Hola Amigos

[JANdad]

I realize that I am a relative newbie (post count anyways). Been lurking for a couple of years...an anywho...

Given the current state of relations with our spanish speaking brethern(my SO is from PR)I was thinking that maybe a spanish speaking forum might be in order for those of us who are not so adept in the queens english...your thoughts????

[AlCzervik]

1. Recepción a DU, thats una buena sugerencia.

:hi:

[JANdad]

4. Gracias Mi Amor

My wife is always asking me why I am on the website and I try to share posts with her, but being ESL,it is hard for her to grasp sometimes and I think a Spanish forum would be a benefit to those that can be added to our numbers...

[yewberry]

2. I don't think there is a spanish language forum,

but there is a Latino/Hispanic group here.

Good luck and welcome!

[annabanana]

3. Welcome to DU!

It's an interesting proposition. I know there are several bi & multi lingual folks here. (not one of them, unfortunately)

[Botany]

5. Das ist zehr gut mein amigo de me mio!

Ja y oui tambein.

[watrwefitinfor]

8. I love this place.

"Das ist zehr gut mein amigo..."

It is a very good place, too, my friend. :-)

Wat

[Botany]

9. We are a "different bunch"

mucho gusto con todos amigos y amigas muy loco.

Ja o nein?

[IDemo]

12. ¿Alemañol?

[Botany]

45. oui

:rofl:

Ich bein aus de la raza.

poor freepers trying to read this thread.

[IDemo]

58. Prolly wishin' the guldurned fence was finished, dagnabit!

[Kurovski]

94. Remember now, there are some Cuban freepers in this world. (nt)

[EFerrari]

6. Latino Group link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=379

[IDemo]

7. No puedo entender una palabra que digas...

[Cha]

10. Que lastima..

Es muy interesante.

Si Se Puede!

[JANdad]

11. Gracias

I won't even attempt a Spanish reply, but my wife will get a kick out of this thread...thanks all!

[Madspirit]

13. Welcome To DU

I would support that.
Lee

[proud patriot]

14. Hola

Welcome Underground

[TahitiNut]

15. Try this ...

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.democraticunderground.com%2Fdiscuss%2Fduboard.php%3Faz%3Dview_all%26address%3D389x934877&langpair=en%7Ces&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

[JANdad]

LOL...I've tried those before

When the wife and I were dating. She thought it was funny to write to me in Spanish and make me crazy trying to figure out what she was writing. When I tried it, I came up with a chicken and whipped cream...not sure if that was what she meant or not, but it was a fun evening...
:silly:

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Bonjour newbieaux.

:)

[quinnox]

17. no way

This is an english site, we don't need a bunch of foreign languages sub forums.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. No kidding.

Iffin they start gabbin in there pagan tongues, the next thin you'll no we'll be eating chiminichangas and they'll be chasing after our white DU wommin.

[JANdad]

19. LMOA

thanks hooligan:spank:

[EFerrari]

27. LOL!

:rofl:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. To quote a famous former Texan governor...

"If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the children of Texas."

[EFerrari]

33. LOL!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[entanglement]

111. ROFL

:spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl: :spray: :rofl:

[AlCzervik]

20. podemos colocar tan en "no" la columna?

:D

[quinnox]

22. one of the most annoying things

at DU is when people post in a foreign language. Guess what, not everyone knows other languages and we all aren't as sophisticated as all you multiple language speakers.

[AlCzervik]

26. i haven't noticed that happening much.

[EFerrari]

28. When posting in the big forums, I always try to do translations

because it is annoying to be left out that way.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

30. Jealous?

:D

[annabanana]

124. (you just KNOW they're talking about you, right?). . . n/t

[JANdad]

21. Por Que No?

:shrug:

[quinnox]

23. speak english if you want a reply

damn, this isn't a spanish site

[JANdad]

31. So I gather that you support

RW talking points of a national language as well huh?

[quinnox]

41. yes, I do

If you want to be here then learn to speak english. I really don't care if you call that a right wing stance though.

[JANdad]

44. Alrighty then...

let me share a little tale with you my good sir...

