Florida can't avoid having a Tea Bag senator.

[Cyrano]

The Republican in the Florida senate race is Marco Rubio, a teabagger, who has a wide lead.

The Democrat is Kendrick Meek and the Independent is Charlie Crist.

Crist is running second and Meek is running a poor third.

Basically, we're screwed. Meek and Crist will split the sane vote leaving us with a new insane senator named Rubio.

It seems that the lunatics are beating us at every turn. Surrender isn't an option. But neither is winning. There just doesn't seem to be any way to beat the morons in this country who have bought into the tons of crap being fed to them every day.

I'm disgusted, disgruntled, disillusioned and dismayed. Maybe I need to go ease out in the Keys for a while.

[Ineeda]

1. I voted for Meek today.

I struggled with "do I vote my principles or for the candidate who has a better chance." I voted my principles.

[Dappleganger]

2. As will I.

:hi:

[davidinalameda]

7. maybe Senator Rubio will send you a thank you note

[Dappleganger]

35. Why are you attacking democrats who choose to vote for a democrat.

I am proudly voting for Kendrick Meek and will at least be able to keep MY self-respect.

[RockaFowler]

36. I'm with you Dappleganger

I'm voting for Meek - not just because he's the ONLY Democrat in this race, but because he's the best man for the job. The other 2 liars can sulk all day in their tea-bags.

[Vickers]

37. Good question. I have asked that any person who advocates voting

for a non-Dem over the Dem candidate to have an immediate 3-day suspension, and a lifetime ban for the second offense.

[davidinalameda]

57. hope that "self-respect" keeps you going while Rubio and his ilk run this country

further into the ground

[Dappleganger]

58. Rubio is going to win

so you may as well vote for the democrat.

I dare you to vote for the dem...if you have the balls for it, that is.

Yes, self-respect gives me a long-sighted view of democracy in this state and this country; as opposed to the short-sighted view.

[Codeine]

56. Damn. we're condemning people who vote Dem now?

Tough crowd.

[JCMach1]

3. It is going to be extremely close... Rubio is dropping as Crist and Meek

have gone negative on his ass.

[RZM]

4. 2 candidates against Rubio means it's all but over

If one had dropped out, perhaps he wouldn't get in. But it's going to be really tough for Crist to get a plurality. I agree this is the bag for the Republicans. At least it's not a flip though . . .

[Turbineguy]

5. Let's just hope that all those

who voted for Rubio don't get what they voted for.

[Ozymanithrax]

6. It couldn't work out better if Charlie Crist and republicans planned it. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Crist Wanted To Lose The Nomination And Election?

I wonder how the OP is going to feel when we have a Tea Bag president. If he's like me he will feel like shit.

[Ozymanithrax]

11. I never trusted Charlie Crist...

And my motto has been the worst possible Democrat is better than the best possible republican. Liberals and moderates in Florida could blow the doors of Rubio's Washington express. But Crist cast himself as an Independent, ran to the left of Rubio, made a few right moves as Governor, and carries enough support to put Rubio over the top.

People who will vote for Meek are not going to vote for Christ or Rubio. Those in the center that move this way or that depending on the election were convinced to stay in the center.

If Republicans had planned for a race that would guarantee a Republican win, they could not have done it better. I'm not saying they did. But the result is going to be the same. I understand GQ already has Rubio as one of the power players in Washington.

This is something to watch for in the future. Run a moderate Republican as an independent, to soak up the centrists votes may very well be the another way of ensuring a Republican win in a lot of states.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. I Have Lived In Florida Since 1970

I went to Florida public schools, Florida universities, and received a graduate degree in political science from a Florida university and worked on several statewide campaigns. I would defer to you , as you are a Californian, when it comes to Florida politics. When Barbara Boxer is fighting for her political life in solidly blue California how can one expect a Democrat to win in purple/leans red Florida

Meek was the sacrificial lamb in this race because prominent Florida Democrats assumed Crist was a shoo in which he was until he was Tea Bagged.

The die is cast. Crist or Rubio would have handily beat Meek in this environment.

Florida has always been a tough nut for Democrats. That's why only three Democrats have won senate seats or governors races in the past thirty years and two of them were both senator and governor.

Now to Rubio. He's Jeb Bush's protege and is being groomed for much larger things.

[DonCoquixote]

74. DING DING DING

And I will bet hard cash that they do EXACTLY THAT in 2012!

[EC]

9. I don't know,

Crist's performance last night at the debate should have convinced ANY dem that thought about voting for him - to not vote for him - his answers were strictly repug...even calling HCR, Obamacare...that should be a hint as to who he will caucus with...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Why Would He Caucus With The Party That Rejected Him And The Party That's In The Minority?

He's trying to get as many indy votes and soft Republicant and soft Democratic votes as possible because he knows hardcore Dems and Reps will vote for their party's nominees.

The Republicans will put Rubio on the ticket in 016 or 020 to divide the Hispanic vote without which Democrats can not win. They don't even have to get a majority of Hispanic votes. They just need to approach the 35% -40% thresh hold Bush* reached in his first election. Our demographic advantage on which our future hopes are based on will be in tatters.


What a mess.

[RockaFowler]

29. CharLIE Crist showed his true colors last night

He is a Repuke. And anyone who thinks voting for him is a good idea, well then thanks for not supporting real Democrats. I mean this is after all Democratic Underground and not CharLIE Crist Underground. He got into this race to take votes from Meek so Rubio would win. End of discussion. He had no qualms allowing Rubio to pull his schtick for years in Tallahassee. Now, I'm Independent. He's a Repuke. He was here at the station a few weeks ago and I found him even more slippery than before. He's a slimeball.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. I Thought He Got In The Race So He Can Win Himself

If that's not the case why did the Republicans who donated to him sue to get his money back?

I'm not advocating for Crist. I am just stating the obvious. That we will rue the day Rubio won.

[Dappleganger]

45. Sweetheart, you're advocating for Crist all over this thread.

[Name removed]

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[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Maybe For The Same Reason FDR Cast His Lot With "Uncle Joe" Stalin To Stop Hitler

Not comparing the Latin Tea Bagger to Hitler but sometimes the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Look on the bright side. Rubio might be the first president to be born in Florida.




:sarcasm:

[Vickers]

16. I simply LOVE your defeatist attitude!

:hug::grouphug::pals::hug::grouphug::pals::hug::grouphug::pals::hug::grouphug::pals::hug::grouphug::pals::hug::grouphug::pals:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. You convinced me

I'll put my money where my mouth is. If Meek wins I will donate $100.00 to DU. If Rubio wins you donate $100.00 to DU.

DEAL

[Vickers]

21. I'll donate $100 to DU if you don't post a single defeatist thing between now and election day.

Deal!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Did Stalin's Burying His Head In The Sand Prevent A German Invasion?

He had ample warning to prevent it or at least prepare for it but he didn't.

Rubio is dangeous. If pointing that out offends you I respectfully request you put me on ignore.

[Vickers]

23. If I had put you on Ignore, I wouldn't have seen this defeatist post!

:crazy:

Saved myself a hundred bucks!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Must Be Nice To Live In A Parallel Universe Where Cliches And Emoticons

Must be nice to live in a parallel universe where cliches and emoticons substitute for actual thought.

Here's a link to pollster.com that shows Meek losing by twenty two points with the election less than two weeks away :

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/15/10-fl-sen-ge-rvmvc_n_727351.html

Maybe that $100.00 would be better spent on a comfortable pair of shoes or sneakers for you to wear as you canvass the state for Meek. With your enthusiasm you should be able to close the gap.

[Vickers]

25. You should change your name to NonSequiturSinceBirth.

:crazy:

Thanks for jumping to conclusions though!

:):-);-);-):D}(:P:9:*:+:7B-)O8):evilgrin::hippie::party:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

26. Your Logic Is Flawed But I Think You Already Have Been Told That Before

I merely reviewed the available data and formed some opinions on it. For that you called me a defeatist and doubled up on the emoticons.

[Vickers]

27. Thanks for the constructive criticism.

I will give it the attention it deserves.

Personally I don't believe that you voted for Meek, but hey, call me a cynic!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I Will Give The Assault On My Veracity The Attention It Deserves

~

[Vickers]

30. Bwahaha!!!!

O wait....you actually thought you *had* some veracity.

Sorry!

:blush:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Keep Up The Ad Hominem Attacks

They always reveal more about the attacker.


We can keep bumping this thread until kingdom come because contrary to your incorrect appraisal of me there is absolutely no quit in me.

Your turn.


on edit- Please continue your use of emoticons, bold print, and cliches. They almost camouflage the paucity of thought. See, you got me doing it. As Friedrich Nietzsche said, "Battle not with monsters lest you become one."

[Vickers]

34. Keep bumping this defeatist thread with a net total of (wait for it!!!)

ZERO RECs!!!!!

Okey dokey!

I'm only too pleased to show people what a defeatist attitude gets you...NOTHING.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

38. Your Problem Is With The OP

I don't even know what a "defeatist attitude" in this context means.

Am I supposed to pretend that Kendrick Meek can win. I like the Miami Dolphins. I have been a fan of their since Joe Auer ran the first one back. Am I a defeatist if I don't believe they are going to win a Super Bowl this year or just stating the obvious?

[Vickers]

39. My problem is with any defeatist.

And the Dolphins SUCK.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. If You Think Defeatism And Realism Are Synonymous

If you think defeatism and realism are synonymous there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

And I will give your remarks about the Dolphins the credence they deserve,

[Vickers]

42. If you think cloaking your defeatist attitude with realist terms changes anything materially,

you deserve the Dolphins.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. It's As Simple As This

In a scant two weeks one of us is going to look like Nostradamus and one of us is going to look like Nostradumbass and all your obscurantist tactics won't change that fact.

[Vickers]

44. Are you advocating voting for Crist?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

46. If The Doctor Tells A Patient He Or She Has Cancer Is He Advocating That He Or She Has Cancer?

Your grasp on reality becomes more tenuous with each post. It's close to time for an intervention.

[Vickers]

47. Just answer the question: is it your opinion that Florida Dems should vote for Crist?

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. If You Did A Search You Will See I Have Been Consistently Saying The Die Is Cast

All the available data suggests a Rubio victory is inevitable and therefore Democrats should vote their conscience as "strategic voting" is futile. Unlike some of the Pollyannas on this site I am horrified of the consequences. Jeb Bush didn't groom Marco Rubio for this very day for nothing.

[Dappleganger]

49. So you believe that democrats who choose to vote for the D

are pollyannas???

Give me a fucking BREAK. You really need to change your USERNAME as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. I Swear On My Mother's Grave I Have Never Voted For A Republican In My Life

Can you make that claim?

I am in a pissed off fucking mood.I'm not in the mood to defend myself from character attacks. I had to sell all the furniture in my home to buy food and put gas in a seventeen year old car a friend lent me that I am driving because I had to sell my car to raise cash. You really should think about who you choose to verbally abuse or not abuse on the internet. Oh, I have to give my home back to the bank on November 30. If it wasn't for the kindness, sratch that, the largesse of friends I would be fucking homeless. I literally have nothing to lose which is a kind of freedom.

As to the Pollyanna remark. That was aimed at those on this thread who said a Rubio victory is no big deal as he will be revealed as the lightweight he is. They said the same thing about George Bush* and Ronald Reagan.

I could give a rip. Nobody is going to give me my car back, my home back, my life back.

[Dappleganger]

54. YOU think I'm verbally abusing you?

You know if you are in such a pissed off mood and going off on everyone, why don't you take a break from the internet and calm down.

And YES, I can make the claim of never ever voting for a republican.

Look, if you're not the only person on this forum who's in dire straights, but they don't go off on everyone else for voting FOR democrats.

Peace out.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

59. I Didn't Go Off On Anybody On Voting For A Democrat

I pointed out the folly of underestimating your opposition.

As for dire straights $400.00 separates me from begging to friends or begging to strangers on 1-4 and Amelia Street. I will go for the former.

[Dappleganger]

60. Is this you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9353873&mesg_id=9354899

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. What Does That Have To Do With Anything?

Yeah, I am confident in saying the guy with a twenty six point lead is going to win:


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/10/20/topstate7.pdf


Just as if the doc told me I had metastatic cancer that had spread to my brain, liver, and lungs I'd be pretty confident I was going to die.

The poster said I was a defeatist . That implies he thought Meek could win and I was a defeatist for stating the obvious. It could have been a billion dollars because he would have never taken it.

Keep trying to make me into the bad guy.

[Dappleganger]

63. Unbelievable.

That's what.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

65. What's Unbelievable

That I don't believe a candidate that's down twenty six points with two weeks to go can't win and thinking that makes me a realist and not a defeatist.

I don't expect an apology from either of you when I am vindicated in two weeks.

Keep trying to make me the bad guy.

[Dappleganger]

70. Why would I (a democrat) ever apologize for voting for the Democratic candidate?

You've dug yourself into a hole of your own convoluted reasoning.

[Vickers]

50. In your personal opinion, do you feel Florida Dems should vote for Crist

in order to keep Rubio out?

Simple question...not sure why you won't answer.

:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. No, Because As I Said Ad Infinitum And Ad Nauseum The Die Is Cast

What part of that don't you understand?

[Dappleganger]

55. The die isn't cast until the votes are cast.

And it's not voting day yet and you're still advocating for voting for Crist.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

61. I Never Advocated Voting For Crist

And if you think Kendrick Meek or any candidate can close a twenty six percentage point gap in two weeks there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

Go bother the guy in #53 who actually advocates voting for Crist.

[Dappleganger]

64. So this means you only vote for winners?

Do you know that Crist is going to lose too? I would much rather vote for the Democrat who may lose than the republicon who is also going to lose.

But hey, if that helps you sleep at night knock yourself out--just don't call yourself a real democrat!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

66. I Wish You Would Stop Putting Words In My Mouth

I never said you should vote for winners.


The cake is baked. Crist and Meek are both going to lose.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

-John Adams

[Dappleganger]

67. Surely

you are a genius in your own mind.

Quote John Adams all you like, I'd bet it he was here he would say that one should vote with their principles.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. I Have Always Been Civil To You But You Contine To Verbally Assault Me

"Quote John Adams all you like, I'd bet it he was here he would say that one should vote with their principles."

I have been saying that ad nausuem and ad infinitum but you choose to ignore it. Why?

[Dappleganger]

69. Then please

that's TWICE you've accused me of verbally "assaulting" you. If that is the case then hit the mod alert button.

It's not my fault that you're not able to handle the truth.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Don't Need Anybody To Protect Me On The Net Or In Real Life

What truth. Every strawman you erected I have knocked down. As I said I have been civil to you. You have been anything but civil to me. It's a shame you lack the capacity for sober self reflection to see it. It's really sad.

[Dappleganger]

72. Then stop screaming "verbal assault" when there is none.

I think we should just ignore one another, as it's clear there is no middle ground.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. Well

If you don't think "telling me I'm a genius in my own mind" is not a verbal assault there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion.

And I only hit alert on posts that are homophobic, anti-semitic, bigoted, racist et cetera but saying a fellow poster is a "
genius in his own mind" is a violation of Democratic Underground rules, ergo:


"Do not post personal attacks or engage in name-calling against other individual members of this discussion board. Even very mild personal attacks are forbidden."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[Vickers]

75. So, "the die is cast" is NOT defeatist?

:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[BeFree]

15. +100

All our problems are solved by voting for the damned stinking republican Crist?

&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Meek is about as fine a liberal progressive as we can get.
And when Meek beats Crist in the election, we will finally be done with Crist.

Getting rid of Crist is a huge bonus.

And the damned silly Rubio will be, if elected, shown to be a fool to even the most foolish of pig-headed idiots that we are forced to share the air with.

Rubio will do like Palin and resign in a few short years. And that will be two republicans down and out.

Vote Meek. Be proud of liberals and vote for liberals.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I Think That's What Edmund G. Brown Said About His B Actor Opponent In 1966

"And the damned silly Rubio will be, if elected, shown to be a fool to even the most foolish of pig-headed idiots that we are forced to share the air with."


That worked out well for us, didn't it?

[BeFree]

19. Take your damned...

...'Vote for Crist' crap to Georgia, ok? Even better, New York.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. I Am Just Offering My Opinion. I Voted For Meek In Early Voting

DemocratSinceBirth
Florida Resident Before The Mouse

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Crist is a Tea Bagger! He promted Palin, you know.

Last night: "I think that Obamacare was off the charts, was wrong. It taxed too much, has mandates that are probably unconstitutional and it's not the way to go.And it was rammed through."

Florida needs to learn how to play the long game and eventually have elections like other states do, without 'special circumstances' in each and every cylce.

[RockaFowler]

32. Still love you Blue

:hug:

You have been spot on with your critique of CharLIE Crist from the get-go. It's funny 4 years ago we all were fighting to keep that liar out of the Governor's Mansion. Now all of a sudden he's so wonderful. Nope - not buying it.

[Colonel Bat Guano]

53. Stopping Rubio is job one

I've lived in Florida long enough to cast many, many votes for opponents of Charlie Crist. Like, every time he's run for statewide office (I remember when he was "Chaingang Charlie").

But I may have to actually vote for Crist this time, if on election day he's the best and only chance to stop Rubio. Rubio is going to make Paula Hawkins (see, told you I've lived here a while) look like Barbara Boxer.

And like many here have stated, Rubio becoming a US Senator is a perfect staging area for him to run for President. 2016 for sure, maybe even 2012. For sure he would wind up being a top VP candidate in 2012.

I know full well what baggage Crist has, and I like Meek, but if on election day, it looks like the only way to stop Rubio is to vote for Crist, I'm voting for Crist.

Rubio is charismatic, handsome, has a great life story, will draw Hispanic votes in a national race (the ones that Republicans have been shedding for the last ten years), and is batshit crazy. As a President, he'll make W look center left.

I hate it, and I've delayed sending in my early voting ballot...but my vote will have to go to whoever has a shot at blocking Rubio. Right now that's Crist. I hope somehow it changes in the next two weeks, but I don't see how Meek can make it up. Really want to be wrong about that.