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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:57 PM
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The Big Enchilada (The real motive behind school "choice")
This is a few years old, but I thought it was quite eyeopening.

http://billtotten.blogspot.com/2007/08/big-enchilada.html


The Big Enchilada

by Jonathan Kozol

Harper's Magazine Notebook (August 2007)

Loyal defenders of our nation's public schools have for decades ardently opposed the concept of "school vouchers" and other privatizing schemes that threaten to dismantle the democratic legacy of public education. In recent years, however, even as privatizing forces have made massive inroads into public schools, many of those who profess to believe in public education have been lulled into a puzzling passivity and silence on this issue. But the voucher movement has not gone away, and the threat it represents to democratic education is more dangerous than ever.

Privatizing advocates tend to employ a familiar set of strategies in their campaign to replace public education, which they deride as "Soviet" or "socialist" in nature, with a market system in which public dollars no longer go to public schools but are distributed directly to parents, who in theory will be free to spend the money at either a public school or a private institution. Recognizing as they do that vouchers have had little appeal to parents in suburban areas, where public schools are highly funded and the kids generally do well, voucher advocates focus instead on winning over parents of poor children in the inner-city schools, whom they promise to deliver from the clutches of a failing "state monopoly".

<snip>

Advocates for vouchers nonetheless insist that any difficulties presented by self-selectivity will cease to be real problems once market mechanisms are in place. One of the most influential of these advocates, a skillful and politically sophisticated propagandist named John Chubb, dismisses any likelihood that parents who are overwhelmed by problems in their private lives may be incapable of making wise decisions - or, more important, that they may find it difficult to act on these decisions. "It is really hard for me to believe", Chubb once told the New York Times, that if vouchers were available to parents of poor children, "those people couldn't decide on what they prefer". He accused critics of voucher schemes of being condescending to the poor, of arguing, in essence, that poor parents are "too stupid" to select the schools they want their children to attend.

But Chubb, who is now a top executive at Edison Schools, one of the largest private education corporations, does not hesitate to contradict himself when speaking to a different kind of audience. One of the disadvantages of public schools, Chubb has said in a more candid statement he coauthored with another voucher advocate, Terry Moe, is that they "must take whoever walks in the door" and "do not have the luxury of being able to select" their students. By comparison, they note in the pages of a right-wing policy review unlikely to be seen by parents of poor children, under a voucher system a "constellation of ... different schools serving different kinds of students differently would probably emerge". And in a book advancing private education markets, Chubb and Moe have made the additional argument that schools "must be free to admit as many or as few students as they want, based on whatever criteria they think relevant - intelligence, interest, motivation, behavior, special needs".

<snip>

Some years ago, a friend who works on Wall Street handed me a stock-market prospectus in which a group of analysts at an investment-banking firm known as Montgomery Securities~described the financial benefits to be derived from privatizing our public schools. "The education industry", according to these analysts, "represents, in our opinion, the final frontier of a number of sectors once under public control" that "have either voluntarily opened" or, they note in pointed terms, have "been forced" to open up to private enterprise. Indeed, they write, "the education industry represents the largest market opportunity" since health-care services were privatized during the 1970s. Referring to private education companies as "EMOs" ("Education Management Organizations"), they note that college education also offers some "attractive investment returns" for corporations, but then come back to what they see as the much greater profits to be gained by moving into public elementary and secondary schools. "The larger developing opportunity is in the K-12 EMO market, led by private elementary school providers", which, they emphasize, "are well positioned to exploit potential political reforms such as school vouchers". From the point of view of private profit, one of these analysts enthusiastically observes, "the K-12 market is the Big Enchilada".





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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:59 PM
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1. I always believed that vouchers = white kids not having to attend school with black kids! n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:06 PM
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6. That's how they started
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 09:59 PM
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2. knr. of course it's about privatization.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:44 PM
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12. Where are Uncle Miltie's Marketeers?
I thought they'd be eager to tell us that this is all a conspiracy theory.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:05 PM
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3. Imagine what a private school that ends up with the problem kids would look like
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:45 PM
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13. You're wrong. A private school would simply disenroll a problem kid.
A problem kid wouldn't even have the benefit of having his behavior reported to the proper authorities so social work services could be called in.............does social work services still exist?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:16 PM
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15. It's not the private schools that get the "problem kids".
It's the public schools who are recipients of the students the charters "counsel out". I don't think of the kids as the problem though. It's the cycle of poverty.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:32 PM
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49. It wouldn't BE.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:05 PM
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4. Bingo.
The education industry", according to these analysts, "represents, in our opinion, the final frontier of a number of sectors once under public control" that "have either voluntarily opened" or, they note in pointed terms, have "been forced" to open up to private enterprise. Indeed, they write, "the education industry represents the largest market opportunity" since health-care services were privatized during the 1970s.
"

How can this NOT repulse any thinking person? What have we become in this nation that we are willing (some of us eager) to sell our kids to the highest bidder? If this doesn't thoroughly disgust you, then you don't have a heart and maybe not a brain either.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:13 PM
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7. I wonder that too.
I keep hoping some of it is ignorance from the propaganda. But the highest level of reformers know exactly what this shit represents. I've seen some copy and paste jobs here recently that looked like they were from a Wall Street prospectus for "education". People who profit from this are lower than low.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:18 PM
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8. The sad thing is...
...that they're gearing up the propaganda now. We're being told that
our schools are horrible, the teachers are horrible and the entire system
is failing--because our entire system of education is the wrong one.

They're in "phase I"--demonizing the current system. Soon, they'll have
the answers. They won't say "privatization" too soon. We'll hear talk of
some good charter schools and vouchers, and then pretty soon--the corporations
will swoop down and provide a "better" alternative to public schools.

It's going to happen. They're convincing us that our system is rotten and they're
also discrediting the experts who know better (current teachers), so people
won't believe them when they try to stop this nonsense.

Schools and teachers are being scapegoated--because some powerful people and
corporations see a ton of money to be made.

Tragic, in my opinion.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:25 PM
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10. You got it
I so appreciate your support on this issue. Thank you.
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 02:23 PM
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80. Major Political Parties
I know they hate to admit it around here, but Republicans and Democrats like Arne Duncan are destroying the public prosperity in this country.
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:05 PM
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5. K & R just on the strength of Jonathan Kozol. n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:25 PM
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9. I found the link via another great article, Tansy
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/10/code-words-euphemisms-and-green-dots-pandering-to-westside-racism/



Let’s be clear, the so called academic apologists for the racism and segregation inherent in charter schools and voucher programs include The Heritage Foundation, The Hoover Institution, The Cato Institute, and other far right think tanks.5 While these extreme right organizations are completely unconcerned with racial egalitarianism or class equality, they try to make a case that markets magically fix society’s systemic problems. These racist Milton Friedman cum Ayn Rand fantasies are adopted wholesale (with slight rewording) by the DLC/DFER crowd and presented as “innovation” and “reform.” No wonder Newt Gingrich and Ann Coulter are on the same side as Ben Austin and Arne Duncan. Let’s also bear in mind the critics of charter schools and vouchers include left luminaries like Donaldo Macedo, Jonathan Kozol, and Henry Giroux. This is why Ben Austin and Gabe Rose’s specious comparisons of those opposing school privatization and vouchers to right wing health care town hall disrupters6 are absurd on their face! Privatization and neoliberalism is the right wing position in the education reform debate, and the charter/voucher crowd represent reactionary ideas like segregation, competition, and union busting with great adeptness.

To those who would claim the motley assortment of business types, lawyers, and political hacks that comprise the pro-privatization camp have good intentions, but just misguided ways of executing them; and claim the reason extreme right forces happen to agree with the DLC/DFER on charters/vouchers is it’s just a manifestation of bipartisan concern for children, it’s reckoning time. Even if the wealthy white males on the leading edge of school privatization were really in it for their concern about society instead the money (exposed in Kozol’s “The Big Enchilada“), then they’d still be exhibiting precisely what Paulo Freire describes as “the false generosity of paternalism.”7



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Panaconda Donating Member (672 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:49 AM
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22. K&R for that n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:45 AM
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27. THe author of that article is being web-stalked by one of the founders of the Green Dot charters.
I'm thinking of a new OP on that, too. It's amazing the depths some of these "Supermen" will plumb.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:26 AM
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30. Please, please do. Kozol's earned his props--that just goes to show that
the pro-private crowd is dealing under the table and then some.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:13 PM
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55. is it the guy who was kicked upstairs after 50K went missing in LA?
got any linkage for that story?

thx
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:25 PM
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57. Bill Grundfest?
I haven't dug into it at all, I got sidetracked. Here's the link to the harassment story: http://dailycensored.com/2010/09/29/billy-the-big-bad-bully-for-corporate-charter-voucher-charlatans/

For an added bonus check the comments where Bill comes back to whack the author again.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:53 PM
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63. don't think so....now you're going to make me work hard! will check.
wait a minute
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:09 PM
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67. here you go: Steve Barr, founder of Green Dot. several links. not much other news
coverage I could find. but there was some $50K missing, for which was never accounted. he suddenly 'left' his own $200K position.

interesting contacts, including Michelle Rhee, Arne Duncan, and lots of funding from that Broad guy billionaire, as well as Bill Gates

usual suspects, yes?

never even heard of the guy til the other day when one of the typical teacher/union bashers started a thread about the evil LA teachers' union

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:d-G0Kly22XUJ:rdsathene.blogspot.com/2009/12/ccsas-jed-wallaces-woeful-corporate.html+Green+Dot+charters+Steve+Barr+missing+money+embezzlement&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

http://rdsathene.blogspot.com/2009/12/sadly-its-not-sayonara-for-silverlake.html

http://www.schoolsmatter.info/2009/10/howd-steve-barr-spend-50866.html

you may quibble with the 'bias' of the site, but see how much other coverage you can find in the M$M

there are undisputable facts in play: the amount of money missing and unaccounted for, and the fact that, all of a sudden, Barr left his job.

what a coincidence, you say?

me, too.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:15 PM
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68. Oh wow, that guy! Frak!
I think he just got appointed last year to the State Board of Education in CA. x( Thank you for the links and hard work, I'll read 'em tonight. Right now I'm going to drown my sorrows in steak.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:24 PM
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70. hope you check this when you get back....a great article by a guy who confronted massa arne:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/07/21


I emailed him and axed him to come to DU and check out the education discussions

you should start a thread on this

maybe I'll send it to madfloridian....
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:44 PM
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71. I'll check it out, looks good!
Send it to madfloridian too, Gabi. The more we all know the better. I'm also working with Hannah Bell on more exposure of the international charter EMOs so I'll be working on that for the next couple of days.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:01 PM
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74. you go! here's something on New York state emo failure, mentioning pataki's role in
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 09:03 PM by Gabi Hayes
foisting this crap (three times over, in this case) on some poor, captive guinea pigs in Albany

http://www.edwize.org/new-covenant-charter-school-the-failure-of-for-profit-management-of-charter-schools

On March 23, the Board of Trustees of the State University of New York brought the long saga of New Covenant Charter School in Albany to an end, voting to close at the end of this school year one of the first charter schools to be opened in New York. This decision was the final act in what SUNY called a “difficult history,” which included two consecutive non-renewal recommendations by SUNY’s Charter School Institute and a 2007 vote by New Covenant’s own trustees to close the school due to financial problems.

Families of students attending New Covenant met the decision with dismay, as the loss of the school will disrupt their lives and their children’s education.

