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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:45 AM
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Gallup Scandal. Urged to STOP Polling Immediately
Gallup Scandal. Urged to STOP Polling Immediately
by pronin2
Wed Oct 20, 2010 at 10:14:37 PM PDT

Poll guru Simon Rosenberg at NDN has been hammering away at MSM misconceptions of the 2010 midterms. Today he wrote up a piece challenging Gallup to change its model because he argues its impossible and its hard to oppose the facts presented.

Gallup claims it revised its screen etc under critiques of its projection of how massively conservative the electorate they project will be Nov 2. Rosenberg says its revision makes matters worse and renders Gallup polling not credible. How? Well..

..Several weeks ago the Gallup polling organization revised its measure of the "Congressional Generic" poll with a new set of assumptions about what the make up and partisan vote of the 2010 elections might look like. It is our opinion at NDN that the model Gallup came up with is so statistically flawed that Gallup should revise the model and its results or take it down from its website immediately.

According to a new report by Professor Alan Abramowitz, the new Gallup likely voter model has the non-white, non-black vote at 13 percent of the 2010 electorate, and coming in at 52% Republican and 42% Democratic. Simply stated these projections are not a possible statistical outcome in the 2010 elections, and draw into question the integrity of the entire Gallup 2010 elections polling project.


Latinos and Asian Americans went 2 to 1 dem in 08. Polling shows this year the GOP will do worse with these folks.

The non-white, non-black portion of the American electorate went more than 2:1 Democratic in 2008 and 2006. Hispanics who make up the largest portion of this slice of the electorate, voted 70% to 30% for the Democrats in 2006, and 67% to 31% for President Obama over John McCain in 2008... The gap between the most respected Latino poll in the nation - Pew - and this recent Gallup model is 50% percentage points.

Much of the remaining portion of this non-white, non-black slice of the American electorate is Asian. This community actually voted more Democratic in 2008 than Hispanics.


Given the distribution of the Hispanic population in the United States, a movement of the kind Gallup reports with Hispanic voters would be evident in some of the states with large Hispanic populations. But there is no evidence of such a big GOP shift...

MORE AT: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/10/21/912204/-Gallup-Scandal.-Urged-to-STOP-Polling-Immediately.-
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:49 AM
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1. Fascinating. Thanks for posting and the link. Rec n/t
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:51 AM
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2. they're going to steal this election
the massive narrative groundwork that Pugs are way ahead is the cover.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 11:53 AM
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3. 18181
Watch for it...
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MikeMc Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:35 PM
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8. Anyone with voting problems may be helped by doing the following:
Call 1 866 OUR VOTE, and 1 866 MY VOTE 1. And file a complaint with the League of Women Voters site, Vote411.org. Notify all 3 groups. This procedure helped my mom vote in New Mexico, in 2008.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 12:12 PM
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4. Wow - K&R
:thumbsup:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 12:15 PM
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5. Hope they go after the rest of those polls!
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:38 PM
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9. Agree!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 01:40 PM
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6. My "faith" in our justice system
dwindles daily. UGH. Imagine how many people have died for crimes they did not commit?
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 01:44 PM
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7. Calling Nate Silver!
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county worker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 02:44 PM
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10. So did the U.S. Chamber of Commerce buy the pollsters too?
Edited on Thu Oct-21-10 02:44 PM by county worker
It seems the polls are trying to determine a ginned up outcome rather than sampling opinions. When I studied statistics I learned that what was true about the sample was true about whole if the sample was selected randomly, with in a percentage of error depending on the sample size.

It seems the pollsters are trying to chose the sample to fit a predetermined outcome.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:06 PM
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11. interesting, thanks.
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-10 03:15 PM
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12. Rec #25... I have a REALLY BAD FEELING ABOUT THIS ELECTION...

...kinda like I had before 2004. I hope I am wrong, but......

Even worse, our election integrity movement has been split, spit (upon), and people are not paying attention.

WAKE UP AND KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN, FOLKS.

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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 12:16 AM
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13. The GOP Pre-election "advantage" is hype: "MSM Likely Voter Polls Preparing the Cover for GOP Fraud"


Just get out the Dem vote, and the GOP Election Fraud machine will be beaten back. It's now been exposed, the first to do so being Richard Charnin, known widely online as TruthIsAll.

Here's his 10/15 analysis of the SCAM that the GOP attempts to pull during pre-election:

10/15 MSM Likely Voter Polls Preparing the Cover for GOP Fraud

10/22 Update coming soon. Stay Tuned.

Fox, CNN, AP, ABC, CBS, NBC hyping the GOP advantage are complicit with "Likely Voter"-pollsters in the GOP fraud. Theses are the same media corporations that continue to SUPPRESS the 2008 national and state exit polls that would confirm Obama's TRUE margin of victory -- and REAL mandate -- was over 22 million votes.

Do you really think it wise to trust anything coming out of their radical-GOP-diseased, propaganda-media brains?

Susan Eisenhower and 344,000 others de-registered from the "hijacked" GOP. Eisenhower supported Obama.

Charnin's nailed the Pre-election Polling Scam with his models. Have a look.

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 05:15 AM
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14. Polls reflect
the desired outcomes of the pollsters.
Here's a poll question: If you saw the surveillance video of Carly Fiorina shop lifting would that effect your vote in the upcoming election?
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-10 09:32 PM
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15. LOL!
:rofl:
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