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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:35 PM Original message |
It is complete and utter BS to say "Obama HAS to appeal DADT decision". |
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HopeHoops (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. This one completely defies logic. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
2. Does this Judge's ruling go beyond the Federal District that he is a part of? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Directly it applies to one district however there is nothing to prevent |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. Did you look at the actual 'defense' of this case by the DOJ? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. Correct and agreed. n/t |
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soleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
5. I heard an argument on TRMS that seemed to make some sense to me |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. It wasn't Turley |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Turley also supported impeaching Clinton--take his legal acumen with a grain of salt. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. I couldn't care less about that. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's fierce advocacy. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:51 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Fierce advocacy doesn't have to be blind. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Let's be honest: It's political CYA. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. +1 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. +! |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
26. .... |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
67. Loved that pic. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
7. Recommend |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. Maybe he just wants credit for repealing DADT? (nt) |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. I hope that isn't the case. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Only Congress can repeal, not him. n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. Other courts have not found DADT to be unconstitutional. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. True enough. Imagine the defense a Republican administration would put on |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. The DOJ is only obligated to defend Constitutional laws. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
18. People are letting their emotions work on them |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Some people just can't accept that Obama can do wrong. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. "People" understand very well that Obama is unnecessarily appealing |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
21. Deleted message |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. He was full of it then and he continued to be full of it every time you post this. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. lol! I'll take a Democratic Solicitor General's word over an anonymous blogger's any day. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Faith based reasoning. And, btw, I post under my own name. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Yes, I have faith in Walter Dellinger's knowledge of constitutional law more than yours. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Exactly. You're arguing his authority and not his reasoning. Thank you. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. No, I trust Dellinger's knowledge of constitutional law more than yours or anyone else's at DU. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. What about the word of the Clinton attorney general who failed to appeal Dorman amendment? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:37 AM Response to Reply #29 |
75. Who said anybody had to convince you? |
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Bodhi BloodWave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:46 AM Response to Reply #25 |
74. You are aware that Obama OPPOSED prop 8 yes? |
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Touchdown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 01:39 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. You are aware that doesn't mean shit, yes? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:25 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. BS. In 1996 the Clinton administration CHOSE not to appeal a law barring HIV+ soldiers. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Seems to be ignoring, along with others, that the injunction doesn't prevent repeal of the law... |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So what? You're ignoring, once again, Dellinger's point. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Dellinger is as entitled to his opinion as I am to ignore it. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. That "delicate dance" business is repulsive. |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I think they wore out '11th dimensional chess.' And, being a 'gay' issue makes 'dance' appropo. nt |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Tell it to the Republicans in Congress. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. The Republicans in Congress aren't the moving party. Take some responsibility. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. What does that mean? Then why did the DADT repeal vote in the Senate fail? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The Republicans in Congress are not filing this appeal. Obama is. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. The WH has probably decided this is going to the Supreme Court if Congress won't repeal it. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Exactly. Reckless. n/t |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. lol! No, it's absolutely the best thing to do. Either Congress or the SCOTUS has the final word. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. But Obama said he wanted to end DADT, not get the final word. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. I'm not interested in playing semantic games with you. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It's not a semantic game. Getting the final word is not the same |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. lol! |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. That's what I thought. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. But according to Obama, he is interested not in the final word |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Obama is also interested in cap and trade. That does not mean he is going to enact it by fiat. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:38 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Oh, baloney. After this point. Barack Obama can no longer claim |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. After this point, Barack Obama can no longer claim he is for cap in trade. Because the course of |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Congress has nothing to do with this appeal. Fail. n/t |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. In general, you are saying all that matters is the outcome. Not the legality of how the outcome is |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. +1000 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 05:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Wrong. BARACK OBAMA said he wanted a good outcome. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. "Wanting a good outcome" implies "wanting a legal outcome." This is not difficult to understand. n/t |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
24. K & R nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
42. It's appalling |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
44. When you're right you're right. K/R. nt |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
51. The problem is that there is circuit court precedent upholding DADT that is directly on point. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
52. True if you don't want an appellate level opinion |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. But I thought the outcome is what mattered to Obama. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I don't time to do an exhaustive search but when the issue first broke |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. One person. He found one person. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 07:24 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I never thought I would see the day where doing something the legal way is merely "agreeing with |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
53. Your citation does not mean what you think it means. |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-20-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
72. There seems precedent for the DOJ not appealing and |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 12:57 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Thank you for this information, suffragette |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:31 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Thanks. I found the part about them letting the court handle conflicting decisions |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 01:34 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. That is an excellent point. Someone in my thread made |
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suffragette (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 02:44 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Clearly different standards |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-21-10 12:02 AM Response to Original message |
73. Like those you criticize, you oversimplify a bit. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-22-10 04:51 AM Response to Original message |
81. I was told that the DADT issue is about separation of powers. |
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