing to sign any piece of paper that said "Health Care Reform" on top of it, without regard to what was in it. That's what's sinking this President and his party, and that's what's going to produce the consequences we will see in the next couple of weeks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:21 PM
Response to Original message
15. I think it is
It was used repeatedly by the teabagger at a debate I just attended. It caused his supporter to go wild.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monique1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. Obamacare is meant to be
negative and dictatorial
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:51 PM
Response to Original message
16. I do.
It pisses me of whenever I hear it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CommonSensePLZ Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
18. I better get some before the tea party tries to repeal it
As they outsource jobs and bring back the good 'ole Bush politics.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:58 PM
Response to Original message
20. At the senate candidate debate on Monday,
Scott McAdams said that Obamacare could more accurately be described as Mitch McConnellcare, given the number of Republican amendments and compromises that were put into the bill. I thought that was quite clever and too true.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 10:58 PM
Response to Original message
21. Duh...
It's meant to be associated with "that socialist n*****r".
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:00 PM
Response to Original message
22. I think it is universally understood as a pejorative term. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:02 PM
Response to Original message
23. Definitely pejorative IMHO
I wince every time I hear it. :puke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:07 PM
Response to Original message
24. It won't be in five years
I know how much I like my subsidized insurance. I know how much I like my free preventive screenings. I am thrilled that they won't be able to boot me off of my insurance, or prevent me from getting new insurance, ever again. People are going to be much happier with "Obamacare" than our current mess. So even though it is pejorative, I say go with it so they can never forget a Dem President has pushed through every good social program there is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:46 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. I'll quite possibly be dead by then but...
...go you! Go Obama!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-10 11:44 PM
Response to Original message
25. Yes, that is how it is meant and used.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 12:18 AM
Response to Original message
27. It IS a pejorative. I don't think that's an opinion. I think that's a fact.
It means, I guess, a comparison to Medicare...a sort of universal care for all, where the taxpayers pay for the deadbeats' health care.

There is no such program or plan or bill or health care act. That doesn't exist.

So, no...it's not just a neutral description.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 04:19 PM
Response to Original message
28. Whenever I hear Obamacare, much like "the democrat party,"
I consider the person who uttered it a foe.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
murbley40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 04:36 PM
Response to Original message
29.  OBAMACARE PERJORATIVE?
I AGREE!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 04:38 PM
Response to Original message
30. Most definitely!
I really wish Thom Hartmann would refrain from using it. I agree with his stance on HCR, but picking up on a RW meme doesn't make things any better. :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:53 PM
Response to Original message
32. I do, without a doubt...
It is a right wing term and should be treated as such, imo.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
33. Yep.
But, nowhere near as sick as I am of the grossly people like to spout that term.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 04:26 PM
Response to Original message
34. It infers that Barrack Obama himself is hiding under your hospital bed.
Absolutely, it is a perjorative term, no matter what you have to say about the changes in the health care system.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 12:32 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC