If the wingers the really going with this "Obama is the Anti-Christ" crap...

[MrScorpio]

How can one prove something like this? The answer is, of course, that they CAN'T!

Then, what we're left with is pretty much a tacit admission that they REALLY don't have anything valid to hold against him.

So they have to pull things like that out of their asses.

At this stage, it pretty much applies to just about all of the epithets that are hurled his way.

[FSogol]

1. Question: Is being the anti-Christ an impeachable offense?

:shrug:

[MrScorpio]

2. That's the quandary that the wingers have created

They can't use the Bible to impeach him, because that's an unconstitutional violation of the 1st Amendment and they can't use the Constitution to impeach him, because there's no prohibition for anti-christs from being elected president.

It's pretty much a losing battle for them all the way around.

[doc03]

3. To be honest myself and others here on DU were

thinking the same thing about Bush a couple years ago.

[MrScorpio]

4. And that was silly too...

The man's an unindicted war criminal, a shameless liar, an incompetent half-assed nincompoop and a blatant sociopath...


Calling Bush "The Anti-Christ" was an insult to anti-christs.

[YOY]

6. Give the anti-christ some credit.

I'd expect him to have some brains and style.

Bush had none...

[Zen Democrat]

5. I've always thought it was Pat Robertson myself! Or any of those fake preachers.

The ones who are getting rich from poor people who send in their last dollar for a blessing are head of the line anti-Christs. This is truly "taking the name of the Lord in vain."

Anyone who pushes for war and death and destruction in the name of empire and glory is an anti-Christ.

Anyone who denies decent food and healthcare to children, the poor, and the disabled, they're all anti-Christs to me. The BEAST!

Are we sure it's not The Dick Cheney?

[MrScorpio]

7. False prophets, they are...

But it takes a special brand of evil to reach the level of Anti-Christ... Which got me wondering if Dick Cheney has ever recovered from a head wound.

I see where you're going from... But I'd need more proof to be sure.

[Just One Woman]

8. Wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible

I would think more like David or Doug Coe. But yes, I work around some of these people and they really do think these things. I often ask, "But you say he is a muslim"! Isn't the anti-crist supposed to be loved and fooled by everyone?

[MrScorpio]

9. The wingers are very adept at adopting completely contradictory beliefs

They wouldn't be wingers if they did otherwise.

[Just One Woman]

11. Oh how true!

Very authoritarian, and I remind them of that all the time.

[RainDog]

10. We could have a national forum with scholars who could demonstrate the bible is not a literal doc.

but people could and would, of course, choose to believe whatever bullshit they chose. Leprechauns spring from the ass of Dick Cheney too, for instance.

actually, I do wonder if we don't need a national conversation about religion because religious fundies have spent years poisoning the well of Democracy.

but the real reason this bullshit claim is put forth is to pressure Obama to placate the religious right. Reich wingers get to stir up fear in the idiocracy that is the fundamentalist contingent of believers in this nation and by doing so, they want to force him to not speak out about the stupidity.

This is a classic political tactic. It's the same reason Obama gets labeled a socialist - so that the assholes on the right get some cushion from real reform.

Obama has to recognize this for what it is and also recognize that the majority of Americans are not religious right idiots and we deserve a better govt. beyond this fear of offending the theocrats.

[MrScorpio]

12. It's a question that's at the core of American religious freedom

Not only are people free to worship as they will, they're also free to misrepresent the basic tenets of their own religious doctrines as much as they like.

So that's why's we see so many people hammering the religious puzzle until it fits their needs.

[RainDog]

15. Religious freedom does not mean all ideas are equal and must be treated as such

in the privacy of someone's home, yeah, they can believe whatever they wish.

however, in the classroom, in the statehouse - private religious beliefs that are not grounded in reality are not useful for democracy. Our nation was founded on the principles of Enlightenment, on the belief that humans are capable of educating themselves and governing themselves and others - and when this is not the case, there are govt. oversights to deal with a compulsion of one person to claim he or she is more equal than others.

The level of stupidity in this nation based upon religion is staggering and it is interfering with our ability to elect representatives that act for the benefit of this nation.

And so, I would LOVE to see a national conversation by this nation's leading scholars - a public classroom that can set some issues to rest, finally. Like evolution. Or the lie of a literal bible.

To fit the sensibilities of a reality-show nation, we could have debates in a wrestling ring and anytime someone scored a debate point against someone else, a proxy wrestler could body slam the representative for the opponent.

[MrScorpio]

16. There's the sensible approach, which you advocate...

And there's what we're left with from all the wingers that advocate otherwise.

The charlatans know, however, that they have carte blanche to swindle all the rubes as they see fit in this country.

It's always been that way.

[raven42]

13. actually, this could be good news

I grew up in pentecostal/evangelical churches, and according to their bizarre "end-times" theology the anti-christ is going to rule the world. So I guess that means President Obama is a cinch to be reelected. After all, how else will he be able to establish himself as the head of a one-world government? So maybe the right-wingers should just give up and accept the inevitability of his reelection--and stay out of politics.:7

[MrScorpio]

14. I grew of as an Apostolic myself... So, I see the genius of your proposal

Welcome to DU.

Stick around, I like the cut of your jib.

[raven42]

17. thanks scorpio

I've actually been visiting this site since right before the 2006 elections, but didn't bother registering until a couple of weeks ago. One of the best places on the web to find good liberal/progressive discussions on politics.

[MrScorpio]

20. Glad that you made the move to the other side

:hi:

[stopbush]

18. According to the Bible, anyone who denies Jesus is an Anti-Christ.

There is no one person who is THE Anti-Christ in the Bible. There is a big bad false prophet in Revelation, but that's somebody else.

The Antichrist is mentioned only four times in the Bible, and each time he's described the same way:

"Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the Antichrist." (2 John 1: 7)

Yep: The Antichrist is anyone who doesn't believe in Christ. The "anti" is basically being used the same way it's used when we say someone is "anti-war." So anyone who wants to accuse Richard Dawkins of being the Antichrist is actually entirely correct, and what's more, he'll agree with you.


Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_18757_5-things-you-wont-believe-arent-in-bible_p2.html#ixzz12qJIMaOo

[RainDog]

19. so Peter was the anti-christ...

this whole idea is so stupid as to be wortheless.

[MrScorpio]

21. Pssst! Be careful...

The wingers may get some facts mixed up with their peanut butter.

[Vickers]

22. I'd think the Antichrist would at least get a majority vote. n/t