New Covenant is the second of the first three schools chartered in New York to be closed.<1> There are two important lessons to be learned from this experience.
First, over New Covenant’s eleven years of existence, it was managed by three different for profit educational management organizations – Advantage Schools, Edison Schools and Victory Schools – each of which dismally failed, in turn, at having the school meet its performance benchmarks. The students who attended New Covenant and the educators who taught in the school were exploited by these EMOs, which profited as the school floundered academically. Now the students and educators are paying the price for the failures of the EMOs.

It was precisely because of the performance at New Covenant and other charter schools that the UFT included the prohibition of for profit EMOs in the package of reforms to charter school legislation we proposed in January.

Second, the final denouement of New Covenant’s troubled history was long and drawn out because of the posture of the office of then Governor George Pataki, the elected official most responsible for the passage of New York’s charter legislation. New Covenant was a high profile charter school in the state capitol of Albany, and its closure was considered a political liability. Since the SUNY Trustees are gubernatorial appointees, Pataki’s office had political leverage to postpone the final day of reckoning. It was not until the term of a new Democratic governor that the bullet was bit.

The apologies of charter management following the closing decision have studiously avoided these two central lessons.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:02 PM
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75. guess they're still waiting for Superman in Albany. or is it Lex Luthor?
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:13 AM
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34. The
patronizing, condescending false generosity of paternalism! When is our species going to recognize the inherently destructive nature of hierarchy?!
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:32 PM
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11. D'oh... accidentally unrecc'd... missed... oops. Distracted thinking of enchiladas me'thinks...
mmm... enchiladas.
Almost enough to want to do K-12 again...
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:36 AM
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31. I got your back! A kick and a rec to cancel out the unrec
and your right, that enchilada looks excellent....




(rider heads off to work vowing to go get an enchilada for lunch....) :9
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:12 AM
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33. Cheers...
;)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 10:52 PM
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14. Isn't a lip licking vulturer just a sight to behold.
:puke:
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-10 11:55 PM
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16. Barf indeed! n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:07 AM
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17. K&R
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:48 AM
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18. Thank you SM!
:hi:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:05 AM
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19. My pleasure.
Chubb's thinking breeds inequality....which is what he wants.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:35 AM
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20. Makes my eyes sting...
must be the salsa... or maybe it's when I get mad I cry...K&R
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:33 PM
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50. I'm so pissed, I'm in a strange state of calm.
When Blackwater/Xe starts getting into education investing, we'll have come full circle. And the Democrats will have willingly connected the ends.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:42 AM
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21. k&r

Can you imagine how French teachers and students might respond?
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:24 PM
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48. Yes I certainly can
and why teachers aren't is beyond me...more later...
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:08 PM
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52. It's probably illegal for many teachers.
But can they really arrest *all* of us??
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:48 PM
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60. Actually
Freedom of speech still holds true for teachers to some degree. For example, personal stuff on facebook can get you in hot water, but political statements and images are supposed to be safe...hmmm?
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:52 PM
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61. I'm sure that will be next.
A few more house raids and they'll be convinced we need to be kept on leashes.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:54 PM
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64. Better have muzzles too...
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:54 AM
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23. Morning kick nt
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Evasporque Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:55 AM
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24. Blast from the Past right here on DU 2003
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/09/04_school.html

That's me kids.

SNIP

Neoconservative values promote privatization of public services under the assumption that private enterprise can better manage services in an environment of free-enterprise and competition. Riding along with privatization is the promotion of Christian religious morality and ethics through public policy. The Bush administration has made significant efforts to set the stage for the privatization of many public services, including education, through programs like "No Child Left Behind" and the promotion of "school choice vouchers." The result is that public schools will ultimately be reduced to remedial education services by shifting resources to private religious schools and eroding the funding to public schools.

The methodology to which the neoconservatives will achieve the goal is subtle, but the result is extremely harsh. It involves the decline of public school infrastructure through funding cuts and tax freezes. By cutting the funding and freezing taxes at the local and state level (as is being done with property taxes in Wisconsin) neocons are slowly strangling education until privatization is the only option left.