As I have stated up thread my wife is Puerto Rican...so naturally she speaks english with a very heavy latin accent. Anyways, while working for the "Shack" as a sales associate (where BTW, she always surpassed quotas and won numerous contests)a complaint was lodged against her by a co-worker concerning her accent. It should also be stated that she inadvertently placed this person (her dotted line boss) in some hot water for not doing his job.

So when promotion time comes around, guess what??? She is told flat out "you are not being promoted because of your accent". Even though she can do the job and do it well, she is passed over for promotion.

Then just the other night (she now works for Kmart) a redneck white trash female bitched at her manager and told her that they need to hire people who can speak english!

So forgive me if I do not buy into your bullshit argument...I have had it with close-minded bigots!
:rant:

[quinnox]

48. well, don't blame me for that

And just cause I support english only rules doesn't mean I'm a bigot, for example John Edwards, Democratic candidate for president does as well, but yea, go ahead, you seem to have it all figured out!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

50. It doesn't?

How is it different from only white rules?

[quinnox]

52. so you think John Edwards is a bigot?

that is his position as well.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

54. I think english only rules are intrinsically bigoted.

I've no idea what Edwards position is on the subject, and it's rather irrelevant.

[JANdad]

53. Yes I will place blame (partly) on those of you

Who can not be the least bit compassionate toward others. And BTW...just b/c Edwards supports one item I do not agree with...well WTF is your point anyway?

It is people like you that come up with this english only crap, that adds fuel to the fire against hard working people like my wife. SO WHAT if we have a spanish language forum here? Don't like it? then don't try to read it...pretty simple huh?

MY God...did it ever occur to you that maybe,just maybe we could begin to swing some of the traditional hispanic vote from the RW to the LW if we could reach them...on their terms?

[quinnox]

57. Let me rephrase that

When I say english only what I mean is that immigrants should have to take english speaking classes as part of their orientation to getting their green card and so on. And it would help them also greatly in the final analysis, don't you agree? In terms of integrating into society and getting a job etc.

But, I understand you are upset about your wife and her non-promotion but I had absolutley nothing to do with that, but hey, you want compassion, you have my sympathy. That was quite wrong because she DID speak english and her accent shouldn't have been a factor in whether she got promoted.

I bring up Edwards because I knew I would be attacked for my position about learning english as a right winger and I had to show it is not only the position of the extreme right.

[JANdad]

62. Thank you for the clarification

And yes I do agree that it makes sense to learn English. However, my wife is fluent in English yet has trouble with dialect, word usage and many of the other quirks and oddities of the English language. When we watch movies together we run the Spanish subtitles so as to not miss meanings. Point is, a Spanish forum could help the Democratic cause more than it could harm...no?

[quinnox]

63. I don't agree

This is one issue I simply don't agree with, I don't feel DU should have a spanish forum. anyway, no hard feelings.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. I myself am against women's rights, veterans, and GLBT forums.

Because I am not a woman, earning veteran status is way to dangerous, and those GLBTs are way too sophisticated for me.

I find people who are different from myself to be confusing and frightening.

[Madspirit]

75. Why?!

Is someone going to force you to go there?
Jeez...you don't want it so no one can have it. Why don't you let people who want it go there and you just not go there?

What a crock.

...CC was an Italian in service to Spain, just btw. 1492 and all...
Lee

[quinnox]

79. Because

then it will lead to other language sub forums because we have to be fair and include French and Italian and what about the Dutch and then DU eventually will be unrecognizable. I think english is good enough and most people in the world today learn it anyway as part of their education. It is the most common language in the world.

[JANdad]

80. OMG...you're kidding right?

Screw the rest of the world...you MUST ALL LEARN ENGLISH

That ranks right up there with "Bring em on" and "Axis of evil" and well you get my point...Si o No?

[quinnox]

84. I'm serious

But I didn't say the rest of the world has to learn english, only those that choose to immigrate here. But most of the other countries in the world do teach english in the elementary school and it is because english has become the language of business for the world. Why do you think so many foreigners speak english, it's because they had to learn it in school because their country wants to be competitive in the world.

[chknltl]

102. You posted the word "serious" , as opposed to "series!!1!1!!1!"

I am so confused here.


