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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:23 AM
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VOA: No enormous consequences since DADT was halted
...Meanwhile, the United States is witnessing, and the U.S. military is experiencing, the de facto halt of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law.

For years, defenders of the policy predicted chaos and dissension in the armed forces if gay discharges were halted. A Pentagon spokesman said Monday that no disciplinary problems or mass-resignations have been reported since last week's judicial injunction.

Public-opinion polls show roughly three-fourths of Americans support allowing gays to serve openly in the military.

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/usa/Judicial-Battle-Continues-Over-Repeal-of-Openly-Gay-Military-Service-Ban-105281723.html
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:35 AM
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1. As if there was any doubt.
Good that you brought this issue back up. Let's hope this one doesn't get de-railed.

:hug:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:43 AM
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2. Only if certain elements also have a tic over Voice Of America
:)
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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:43 AM
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3. so when should we expect a DOJ spokesman to apologize for their fear-mongering stay request?
When should we expect a White House spokesman to condemn the following vile words?

The precipitous changes to military policy required by the Court's injunction would result in a host of significant and immediate harms to the recognized public interest in ensuring that the Nation has strong and effective military operations


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/reports_doj_will_ask_for_stay_of_dadt_injunction_p.php
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:49 AM
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5. Since the Obama administration already compared marriage equality to incest, don't hold yer breath
...But the real PR disaster for the administration is how can they explain away the virulent anti-gay defense it is presenting. Among the highlights offered by the "most pro-gay administration" in history (please read all of John's post for the citations, I'm drawing the thumbnail sketch here of the horror):
* Obama invoked incest and people marrying children.

* The Obama admin argues that the incest and child rape cases therefore make DOMA constitutional

* DOMA is good because it saves the federal government money

* DOMA is constitutional (!!!).

"DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles." This is important because it means that Obama wasn't content to simply argue, based on technicalities, that this case should be thrown out. He went out of his way to argue that DOMA is actually constitutional, and then went into detail destroying every single constitutional argument we have for opposing DOMA in court. This will screw us on every lawsuit we file on every gay issue, in every public policy debate we have in the states on any gay issue.

* Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states

* The defense, by default, argues against Loving v. Virginia. For the child of an interracial marriage and a Constitutional scholar, this is beyond belief.

Loving v. Virginia is not to the contrary. There the Supreme Court rejected a contention that the assertedly "equal application" of a statute prohibiting interracial marriage immunized the statute from strict scrutiny. 388 U.S. 1, 8, 87 S.Ct. 1817, 18 L.Ed.2d 1010 (1967). The Court had little difficulty concluding that the statute, which applied only to "interracial marriages involving white persons," was "designed to maintain White Supremacy" and therefore unconstitutional. Id. at 11. No comparable purpose is present here, however, for DOMA does not seek in any way to advance the "supremacy" of men over women, or of women over men. Thus DOMA cannot be "traced to a . . . purpose" to discriminate against either men or women. Personnel Adm'r v. Feeney, 442 U.S. 256, 272, 99 S. Ct. 2282, 60 L.Ed.2d 870 (1979). In upholding the traditional definition of marriage, numerous courts have expressly rejected an alleged analogy to Loving.

* Gays don't deserve same scrutiny in court that other minorities receive

* Provides legal argument against gays' right to privacy

* DOMA is rational and reasonable for our society

There's plenty more but this one stings -- it parrots the playbook of the religious right: DOMA doesn't discriminate against gays - all they have to do to get the benefits is get married... to someone of the opposite sex.


http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/11427/the-obama-admin-defends-doma-in-a-brief-comparing-marriage-equality-to-incest
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 01:55 PM
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8. Infuriating! "* DOMA is rational and reasonable for our society." Yeah? So was slavery.
Bottom line, I have long thought is right here:

<* DOMA is good because it saves the federal government money>

Can't have a whole new crop of spouses for whom the government would have to provide benefits. Note how this would, also, affect employers. So, it's 'bidness friendly,' too.
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FreeState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 02:44 AM
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4. K&R
This is crucial too - to get a stay from the 9th they must show harm...
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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 03:17 AM
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6. Let's just hope the 9th Circuit shows the same commitment to civil rights as Judge Phillips n/t
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Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 01:08 PM
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7. K&R
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 01:59 PM
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9. The longer the injunction stands, the harder it will be for them to make a case
Hoping for the 9th circuit to do the right thing and uphold Phillips' ruling.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-10 08:11 PM
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10. Golly, maybe our military is more professional than they thought.
And wouldn't that be a good thing?
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