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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:09 AM
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Banker was shot in head
Results of 2nd autopsy shock his family
By CHRISTINA HALL
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER

It was the family's autopsy that found what the investigators' could not -- evidence that banker David Widlak was shot in the back of the head and a bullet.
The findings sent Macomb County divers Wednesday to again search the murky waters of Lake St. Clair where Widlak's decomposed body was found Sunday.

There they found his missing .38-caliber handgun.

Oakland County Medical Examiner Dr. L.J. Dragovic used a sophisticated X-ray in the independent autopsy not used Monday by Macomb County Medical Examiner Dr. Daniel Spitz, whose autopsy found no blunt force trauma.

Macomb County Sheriff Mark Hackel said investigators continue to treat the case as a homicide -- as they have since the 62-year-old Grosse Pointe Farms man disappeared Sept. 19. But suicide has not been ruled out.

No one is in custody or charged in the death.

"We are shocked at this latest turn of events," a Widlak family statement read. "We are now looking to law enforcement officials to conduct a complete and thorough investigation."
http://www.freep.com/article/20101021/NEWS05/10210533/1318/Banker-was-shot-in-head
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 06:41 AM
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1. I wonder if this is because of the foreclosures, etc.? Makes me wonder if
we won't see more stories like this because of all the economic turmoil.

I think someone needs to be punished, for sure, but probably not the low-level type bankers you see in your neighborhood. I'm guessing the real evil is at levels way way up there.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:15 AM
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4. Punished and "shot in the head" are two different things.
No matter who we're talking about.
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LiberalLoner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:12 PM
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16. Oh, of course, that goes without saying! It's wrong to shoot anyone. I was just saying
I understood the impulse to want to punish the bankers who crashed our economy. Of course, being a liberal, my idea of punishment is due process of law and a decision by the courts. I would never condone that kind of vigilante justice! There is great danger in that sort of thing, to all of society.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:10 AM
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2. "Shot in the back of the head"? How could this be a suicide?
That seems to be physically impossible.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:13 AM
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3. There was a coroner's inquest in TX once
That ruled a case of suicide when the guy was found shot 3 times in the back of the head with a bolt action rifle. If you piss off the wrong people it could be called suicide.
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jpljr77 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:19 AM
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5. That's crazy. I wonder how much the insurance company paid for that "ruling" n/t
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:21 AM
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6. It was quite a few years ago. Insurance had nothing to do with it.
If I remember right it was local politics in the old days.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:23 AM
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7. I just want to say the old rules don't apply
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:25 AM by ScreamingMeemie
anymore. While there are clauses (typically 2 years), insurance policies do pay out. Thank you.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:37 AM
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8. I Don't Think Insurance PayS Off For A Suicide
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 07:38 AM by ProfessorGAC
So, i doubt that has anything to do with it. IIRC, they won't pay on a suicide to prevent someone taking out a huge policy on themselves when they plan to do themselves in, but still leave their family solvent. Think it's been that way for a long time.
GAC
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:40 AM
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9. Not true. While there is a suicide clause, it is typically two years.
I have been there. The policies were paid. Thank you.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:46 AM
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10. Really?
Did not know that. I know my LI policy won't pay on suicide.
GAC
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 07:57 AM
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11. Really. Most life insurance policies will now pay on suicide after 24 months.
Those that don't typically end up in court.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:38 AM
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12. Perhaps Different Companies Have Different Procedures
I actually haven't looked at mine in a few years. Maybe it changed, but it used to be quite explicit that it did not pay for death by suicide. Of course, it would have to be very obvious to be suicide so an M.E. would be declaring such unequivocally. Then there'd be no chance of litigation. Any reasonable doubt about cause of death would likely bring forth a lawsuit.
GAC
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:43 AM
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13. I've done a lot of research on this subject.
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 08:44 AM by ScreamingMeemie
Three suicides in my family, one in a neighbors...all policies paid. While it used to be the norm to not pay out on suicide, litigation by long term policy holders has changed a lot. The only negating factor after two years is, typically, a disclosed mental health condition.

http://www.helium.com/items/124946-life-insurance-policies-providing-coverage-for-suicide


Edited to add that I hope you never have real reason to find out. Take care.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:44 AM
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14. Ah. Sorry To Hear About Those Experiences
Kind of traumatic, i must say. Well, i'm not worried about my policy because i'm not considering any such action, so i go, my wife is taken care of. It will be either medical or AD&D. Either way, she's good.
GAC
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 08:54 AM
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15. Yes, my husband wasn't either.
I am only grateful that we had life insurance.
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