(The potential for this snark was killin me...in the end resistance was futile)

Ok on a real note: I have suggested to the DU admin that there is a real need here for an automatic language translator system. The DU can only be enriched by the addition of folks who are not American citizens. The fact that many of these folks do not speak english fluent enough to communicate their thoughts with all here should not be a bar to them. I know you as well as most of my fellow Duers would love the opportunity to go one on one with progressives from Iran or Syria or Iraq for instance. This interchange from outside our little box could do us a lot of good here!

If you use a little imagination and predict the future of blogs and forums, universal translators becomes an easy prediction. It is my hope that the Democratic Underground will be a bit ahead of the curve on this.

My apologies to you quinnox...that bit of snark was immature on my part...but too funny to me to pass on. Your points are well taken but even you must admit they are points most freepers would concur with... I hope you do not think that I believe you to be a freeper. You are my fellow DUer, the fact that you can use spell check proves this!

:pals:

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

81. Oh no! Not a DUTCH group!!!!!!

We're doomed!!!! :rofl:

And we already have a French group. You should have said Swahili. Or Esperanto.

[Marie26]

88. Como no

Holandes en DU? Nunca! Es cierto, ingles es la sola lengua que importa, y nadie en el mundo deberia hablar en cualquier otra. Estoy totalmente de acuerdo. Porque crees que personas en Espana y America Latina insistan en hablar en espanol? Que mal educado!

[Madspirit]

90. So what

So what if we had all those forums. No one is going to make you go to them. I promise. You don't even have to look at them. You know where it says, "Customize Forums"? Go there and customize and you won't even have to see them.

...and actually, to get a forum here, it requires enough people showing an interest, so it isn't a matter of fairness. There would have to be enough French people or Dutch people wanting it... ...but mostly, I PROMISE you, no one will make you go to the forums you don't want to go to.

Jeez...depriving someone else for NO reason at all.

Is someone making you go to forums you don't want to go to? Some terrible space monkeys? You should report it.
Lee

[Book Lover]

97. OK, this has officially become pathetic

Do you honestly think that GD and GD:P will become so overrun with people communicating in Spanish (spilling out over from their forum) that all the English threads will be lost in the shuffle? Sir, I know you don't care, but you have lost my respect.

[alcibiades_mystery]

134. Indeed - quinnox's reactionary and borderline fascist language politics

are a disgrace to this board, and a terrible reflection on all his or her other posts.

He or she can no longer be taken seriously on anything.

[Forkboy]

144. I've been here long enough that I passed that point years ago.

Something to do with Lieberman as I recall.

[some guy]

103. psst

DU has had a French language group / sub-forum since late 2004. :scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=274x1

[TOhioLiberal]

130. OMG!

there's ALREADY a French group! Linky: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=274
I see nothing wrong with a Spanish group. If you don't like it do go there, simple as that.

[High Plains]

136. As one Texas legislator once declaimed:

"If English was good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for the state of Texas."

I think we ought to have mandatory foreign language schooling in America.

[Omphaloskepsis]

99. Don't click on the fucking link...

I don't visit the "Bird Watching" group. And you should look into working on your English. It isn't very good.

And by posting a bitch about someones grammar I will have made tons of mistakes myself. Life is funny like that.

[yewberry]

98. Uh, "immigrants?"

You are aware that PR stands for Puerto Rico, right? That's not really a different country, man.

[mitchtv]

64. English arrived in this part of the country too late

to make any such demands. Sorry, that kind of thing happens when you steal land from a country that speaks a different language than you. The Hispanic culture was already entrenched in the Mexican Cession part of the US, and smallpox blankets just won't do it. The Canadians have learned how to deal with conquest of other language'd people so can we.

[mitchtv]

65. English arrived in this part of the country too late

to make any such demands. Sorry, that kind of thing happens when you steal land from a country that speaks a different language than you. The Hispanic culture was already entrenched in the Mexican Cession part of the US, and smallpox blankets just won't do it. The Canadians have learned how to deal with conquest of other language'd people so can we.

[treestar]

74. Southern or regular?

This country has English as a primary language, with a minor in Spanish. Per the rules of nature. No legislation needed.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

47. Why don't you learn Spanish instead?

Maybe then you'll be more sophisticated.

[quinnox]

49. I tried

I'm not good at learning languages.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

51. Well then it sounds like it's your problem.

I suggest getting over it.

[grace0418]

131. So what if other people have the same problem learning languages? You'd tell them

to fuck off and get out of our country?

