DADT will not be overturned in the lame duck session.

[VMI Dem]

With the House likely lost and the Senate likely narrowed, there is no legislative route.

The Obama administration must step aside and let the judicial system take care of what he could not. You fucked up, now get out of the fucking way.

[Turbineguy]

1. DADT

How many Admirals per ship the Navy has. It's the Domino Theory all over again.

[pgodbold]

2. Yup. It doesn't get any plainer. Get the fuck out of the way. nt (rec-ed but still 0 imagine that)

[SidDithers]

3. Bookmarking...

Looking forward to reposting this link sometime in the next 2 years.

Sid

[laughingliberal]

5. 2 years? That's a really long lame duck session. nt

[VMI Dem]

6. Hmm. Maybe he means Obama's lame duck session?

[SidDithers]

7. Yesh, you're right...

Fingers got ahead of my brain again.

Still, hope I get to prove the poster very wrong before the end of the session.

Sid

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Ya know, Sid, if the Congress gets it done, it will be they who

prove the poster wrong. You will have nothing to do with it but sniping at those of us who fucking worked our fingers to the bone on this for endless years. And while you do an endgame dance, we will still be working, for we still will have to fight the bigoted dogmas of religious politicians such as Obama and Kaine to eventually win the basic human rights that you take for granted, Sid. So that day, when you are playing 'told ya so' for that which you did not do, I offer that there would be better uses of your time, as the heterosexual community has much to atone for, and precious little to take in terms of credit.
So you blow off that steam, Sid, we will still be fighting the dogmatic nutters from your community for the right to protect our loved ones like you do.

[VMI Dem]

9. McCain has said he will filibuster any attempt to overturn it in the lame duck.

Its not going to happen.

[NorthCarolina]

28. McCain is old though, and likely to fall asleep

during his filibuster. The Senate should be able to proceed during nap time.

[SidDithers]

21. ...

Sid

[laughingliberal]

4. K & R nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. HE f****d up?

:wtf:

Does everybody remember the Republicans like John McCain preventing an up-or-down vote on it?

:wtf:

[VMI Dem]

11. I remember Democratic Senate aids saying the White House made no last minute calls.

I remember that.

I will also remember who is appealing it now.

Lead or get the fuck out of the way.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

12. So?

The votes for passage were there and it would've passed had it gotten the up-or-down vote it deserved.

Repub obstruction is what ultimately killed it. They're the ones that need lead or get the f**k out of the way.

[VMI Dem]

13. So, how will it pass in the lame duck and why is it being appealed?

And why are some many so-called Democrats applauding said appeal?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

23. I don't know for sure

but the Defense Authorization Bill is going to have be put up for a vote SOMETIME. My guess is that once the election is over, the President and/or Reid will find some way to allow it to come up for a vote- that and the survey will be done soon too- which should eliminate THAT argument against it. Obama seems committed to getting it repealed and he's got support within the military for it and he seems pretty confident that it will happen. :shrug:

As for the appeal of DADT, there are several posts already here about why he might pursue such an appeal. I don't really want to go too much into this since it's already been covered better in other OPs but I can only assume that there is a rational reason for doing so. I don't, however, think he's doing it because he's homophobic and secretly wants DADT to continue. Also, I don't know of any Democrats whom are "applauding" it either but rather that they understand why he might be doing it.

[ruggerson]

24. There really isn't a rational reason

The NY Times is calling for him not to appeal it, so it's not just gay people at DU who wonder what the reasoning is.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

26. What I have heard articulated

is that even if DOJ leaves the ruling as it stands, it could still potentially be appealed by other parties with the appropriate standing, which could throw the status of gay and lesbian service members into limbo once again. If they're told that they can serve openly one day-without the constraints of DADT- and then somebody else, say some extremely homophobic servicemembers funded by right-wing organizations with deep pockets, come along and attempts to appeal the ruling and, worse, obtains a stay on the previous ruling pending their appeal, then what could potentially happen to all of the gay and lesbian service members now serving openly? Would DADT require them all to be summarily discharged as a result of their admission? :shrug: I guess the thinking is that if it goes all the way up the ladder, there will be a final judgment that settles the matter definitively and that the administration is, in a sense, being proactive. However, I don't think that the administration actually expects the court case to move along much further since, hopefully, Obama and the Democrats will find some sort of way of just getting it repealed in Congress, rendering all of these legal arguments/strategies moot. It makes a certain amount of sense to me even though I see where it could seem counter intuitive to other people. It would just be easier IMHO to just get Congress to repeal it. It's amazingly stupid that now- in 2010- some Congressmen and Senators still can't get over themselves and just let gays and lesbians serve openly in our armed forces, particularly when our soldiers have been sharing quarters with soldiers from other countries whom allow their gay and lesbian service members to serve openly for the past eight years without any apparent problems. :banghead:

[Unvanguard]

14. The whole point of the "lame duck session" is that the present majorities will endure.

That is not entirely true in the Senate, because of special elections, but it is true in the House, and the narrowing of the Senate majority might be made up for by fewer procedural wrangles and the absence of the "Wait until the review is completed" excuse.

[Renew Deal]

15. How is it Obama's fault that DADT hasn't made it out of congress?

If they wanted to vote for it, they would.

[VMI Dem]

16. How is giving him absolutely no credit making it his fault? He does nothing.

No executive order. No arm twisting in the Senate. And now he appeals it?

Like I said, get out of the way.

[dsc]

17. It is even worse

We will be down at least one vote in Dec. Both candidates in WV oppose repeal and the winner will take his seat immediately. In IL and CO, where we are behind, the GOP candidate opposes repeal. In NY and DE, where we are admittedly very far ahead, the winner takes the seat immediately. We will be down at least one, and likely 2 or 3 seats in Dec. Even if the Maine Senators decide they really will vote for repeal we will still be short if we lose all three. This is a known fact and we still let this study drag out.

[VMI Dem]

18. McCain has also announce he will filibuster any attempt at repeal in the lame duck.

[dsc]

19. I knew the filibuster was part of the deal

so we will need 60 votes. The only way I see us not needing them is if we are willing to let that bill be filibustered until they blink over the troops not having money.

[VMI Dem]

20. So it won't happen in the lame duck and it certainly won't happen in the new Congress.

Why is he appealing this ruling? Makes one wonder.

[dsc]

22. If we lose the House we are gonners

if we keep the House we might get it in the next Congress.

[neverforget]

25. I hate to disagree with you, but if it didn't happen now with this set

of Democrats and loony Republicans, it's only going to be worse with the next class of increased Republican lunacy in the House and Senate.

I am truly sorry. I think this was our best chance to end this stupid policy but the Democrats and Obama blew it.

[Initech]

27. The next Congress will be the product of the Fux Noise machine, guaranteed.