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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 05:07 AM
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Will Sanity Be Restored and Fear Be Kept Alive?
"It's not meant to ridicule activism," Jon Stewart tells NPR, speaking of his planned rally on the National Mall. But you can see where someone might have gotten that impression. In the video of Stewart's announcement of the event, he rejects crazy right wing ideas and the idea that Bush allowed 9-11 to happen; he condemns right wing lunacy and the idea that Republicans oppose providing healthcare; he denounces lies and fascism plus daring to accuse war criminals of being war criminals. Stewart opposes activist messages and their messengers.

The problem seems to be, not so much accuracy as inappropriateness and volume. You should not shout anything or say "war criminal," but you especially should not shout "war criminal!"

Yet such a position cannot avoid the substance of the matter. Assuming that the United States, as is well documented, has been fighting illegal wars, imprisoning, torturing, and murdering, how "sane" can it be to reject any discussion of war criminals -- or, for that matter, to allow Tony Blair to come on your program and tell you the United Nations authorized the invasion of Iraq?

If our government is, uniquely among wealthy countries, denying people healthcare, shouldn't we talk about that? How "sane" can it be to always seek out the middle ground and believe whatever propositions lie halfway between advocacy for peace and justice and advocacy for glorified racist ignorance and corporatism?

Stewart rejects as insane the idea that Bush allowed 9-11 to happen, whether that idea is whispered or shouted. Yet Bush was warned of the possible attack and did nothing, after having refused to prioritize the matter and after having rejected opportunities to bring bin Laden to trial, which would not have pleased the Saudis.

Stewart claims that 70 to 80 percent of Americans reject all such facts as extremist, but polling doesn't back him up. However, most people do not participate in public demonstrations or engage in activism of any kind. There is indeed a majority out there willing to be praised for a lack of engagement. In his video, Stewart tells people that if they hesitate to come to a rally, they are exactly the sort of people he wants at his rally. The people he does not want are those who engage in real (as opposed to fake or comedy skit) activism.

The event's website reads:

"'I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!'
Who among us has not wanted to open their window and shout that at the top of their lungs?
Seriously, who?
Because we're looking for those people. We're looking for the people who think shouting is annoying, counterproductive, and terrible for your throat; who feel that the loudest voices shouldn't be the only ones that get heard; and who believe that the only time it's appropriate to draw a Hitler mustache on someone is when that person is actually Hitler. Or Charlie Chaplin in certain roles. Are you one of those people? Excellent. Then we’d like you to join us in Washington, DC on October 30 — a date of no significance whatsoever — at the Daily Show's 'Rally to Restore Sanity.'"


Get it? If you don't think the country or the world is in such dire straights that urgent and passionate advocacy is called for, if you reject the international scientific consensus on the dangers of environmental collapse, if you find nuclear energy and weaponry unconcerning, and if you believe the bankrupting of the nation to pay for illegal wars that slaughter human beings by the hundreds of thousands need not come to an immediate end, then you are "sane." You're not sane because you have the facts right. You're sane because you avoid facts that are too unpleasant.

"Ours is a rally for the people who've been too busy to go to rallies, who actually have lives and families and jobs (or are looking for jobs) — not so much the Silent Majority as the Busy Majority. If we had to sum up the political view of our participants in a single sentence… we couldn't. That's sort of the point."


Imagine how this sounds to people who, despite all the personal and financial hardships that are always involved, have engaged in activism for years on behalf of peace or justice rather than the promotion of a television program. Imagine how people feel who believe they have a moral duty to try to influence decisions that can mean life or death to millions of people. Imagine how active engaged Americans feel when they start seeing protesters with posters that mock themselves rather than actually protesting.

Now, it's not Jon Stewart's fault that the October 2nd One Nation Rally was a schizophrenic pep rally for Democrats / demand for the Democrats to completely change. But Stewart could have promoted the less subservient half of that event had he wanted to, rather than scheduling a rally less than a month later which some people would choose to go to instead.

Whether it's the tea partiers or the sane non-shouters (plus Stewart and his audience, both of whom always shout and scream, even when announcing a rally for non-shouters) public demonstrations have become something created by the corporate media, largely agenda free, lacking any strategy for social change, and devoted to the promotion of a particular celebrity or two. What good can come of this?

Well, the message could become one of huge opposition to Glenn Beck, even in the absence of clear support for something else. People could discover that they enjoy fake activism enough to try the real thing. Activist organizations could finally get it through their thick skulls that we cannot succeed without creating our own media, media large enough to announce and create rallies to restore such things as habeas corpus, the fourth amendment, or the U.N. Charter, rather than "sanity." People could choose to engage in less name-calling. Stewart could discover that his comedy doesn't work on the National Mall and get out of the fake activism business. His special guests could drop the fakeness and speak what needs to be spoken, just as Harry Belafonte did on October 2nd. Stephen Colbert could mock fearmongering warmongers in a way that opens someone's eyes, and Stewart could choose not to "balance" that performance with ridicule for peace activists.

Or everyone could learn that the coolest kind of activism is anti-activism. As far as I'm concerned that would keep fear alive. No joke.
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 06:00 AM
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1. Despite anything else, I've got to give Stewart props for....
...educating an entire generation about critical thinking, especially as related to the media.