/SNIP
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:25 AM
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26. Thank you for this!
I didn't join up here until 2005 so I missed a lot of great stuff.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-10 07:06 AM
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79. It's time to bring this one back.
It needs it's own thread.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:59 AM
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25. kick n/t
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:11 AM
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28. Thank you RD!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:23 AM
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29. "Education corporations" "Wall Street" "Education industry
represents the largest market opportunity" since health-care services were privatized during the 1970s."

DU--do you get it YET?

No vouchers, no publicly supported charters, keep our schools as the American Founders wanted them. It's that simple.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:45 AM
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32. Thank you blondeatlast!
Your support means a *ton* to me! :hug:
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:31 AM
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35. This begs the question:
Is Obama complicit in the capitulation to corporate predation? Or is he simply operating under a combination of ignorance and arrogance?

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:51 AM
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37. That is the million dollar question.
Obama did say that leaders of other European countries consider him a conservative, and expressed surprise that people here thought he was at all "socialist". Perhaps he was trying to tell us something.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 11:32 AM
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36. hmm....
Our 'Capitalist' nation has routinely underfunded and disrespected public education, a reality that is manifestly apparent when one considers that fully 40% of our adult population is functionally illiterate. Over the past four decades, this nation's teachers have struggled to educate our children in the face of underfunding, bad administrators, overcrowded classrooms, and disintegrating school buildings (this list could go on and on: high-fat, high-calorie food, no physical education, emphasis on varsity sports, no art, no music, etc., ad nauseum). The current relentless assault on public education, with its emphasis on 'bad teachers and 'villainous unions' as the problems du jour, is merely the newest aspect of the ongoing effort by the Corporate Megalomaniacs to subjugate and control the hoi polloi. "Race to the Top," my ass!

Speaking of which, Mr. Obama and Arne Duncan are key participants in this push to 'privatize' public education. Both deserve a deluge of letters addressing their indefensible behavior.

BTW, a quick perusal of the posts commonly seen on DU reveals that far too many adults lack basic spelling, grammar, and comprehension skills. How possibly can we whinge about people who are easily maneuvered into supporting the Corporatists?!?

When this education domino falls, the Corporatocracy will have complete dominion over the hoi polloi. If you disagree, I challenge you to name just one macro-level social construct over which they have no control.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:51 PM
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44. "Race to the Top," my ass!
I'll repeat that! I think we've gone beyond the phase where letters to the White House are going to do much, though. I think it's going to take marching and action. I admire the Chilean teachers who barricade the schools when the leaders try to mess with their students.


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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 12:42 PM
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38. Disgusting! Can anyone explain to me why Democrats from Obama down
have bought into this scheme? trying to destroy the public school system that most of the came up through?:shrug:
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:05 PM
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39. It's about the money, Lebowski!
The ultimate problem with privatizing a formerly-public institution like education is that there will still be public dollars put into the system and you won't believe the amount of kickbacks, skimming, and other forms of outright theft that will come from that. I've already SEEN it happen with NCLB tutoring agencies that operate out of my backyard in Detroit. These fly-by-night "tutoring" groups saddled right up to Detroit Public Schools and starting sucking as much money as they could for as long as they could. It was disgusting. Try this and watch as pissed off parents start CLAMORING for public schools again and this time, let's spread the money around more equally and kiss property-tax-funded school budgets GOODBYE. Let the rich districts cry me a fucking river.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:03 PM
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43. +1000
I've also seen people try to justify the move to private management companies by using the example of the public schools being basically forced to contract with outside services because of NCLB. We knew that was just a wedge to pry open the door to the flood of tax dollars these operators will get their lunch-hooks in.
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callous taoboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:16 PM
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69. Several companies have offered to get my district a toe, with nail polish,
if we'll just believe in the crap they are selling without a shred of evidence that it actually does anything resembling educating kids.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 01:09 PM
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40. That's no big enchilada
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proverbialwisdom Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 02:12 PM
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41. More research here from another well informed blogger.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 02:12 PM by proverbialwisdom
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/17/910960/-Education:-follow-the-money
Education: follow the money
by Laura Clawson
Sun Oct 17, 2010 at 04:59:08 PM PDT
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:00 PM
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42. Thank you pw!
I'll check it out. :yourock:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 03:55 PM
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45. And after they have privatized the schools, water and the air we breathe
will be next. Work the chain gang for the right to a sip of water and a breath of air. That is where we are headed.

