Homophobic study that says gay parents more likely to have gay children...

[cynatnite]

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His study is a meta-analysis of existing work. First, Schumm extrapolated data from 10 books on gay parenting; Cameron, for what it's worth, had only looked at three, and offered no statistical analysis in his paper. Schumm skewed his data so that only self-identified gay and lesbian children would be labeled as such.

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Schumm next went macro, poring over an anthropological study of various cultures' acceptance of homosexuality. He found that when communities welcome gays and lesbians, "89 percent feature higher rates of homosexual behavior."

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Schumm says he guarded against that by seeking out so many different works. And across all his data -- the 10 books he consulted, the anthropological study, the scientific articles -- he noticed how lesbians begat more lesbians. In Schumm's study, he quotes from the extant literature the stories of young women, describing how being gay was never frowned upon in their household, and so that "option" was available to them. That said, Schumm also finds evidence of gay mothers pushing their daughters, upset over a relationship with a man, to "try out women."

Sponsored LinksBut couldn't gay men also tell their sons this? Yes, but Schumm tells AOL News that most gay men have at some point been with a woman, so they understand why their sons might date them. Whereas the literature shows some lesbians "have a hatred of men that's intense," Schumm says.

Schumm says it shouldn't have taken until 2010 to do the meta-analysis. Too often his colleagues impose "liberal or progressive political interpretations" on their studies, which inhibit further inquiry. "It's kind of sad," he tells AOL News.

http://www.aolnews.com/science/article/study-gay-parents-more-likely-to-have-gay-kids/19668089?icid=main%7Chtmlws-main-n%7Cdl1%7Csec3_lnk2%7C178255

[Not Me]

1. Gay parents are more likely to ACCEPT their gay children

is more like it.

[woo me with science]

3. +1 nt

[undeterred]

2. So it would be the end of the human race if not for

assisted reproductive technologies.

:yawn:

[mrcheerful]

4. I am not buying it just more of the gays are a learned behavior crap

sorry but no one learns to be gay anymore then anyone learns to be hetro.

[TexasObserver]

5. Maybe more likely to have gay children who can say they're gay.

Thinking that the gay children of anti gay bigots will identify themselves readily is the flaw.

[donco6]

6. It never says where it's going to be published.

Odd. What journal has vetted it?

[ruggerson]

13. The Donnie McClurkin Gospel and Biomedical Review

[Bluebear]

20. Or, under this administration, maybe the CDC

[mkultra]

7. so in open societies, people dont hide the truth?

kind of an idiot for being a scientist.

[pipi_k]

8. Fucking moron

Schumm next went macro, poring over an anthropological study of various cultures' acceptance of homosexuality. He found that when communities welcome gays and lesbians, "89 percent feature higher rates of homosexual behavior."


When communities welcome gays and lesbians, more of them are likely to ADMIT to being gay/lesbian, and to have gay/lesbian relationships.

As opposed to communities where they're not welcome and they always feel like they have to hide every aspect of themselves.


sigh...

Honestly, don't people like him have better things to do?

[krispos42]

24. So if roving bands of violent homophobes are absent...

...gay people are less likely to hide their sexuality?



Wow. Next thing you know, he'll be reporting that water is wet.

[MrScorpio]

9. Huh? What?

Jeez!

[ruggerson]

10. Looks like he didn't separate genetic children from adopted children

so wouldn't his data be useless?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

11. If homosexuality is not purely a matter of personal choice then this is almost certainly true.

If there is any inborn genetic element to sexual orientation, then children with gay biological parents are almost certainly more likely to be gay than those born to straight ones.

If there is any element of environmental influence in determining sexual orientation then children raised by gay parents are almost certainly more likely to be gay than those raised by straight ones.

[surrealAmerican]

18. Not necessarily.

There is the possibility of prenatal environmental influences which may not be genetic (like the mother's exposure to various foods or chemicals), but could be just as prevalent in straight mothers.

[marmar]

12. Asshole parents are more likely to raise asshole children.....

So Schumm's kids must be real pricks.

[Gormy Cuss]

14. Professor Schumm is full of it.

"Schumm also finds evidence of gay mothers pushing their daughters, upset over a relationship with a man, to "try out women." x(


FWIW, Abbie Goldberg is correct about the limitations of a meta-analysis like Schumm's.

[fasttense]

15. Soooo, then why do heterosexual parents have homosexual children?

I will bet you 99.99% of all homosexuals had heterosexual parents.

This is just plain silly. As if a parent or anyone can convince you that you are attracted to someone you aren't attracted to.

[Smarmie Doofus]

16. Dad! You ole' rascal! nt

[lonestarnot]

17. What a ridiculous waste of fucking money! Even if it cost 2 cents it was too much.

[Catherina]

19. I expect to to see this study quoted here sometime soon. Digusted. Rec'd n/t

[mitchtv]

21. you go girl

:toast:

[Laughing Mirror]

22. "he noticed how lesbians begat more lesbians ..."

and darkness was upon the face of the earth and God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

[JI7]

23. every gay person i know had Hetero Parents, and every Gay parent i know has Hetero kids

i know i'm just speaking from personal experience but it's more proof than this shitty study.

the author is probably one of those who would rather have kids have no parent and even starve to death or abusive hetero parents than parents who care and take care of them but are gay.

[lightningandsnow]

25. This is what happens when we medicalize queerness.

And this is why I don't like these kinds of studies, even when they say what we want them to.

[WestSeattle2]

26. So what's wrong with gay parents having gay kids? Is there

something wrong with straight parents having gay kids? Straight parents having straight kids? Gay parents having straight kids? Kids are kids. Sex is sex. Who cares besides the dimwitted and uninformed?

I really wonder about the characters who devote their lives to trashing human beings based on their sexual orientation. And, no surprise, the ones who do this are utterly and totally ignorant of human sexuality.

[Jamastiene]

27. If so many major medical organizations have conceded

that being gay is not a sickness, then why are there still so many idiotic "studies?" Also, what self respecting gay person would allow themselves to be in any kind of study meant to spread more misinformation about gay people. I call bullshit on this "study" and the asshole who did it.

[Fool Count]

28. Why exactly it is homophobic, may I ask?

Does it not confirm the assertion that homosexuality is not a choice, but it is not just inborn,
but even hereditary? Is it not what gays themselves always said?

[NMMNG]

29. Oh FFS, they're citing Paul Cameron

That right there invalidates anything they say.

Paul Cameron:

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On his curriculum vitae, he describes himself as a "Researcher/Clinician." According to the web site of the Nebraska Department of HHS Regulation and Licensure, his license as a Psychologist has been "inactive" since 1995.

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# On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.5 Cameron has posted an elaborate argument about his expulsion from APA on his website, claiming that he resigned from APA before he was dropped from membership. Like most organizations, however, APA does not allow a member to resign when they are being investigated. And even if Cameron's claims were accepted as true, it would be remarkable that the largest professional organization of psychologists in the United States (and other professional associations, as noted below) went to such lengths to disassociate itself from one individual.

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In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."

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Cameron is an anti-gay charlatan masquerading as a researcher. Nothing he says is legitimate or trustworthy.