You know most educated residents other developed countries learn at least a little bit of a second or third language because it just makes sense. Where do Americans get off thinking the rest of the world has to cater to them by speaking English? Maybe if we actually taught a few languages early on in school here (not the less-than-ideal classes starting in high school, either), within a few decades it wouldn't matter at all because everyone would be able to communicate in a few languages. How is that a bad thing? It makes you more worldly, more open to new experiences, and much more valuable in the workplace. If Europeans, Africans and Asians can do it, we really shouldn't have a problem.

[Madspirit]

68. Hey...this was a Spanish thread

You don't have to post in it. At all. Are you compelled to post where you can't understand?

...and wow, the Republicans want an official language too.
Lee

[grace0418]

133. Does it tell you anything that most people thought you were joking? n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. I'm sorry, were you being serious?

I thought we were both imitating ignorant racist freepers.

Mea culpa.

(That's Latin speak for "I'm sorry")

[JANdad]

38. LOL

:spray:

[grace0418]

132. LOL! I thought the same thing.

Don't worry, I eventually figured out who was kidding and who (sadly) was not.

Pathétique.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

56. But it is a very diverse site.

There's no requirement in the rules that states that English has to be spoken here.

[treestar]

76. In fact, we allow freepish to be spoken here

screwn, casting asparagus, I'm series, this is hugh!!!!!!1111

We are very tolerant of other languages!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

78. We are the "apitame" of diversity!

:rofl:

[Marie26]

25. There already is one

Groupe Francophone - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=274

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. etynology here

Fraco as in French, phile, from philos, friendly to

Friendly to French

Spanich and French are not the same

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. That's true.

Spanich is what Popeye eats.

[Jamastiene]

125. That's epic.

:rofl: Ouch! My side hurts. you rule. :yourock: :rofl:

[Marie26]

40. I realize that

The poster was stating that there shouldn't be any foreign language groups, well, there already is one for French, why not for Spanish?

[Forkboy]

70. At the rate things are changing the only place you're going to feel comfortable is the Arctic.

You should try to beat the traffic and get started now.

[BlooInBloo]

24. ?Como te va?

[nadinbrzezinski]

32. Es una idea fanástica

por cierto pueden ponel el teclädo para escribir en Español

Oh and it is far from queens english my dear Sir, it is not like we are using words such as colour, or harbour around these parts

Lorry and flat comes to mind too

:-)

[EFerrari]

37. Latino/Hispanic Group link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=379

[JANdad]

42. OMG...and I thought I was

edjumacated...

Yea I know we (Americans) butcher English, just an attempt at some levity...

[nadinbrzezinski]

106. Well my order of language knowledge

includes Queens English before American....

So it is not that it is butchered, just a different version.

Don't get me started on Cockney

[Individualist]

39. Bienvenidos!

:toast:

Salud, pesetas y amor, y tiempo para gozar los!

[UTUSN]

43. Welcome home n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. I think we should have a group for Queens English

Having grown up in Queens, I can start us out:

Duhwerebout = Don't worry about it

Usage: "Duhwerebout wuht I do. Werebout wuh you do. Muh'fucker."

Queens Center = Mall
The City = Manhattan
Ma'attah'n = Manhattan
Douchebags = Long Island
Lawnguyland = Douchbags
LIE = Long Island Expressway
Clearview = Speed trap expressway
'Storia = Astoria

Usage: "I gotta run over to Pizza Palace in 'storia tuh pick up a fuckin' yeeeeero extra sauce, son."

The Mutts = The Mets (1989-1999)
Perfume Lake = Body of water abutting Willets Point

[JANdad]

55. LOL

thats great!

[BlooInBloo]

59. Que opportunidad para improbarme in both, guv'nor!

[mitchtv]

60. Bienvenidos, amigo soy de Jackson Heights

we called Manhattan , New Yalk

wore Dungarees and sit on the stoop
one Chinese is a Chinee,
Shea Stadium= Flushing Bowl
Oh, and tobbabout the guy who don't like to hear spanish. I studied it in Newtown and did well, then "married" a Mexam(Chicano)

[Madspirit]

93. "Queen's English"...

:rofl:

[fizzgig]

107. that is the first thing that popped in my mind

:rofl:

[Book Lover]

137. Hello! You forgot "pockabook"

Um, that's all I can think of right now...