It is cannibalism. That is what it is. The corporations are devouring the people, one vital function at a time.

If you look back in your family history, you may actually discover that here were craftsmen -- a blacksmith, a wood carver, a wagon-maker, a candlemaker, a seamstress, a baker ----. They made and sold the products of their labor. Now everything is done by a corporation. Progress? Yes and No.

Each time a trade is eaten by corporations, a little bit of independence and self-reliance is lost. Tell that to a tea-bagger.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 04:50 PM
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46. The real motive behind the whole authoritarian agenda;
Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

What could possibly go wrong?:sarcasm:


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felix_numinous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:16 PM
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47. K + R For free education.
Thank you for an informative thread.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:09 PM
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53. My pleasure, thank you for reading it.
A belated welcome to DU, as well. :hi:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 05:56 PM
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51. I don't get vouchers in any way, shape or form.
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 06:33 PM by barb162
What if 300,000 disadvantaged kids want to go to a stellar public school district that has, oh, two high schools which can handle 5000-6000 students? And those two high schools are already filled with the kids of people living there and paying the very high taxes. Where I happen to live, generally the best performing PUBLIC schools are in very wealthy burbs with residents paying hefty salaries (taxes) to teachers . The poorly performing schools tend to be in poor economic areas where the residents scream if politicians or school districts talk about raising taxes for the schools. Duh already.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:10 PM
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54. I take issue with your post
That looks more like an enchirito than an enchilada.



As an aside, I agree with the insights on for profit education. :D
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:23 PM
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56. I haven't heard the word "enchirito" in years. Do they still have those things?
:D
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 06:29 PM
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58. yes my child
it has been returned to the menu.

i don't know why you didn't notice it in the curriculum because this WILL BE on the test.

must prepare our little ones for the future! :P
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:05 PM
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59. I am totally craving one now.
Ironically, when all the Wall Street boys are done with public education, reading the menus and pressing buttons will be what we are teaching our charges. Maybe there won't even be words.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 07:53 PM
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62. Incremental steps
some words now, only pix later...

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:07 PM
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66. "Have it Your Way"
It's funny, that seems to be the motto of the charter school movement. I wonder if the irony will be lost on them when capitalism reduces all of their "innovation" to a homogeneous franchise like Burger King.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 09:43 PM
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76. I went to a Wawa, the customer doesn't have to speak
Edited on Mon Oct-18-10 09:44 PM by CreekDog
just paw at buttons on a screen that look like food.

you order your sandwich, paw at the different ingredients and condiments.

then you get a number, you pay for it, the sandwich comes out.

now, mind you, this is the most awesome convenience store ever and i wish we had these instead the big gulp/porn palace/lotto centers that we actually have.

but you think we won't need words, well, at this place, we don't need them now. they are quaint, if not inefficient.

but if we could get those self serve milkshake machines, it just might all be worth it. :P

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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:28 PM
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78. This is starting to sound like the end of Wall-E, Creekdog.
You're scaring me. Should we measure you for a chair? :D
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:02 PM
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65. K & R nt
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:55 PM
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72. None of this can happen without Obama's support. Go after him on this. (nt)
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 08:55 PM
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73. absolutely
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-10 10:07 PM
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77. Oh I will (and do).
Some history and groundwork is going to be useful, though. We have been getting accused of tin-foil hat conspiracy spinning and racism for opposing this "new" reform movement. The "new" reform movement is just the "old" reform movement. Wall Street's wolf in Dem Blue instead of Repub Red.
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