This is an enourmous benefit to our country.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 06:12 AM
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2. I remember my very first rally. I went for one reason... to "see and be seen".
It was an anti-war rally in the 60's and I was a very young adult - uninformed and self-absorbed. I learned a lot about myself that day and about the world I was living in. It was a life-changing experience.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 06:38 AM
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3. Actually I intend to go, and I'm taking my granddaughter too.
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left is right Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:44 AM
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4. I am probably as old as you are if not older
but could I be your granddaughter for the day? You could pick me up in southern Indiana and maybe we could have ice cream on the way home?
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:40 AM
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5. Sad that comedians have to do the jobs serious politicians won't.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 08:42 AM
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6. or the M$M...
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:06 AM
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13. what job is that? having a pointless rally?
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:12 AM
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21. Nothing more pointless than restoring sanity.
:shrug:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 09:15 AM
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7. My entire family is going. I understand what you are saying, but the whole process
Edited on Sat Oct-16-10 09:16 AM by NC_Nurse
of elections in this country has become a joke and our media is a sad reflection of the inanity of political discourse in this country. I see this rally as a protest of that, not as a protest against activism. We only hear the most extreme voices because the media only care about ratings and their corporate masters like to keep us confused, or at least disillusioned enough to drop out of participating.

I, for one, plan on enjoying the company of people who are actually THINKING and not just reacting to every bullshit story on the news.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 07:15 PM
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8. right
people will enjoy what they impose on this rorschach test of an event and the company of comrades, but that doesn't add up to a strategic step to advance any social good
nor does it control what televisions will tell people the rally was for
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:02 AM
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11. That's right, it doesn't.
But sometimes people just want to have fun. That's what this is about, and it seems a good thing to me.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:25 PM
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22. Me & my #1 son will be there too...
I would love there to be a DU meet up
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-10 10:21 PM
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9. I Care Passionately
I do care passionately about the issues affecting our country. I have participated in political/activist rallies. I'm a big fan of Congressman Grayson (having donated to and volunteered for his campaign in 2008 and 2010).

And I am attending Jon Stewart's rally.

Let's face it, just as we laugh at the ridiculous tea baggers (even using that term itself) they must laugh at what they see as the crazy liberals. Or, just as we are outraged about being led into what we believe is a wrong war, they believe the war was just and we are wrong to criticize it. Can we step back for just a moment and consider that the average American, those in the mushy middle think both sides are nuts?

Stewart (and Colbert) use humor, satire and ridicule to bring attention to important issues. Because too many Americans would ignore the issues otherwise.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 03:04 AM
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10. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:05 AM
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12. knr
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:07 AM
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14. K&R
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:13 AM
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15. I think he basically disagrees with basically every single one of the assumptions you make.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-10 06:17 AM by BzaDem
For example, you say "assuming such and such," why wouldn't you call them a war criminal? But he isn't assuming such-and-such. Rather, he believes the opposite of your such-and-such.

"Assuming that the United States, as is well documented, has been fighting illegal wars, imprisoning, torturing, and murdering"

My guess is that Jon Stewart does not believe the wars are illegal, certainly does not believe imprisoning is illegal, does not believe what we did was torture, and does not believe that the deaths caused by our actions in our wars could be considered "murder" based on its legal definition. I'm simply guessing what he believes.

As for denouncing the people who think Bush caused 9/11 or let that happen, that is a good thing. These people should be denounced from the rooftops. And not just the volume should be denounced -- the content should be denounced, because the content is blatantly false. While discourse can and should vary widely, I think we can all agree that we would hope discourse remains truthful to the extent possible as much as possible (as opposed to the ravings of endless conspiracy theorists). Such blatenly false ravings poison political discourse, and turn people off from politics (at the exact moment we need more people tuned IN).

"Stewart claims that 70 to 80 percent of Americans reject all such facts as extremist"

I don't believe Stewart is saying that 70 to 80 percent reject facts as extremist -- he is saying that what you call facts aren't facts (and in some cases are the exact opposite of facts).
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freedom fighter jh Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 07:13 AM
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16. Of course discourse should remain truthful.
Do you have any basis for asserting that the idea that Bush let 9/11 happen is, as you say, blatantly false? Or do you just assert it?

I think we're all trying to get to the truth. Slamming someone else's perspective as "blatantly false" and "ravings" doesn't do much to advance the discussion. Seems to me the alleged violation of the law of conservation of energy (In other words, the official story -- that the airplanes brought down the towers -- could be true only if this law of physics took a vacation) makes the official 9/11 story blatantly false. That means the truth must be some other story. What is the true story? I don't know, but I don't think we'll find it by deriding people who speculate about it.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:00 AM
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19. yes
didn't mean to disagree with this
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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 06:03 PM
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17. I guess we'll just snicker our way into complacency.
How sad.
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Thornleylv Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:55 PM
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18. Almost agreed
You make some good points but the one thing I think you went too far on is the fact that Jon Stewart had tony blair on to say that the united nations oked the war. But that is just the thing I want, I want to hear from the other side or with a different view. Right or wrong the fact that first they would come on a Progressive show and speak their mind and second that they were invited is why he is fair. Unlike some shows that will not give both sides. To give an example of the way Fox News handles a story about the an upcoming vote on health care. The did a Whole hour in a retirement home and only talked to the residents who were all on medicare. By the way that was covered by Jon Stewert.

There is one more thing. If seven percent of the total population agree on one issue by definition that issue is ext ream. There are something like thirty five percent of southerners believe Elvis is still alive and even though that is impressive number the idea is still extreme. That does not mean I want people with ext ream ideas to be ignored either. You never know when an ext ream idea become reality.

Thats why we need people like Jon Stewart so that no matter what we talk about we can do it in a sane manner.
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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:01 AM
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20. the point is
blair said that and stewart just sat there and accepted that it was true
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:13 PM
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23. kick + "Could a Leak Have Stopped 9/11?" by Coleen Rowley and Bagdan Dzakovic (10-17-10 Consortium
News article)

"There were a lot of us in the run-up to Sept. 11 who had seen warning signs that something devastating might be in the planning stages..."
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2010/101710b.html
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