[Swamp Rat]

61. Estoy de acuerdo.

Hace mucho tiempo yo he querido un tipo de forum adónde podemos hablar el español. Necesito practicarlo porque yo viví en Brasil e agora é dificil falar fora de português. :)

No se importa los pajieras perjudicados. Son caras de pinga... pinche pitos de pitufo. :D

[Mind_your_head]

67. Only if you agree to teach us "spanish as a second language"

We need to understand each other....no matter what language we speak.

on edit: my high-school spanish is only "takin' me so far" on this thread. But it always true, that there is "insider language" that the 'cool kids' use, that dissassociates the 'outsider'. I'm not gonna give up my 'insider rights' just to be pushed aside by the wannabe 'new insiders'. Are you gonna 'include me'? Are we all gonna live together in koobyeya????

[JANdad]

69. Why should I do that

When SO MANY organizations offer free spanish classes? Or were you trying to make a point?

but anyway...here ya go! Learn away: http://www.multilingualcenter.com/free_spanish_lessons_02.htm

[AlCzervik]

72. my daughter takes Spanish, she has it an hour a day and what a difference it

makes, she's always speaking it around the house and then giggling at me because i have no idea what the hell she said. I'm attempting to learn Mandarin chinese right now, it would be easier if i was about 30 years younger i think but i'm still determined to learn enough to have a conversation, a short one.

[Mind_your_head]

73. I didn't know about this......

and, yes, I was trying to make a point.

When I lived in HK I made a serious attempt to learn Chinese (Cantonese)....b/c that's where I lived. I didn't expect everyone to know English (even though it had been a British colony for ALMOST 100 years ;-).

When you don't know the language of where you live, you're at a most distinct DISADVANTAGE. And the "laws of the jungle" suggest that the smartest/most agile members will learn to adapt ~ LEARN is the opperative word. The rest, well....they prolly might not do so well.

[JANdad]

85. I too lived in another country

Turkey and tried to learn Turkish (marhaba nasilsin), but even being the ignorant American, the Turks always treated me with respect and kindness...can't say so much for 'merkins.

[JANdad]

71. Not sure what your edit is getting at

But as I stated up thread...if you do not like the idea a Spanish lanuage forum...don't use it...

Not a hard issue to grasp is it?

[Botany]

77. Let it go ....

If you get on a thread that starts "Hola Amigos" and
complain about espanol being in the thread then the problem
might be with you. Kinda of like going to a football game
and complaining that everybody was watching people play
football there and not discussing the electoral college.

Thanx for starting this thread ... it was fun.

[JANdad]

83. You want me to let go

Of something I started and am passionate about? I am not the one complaining about spanish, on the contrary, the lack thereof...

But thanks for the advise...:shrug:

[Name removed]

82. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Forkboy]

86. ...

:popcorn:

[nadinbrzezinski]

105. Pass some will ya

racism is just great, ain't it

:popcorn:

[JANdad]

87. WOW

I will type real slow for you...

Hispanics vote conservative (against their own best interests I might add)

Perhaps if we reach out to them in their native tounge...we can bring them to our side...get it?

And btw...while you have been sleeping...those Hispanics are quickly becoming a majority...or did you miss when Britt Hume said white folks need to have more babies...

on edit: What exactly is "my own country"?

[Mind_your_head]

89. I dunno know...."what is your country"?

Hispanics vote conservative (against their own best interests I might add)

I KNOW that. I don't understand 'WHY'? Can you shed some light on this? (Remember, I 'don't speak spanish and don't understand when you have your disucssions......)

[EFerrari]

92. Then you both "know" misinformation. Rove tried to claim

the Hispanic vote and it was bullshit.

What are you two arguing about, exactly? Are you guys buying into the last Republic wedge? It sounds like it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

135. Hispanics vote conservative?

Well, some of them do.

The other 70% vote Democrat.

Which is a much larger proportion than white people vote.

[EFerrari]

91. Actually, that's wrong. We vote with Democrats. n/t

[Omphaloskepsis]

101. Why do you assume that people don't want to learn english?

I lived in Southern California for a long time and I can assure you learning English was at the top of the list of things to do for immigrants.

Your family should have learned English before they came here.

[WilliamPitt]

95. ...psssst...

Best. GD. Thread. Ever.

:toast:

[tavalon]

141. This one is a good one but

I thought the meta thread from last week was the best. Though, I can see this one getting high marks because it isn't meant to be parody and yet......................

[bridgit]

96. hola, great idea & welcome to du, Hola Amigos...

:toast:

[janx]

100. Here in New Mexico,

we have our own language. For instance, my friend named her cat Huero ("wa-ro), which means "fair haired anglo guy," roughly. She named him that because he's a white cat.

It's not a derogatory term. And to my knowledge, it's New Mexican as opposed to Mexican or Spanish.

Language is specific in the U.S. now. I LOVE IT!

P.S. How do you guys add the marks above the letters?

[Swamp Rat]

108. It can be used as a derogatory word.

"Güero" is often used as a derogatory word for light-skinned people (European and/or American) in México D.F., the capital, but it is also used by my friends and family in New Mexico, near the boarder. It can also be just a salutation. Por ejemplo:

"¿Qué onda güero?" = "What's up, white boy?"

[janx]

112. Peut etre, mais...

in New Mexico, we Anglos don't consider it insulting (and I am "huera"), because Latinos/Latinas often use it affectionately. My daughter's friend, here in my house now, is from a very old New Mexican family. We laugh about the whole thing, and she has explained it to me.

[Swamp Rat]

113. Oui, je sais cher

Yo hablo Spanglish con mis cousins too, in Otero County. :D

Meanwhile, I grew up in da bayou wit Thibodeaux and Boudreaux. :)

[janx]

114. Frangspanglish!

And don't forget William Faulkner. I actually had an ancestor of his in one of the classes I taught last semester. The guy's name was James Faulkner, related to William Faulkner and also to William Morse! It was great.

[Swamp Rat]

115. LOL!

Ich spreche sehr schlect Deutsch und o português, então eu sou MUITO confundido!!! :crazy:

I can ahardly speeel Ingrish animoore. :D

[janx]

116. I'm laughing so hard that I had to get up and get

a kleenex!

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

118. SERIES!!1

I need the friggin' spell checker now more than ever... it is my amigo. :D

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. Well at least it is "better" than gabacho

:-)

[Swamp Rat]

119. ¡Por supuesto!

... pinche huevón gabacho. :D

[Moochy]

138. Naamaste Gora!

Now that you know what your Indian co-worker is saying when he or she says "Naamaste Gora!"
That's very similar to "¿Qué onda güero?" :)

[Swamp Rat]

139. Namasté!

Ap kaise haiñ? :hi:

[Moochy]

140. Thika!

Achaah.. Thika . Achaaa..
Haa~ Ji ( हाँ जी)

You can get through many meetings in Modern American IT setting with just those two key phrases!
नमस्ते

And finally, K&R I support a forum for Democracia Clandestino! :+

[rucky]

109. Orale, cabron!

:hi:

[chknltl]

104. Welcome to the DU edwardsguy

I have enjoyed your provocative thread here. It brings to mind a suggestion I made to the DU Admin last year: Look into a "Universal Translator" system for the DU. If one uses a little imagination and predicts what the future of blogs and forums will look like, it is not a great leap to predict that "Universal Translators" will be a common automatic function available to all users.

I know for a fact that the DU would be enriched by the thoughts of online Iraqi citizens as well as Iranians and Syrians and etc. right now! I have no problem with your notions of a Spanish speaking forum here...actually I welcome it and encourage others like it. I suspect that the DU will someday (soon I hope), have that Universal Translator I have predicted, NOT because we are bowing to pressure to conform but because we have chosen to expand our horizons.

I hope you are as enriched by the Democratic Underground as I have been. May your tail-feathers remain un-scorched! :pals:

[dEMOK]

110. Bad idea for clever Latinos...

I agree that Americans are generally uneducated where it comes to other languages (government failure); but how can you expect your thoughts to be understood & appreciated if you don't speak American (not the queen's) English?

Personally, I love discovering other cultures through travel, language (and food!); but America needs its immigrants to do exactly what they would expect if an American wants to assimilate into their country -- learn & use the native language.

If an American does not show enough respect to learn the language of the country he/she wants to live in -- it's just as arrogant for a non-American to refuse to learn how to express him/herself in American English.

[JANdad]

121. Let me try to explain it this way:

If you have ever spent any real time with a person who's native language is anything other than English, then you would be aware that the English language is probably the hardest of all to learn and comprehend. Why do you think they use translators at the UN? That is so meaning and content are delivered accurately. Nuance is also very important. So if we have enlighted Latinos on this board who can reach out to others in Spanish to relay the message we are trying to get across, what harm is done?

I am in no way suggesting that we turn DU into a Spanish website. I am simply asking that we embrace a group that has been shit upon for far too long in this country. With the exception of the African American community, which other ethnic group can you think of that has been so disenfranchised? Right here in this very thread we have people who are unwilling to lend a hand to their fellow man to assist them in making this country better for all!

My wife is raising our children to be bi-lingual and I thank the powers that be for that! Because whether you like it or not, the Spanish language will continue to grow within this country...I suggest you get used to that!

[matcom]

122. I'm 100% with you edwardsguy

my wife and I travel to Mexico every year and LOVE IT. we plunked down $300+ on Rosetta Stone software to get fluent (now if we can just find the time)

anyway there are some on this thread that astound me. English only will get them nowhere in life. why NOT learn other languages.

and fwiw I would love to see a group for EACH language!

:applause: to you.

let me apologize for the bigots here

[JANdad]

123. Thanks!

I have been wife my wife for almost six years now...and I thought that Spanish would be pretty easy to learn (btw I have also tried the software route as well) by simply being with her...yea right!

I can usually understand what she is talking about when she speaks with her Friends and family. When we visit PR, her family has a ball with me; talking to me is Spanish.

It saddens me that some people just don't seem to get it. It is almost a childlike tantrum it seems. "If you don't speak English, then I am taking my toys and going home"

My wife depends on me to explain current events to her and sadly bases her political thoughts solely on what I say and do, rather than exploring and learning for herself. It is not simply a matter of laziness, but rather a lack of a group to educate and enlighten her on current issues and how those issues can affect the Latino community. Univision is her choice for news, but they are so topical in their coverage, because they report on ALL spanish speaking countries and do not have the time to delve deeply into American politics.

I think that if a Spanish forum were to be created, I could entice her into joining DU and getting more involved...IMHO

[Connonym]

126. Another benefit

is that it would be helpful to any English-speaking DUer who wanted to improve their comprehension in Spanish. No better way to learn than through immersion. Both my sisters augment their learning by watching Univision and they've both become more fluent in Spanish as a result.

[matcom]

129. why don't you officially propose one?

you need 10 DUers to agree. the rules for asking for a new group should be on the main page somewhere. you need a mission statement for the group which you put in a new thread in GD.

i'll certainly join up!

[dEMOK]

142. You were doing fine until you became arrogant...

I know more español than anyone I know. I love and revere Latino culture (I have Medeteranian roots); but you give your people a black eye when you say (refering to the growth of español in America), "...I suggest you get used to that."

Please get off your high horse & debate like an adult.

[Swamp Rat]

145. ¡jajajajaja!

¿Entonces, porque estás aquí quejando asi si te gusta la cultura latina? No tiene razón. :shrug:

Claro, probalmente vas estar enojado porque estoy hablando español contigo, pero tu me mandaste hablar el inglés cuándo yo no estaba hablando contigo. ¿Te recuerda?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=935464&mesg_id=937045

[Skittles]

120. VOY A PATEARTE EN EL RABO

yes INDEED :7

[Jamastiene]

127. Sounds like a good idea to me.

Personally, I would like to see language forums for as many different languages as possible. I would love to know how to say, "Bush is a fucking moron." in Japanese, Spanish, Chinese, Italian, French, German, and as many other languages as possible. You just never know when I might get to travel and it might come in handy to know that phrase. :evilgrin:

Oh, and :hi: and welcome to DU. :pals:

[dEMOK]

143. Everyone in the World Knows that Bush is a Fucking Moron...

...but I understand the need for Americans abroad to be able to express in native languages that we REJECT the arrogance of our government.

[blondeatlast]

128. Esto es wl mejor hilo jamas. And I completely agree, edwardsguy.

Welcome to DU.

[Seabiscuit]

146. Welcome to DU, edwardsguy!

And happy to see so many people responding to you in Spanish, amigo!